Matthew 26:63-64 "..ye shall be seeing the Son of Man coming on clouds of heaven..."

I have a question about these scripture passages.
Jesus exclaims to the High Priest and others there that he would see Jesus coming on the clouds of the heaven.
Discuss

Matt 26:
63 Yet Jesus was silent.
And the high priest answering said to Him, “I am putting under oath<1844> Thee according of the living God that to us Thou may be saying if Thou are being the Christ, the Son of the God.”
64 “Jesus is saying to him "Thou say”.
“Moreover I AM saying to ye, from present ye shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting out of the rights of the Power and coming upon the clouds of the heaven.
65 Then the High Priest rents his garments saying that, “He blasphemes!What still need we are having of witnesses? Look! now ye hear the blasphemy of Him.
66 What to ye is seeming?” Yet answering they said “He is deserving of death".

Mark 14:
61 But Jesus was silent and not answers nothing.
Again the high priest questioned Him and is saying to Him, “Thou are being the Christ, the Son of the God, the Blessed One?”
62 Yet Jesus said “I AM"
“and ye shall be seeing the Son of Man sitting out of the rights of the Power and coming with the clouds of the heaven.”
63 The yet High Priest rent his clothes saying “What further need still we are having of witnesses?
64 Behold! now ye hear the blasphemy.
What to ye is appearing? the yet they all condemn Him liable to be of death

Luke 21:27 of the 70AD Temple/Jerusalem discourse referring to the same event?

Luke 21:27
And then they shall see the Son of Man, coming in a cloud, with power and much glory;

Why did the Jews have to ask who the Son of Man was?

John 12:34
The people answered Him, “We have heard from the law that the Christ remains forever; and how can You say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up'?
Who is this Son of Man?”

Revelation mentions plural clouds in only 1 verse of Revelation

Revelation 1:7
Behold! He doth come with the clouds, and see Him shall every eye, even those who did pierce Him,
and wail because of Him shall all the Tribes of the land. Yes! Amen!
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BABerean2 said:

Did the following happen during 70 AD ?
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Don't know......I wasn't there
Josephus was however........
JOSEPHUS, OLIVET DISCOURSE AND BOOK OF REVELATION
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According to CF, I can view the 1st 19 Chapters of Revelation as fulfilled on 1st century Jerusalem as "a parousia" of Jesus and still be considered an orthodox Preterist......

Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.
The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.
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Josephus and The Preterist Archive of Realized Eschatology
are must reads for any serious Partial Preterist/Amill.....

The Second Coming of Christ Study Archive @ PreteristArchive.com - The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterism



The "Second Coming" of Jesus
Associated with the End of Jerusalem in A.D.70, the End of Life, or the End of the World

THE SECOND COMING OF JESUS: PHYSICAL OR SPIRITUAL?
End of Jerusalem in A.D.70 | End of the Individual at Death | End of the World's History

"the Fall of Jerusalem was, in the fullest sense, the Second Advent of the Son of Man which was primarily contemplated by the earliest voices of prophecy" - F.W. Farrar, Chaplain to Queen Victoria, 1871-1876, Archdeacon of Westminster, Dean of Canterbury

• Christ's Second Coming and Unfulfilled Prophecies - Historicist.com "A significant error, and the Scriptural responses to that error, are found below. Some Preterists believe that although Christ did come at Pentecost (33 AD) and 70 AD, He will make a final appearance at the end of the world (age)"

SIEGE OF JERUSALEM - 1380-1390

All that remains, after this central moment in the text, is to "cleanse" the Temple and the old Jewish cultus once and for all: that is, the Temple must be destroyed. This destruction, too, was viewed as a fulfillment of Christ's prophecy.
As Christ had said that Jerusalem's enemies would "not leave in thee a stone upon a stone" (Luke 19:44; 21:6), so will Jerusalem's conquerors utterly destroy the Temple. In taking over command of the army from his father,127 Titus swears an oath to do just this; Vespasian replies (lines 1015-20):

P.S. Desprez (1854)
"The Lord came, as he said, to destroy Jerusalem, and to close the dispensation." (Preface, p. vi).

"NO scriptural statement is capable of more decided proof than that the coming of Christ is the destruction of Jerusalem, and the close of the Jewish dispensation." (p.9)

“To us individually, as to the Church in all subsequent ages, the coming of the Lord is an event yet future. To us individually he has not yet come; His coming will be to us “the hour of death and the day of judgment.” We then, equally with the disciples, may use the prayer, “Thy kingdom come,” for we may pray for the full and glorious consummation of that kingdom, the first advent of which was the object of their supplications. We, too, may pray “that at His second coming to judge the world, we may be found an acceptable people in His sight,” for we, equally with them, must meet a Savior Judge, before whose bar a strict account must be rendered. This divine book, like the rest of Scripture, contains “manna for all hearts and for all times,” and its lessons of warning and encouragement are not only applicable to those who were pronounced blessed if they should hear and read the words of this prophecy, but to hearers and readers of all lands and of all ages.
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70AD Brought in the New World Order
70AD Brought in the New World Order

Stephen Douglas "As long as the Old Covenant was kicking, as long as the Temple was standing and the Jewish cultus was active, the old system was functioning mockingly alongside the New Covenant built upon the shed blood of Christ; that’s what AD 70 was about - filling up the new wineskins and effectively bursting the old wineskins with the new wine.
The “New World Order” of Christianity was the direct result of the fulfillment and abolition of the Old one."
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The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted

History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived

Commentary from another orthodox partial preterist view:

Introduction to Preterism

A Brief Introduction to Preterism
Past Fulfillment

The term Preterist comes from the Latin praeter, which means past. A preterite verb is a past-tense verb. Thus, when discussing the topic of eschatology, Preterism is the viewpoint that all eschatological prophecies—including the Second Coming, the General Resurrection, and the Judgment—have been fulfilled in the past.

Competing Views

One of several driving forces for the Preterist interpretation is the many timing passages which, at face value, limit the expectations for these events to the first-century generation.
On the other hand, the driving force for most of Christianity is its understanding of the nature of how these events are to be fulfilled.
An over-simplification of this can be illustrated from the following passages:

Cloud Comings

Closely associated with apocalyptic language is the concept of “coming in the clouds.”
We are all familiar with the fact that Jesus’ Second Coming is to be with clouds:

Behold, He is coming with clouds . . . . (Rev 1:7 NKJV)

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. (1 Thess 4:17 NKJV)

And the high priest answered and said to Him, "I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!" Jesus said to him, "It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven." (Matt 26:63-64 NKJV)

Recalling the principle of audience relevance described above, we must ascertain how first-century readers would have understood this cloud-coming language.
Furthermore, when we consider that the New Testament was written largely by Jewish authors to a predominately Jewish audience, we realize that we must seek to understand how cloud-coming language was used and understood by the Jews.

Upon examining the Old Testament, which was the basis of Jewish culture, we find that the concept of God coming on the clouds is part of their religious language and often used to describe God coming in judgment of His enemies or deliverance of His people:

The burden against Egypt. Behold, the Lord rides on a swift cloud, And will come into Egypt; The idols of Egypt will totter at His presence, And the heart of Egypt will melt in its midst. (Isa 19:1 NKJV)
For the day of the Lord is coming, For it is at hand: A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, Like the morning clouds spread over the mountains. (Joel 2:1-2 NKJV)

The great day of the Lord is near; It is near and hastens quickly. The noise of the day of the Lord is bitter; There the mighty men shall cry out. That day is a day of wrath, A day of trouble and distress, A day of devastation and desolation, A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness . . . . (Zeph 1:14-15 NKJV)

Even though there were literal judgments and/or deliverances occurring in these passages, they were described figuratively using cloud-coming language—God Himself was never seen on the clouds or on the earth.
If this is the pattern established in the Old Testament, and Jesus said that He would come in judgment just as He had seen the Father come in judgment, and Jesus described His Second Coming using cloud-coming language, why should we expect to see Jesus physically and bodily in the clouds at His coming? The Father was not seen when He came in judgment.

End of the World

One may object that, while God’s Old Testament cloud comings were described in apocalyptic language, the end of the world was never predicted along with those judgments.
Christ’s return, on the other hand, is to occur at the end of world; therefore, there is a significant difference between the Old Testament descriptions of God coming on the clouds and Christ’s Second Coming on the clouds. Unfortunately, this concept of the “end of the world” is due largely to a poor translation in the 1611 King James Version of the Bible.
Modern versions have corrected this phrase to read more accurately “the end of the age.” Thus, it was not the end of world that was expected to accompany Christ’s return, but the end of the age—the end of the Old Covenant age. Note the difference between the KJV and NKJV translations of Matthew 24:3: .................

Conclusion

When all of the above is taken into consideration, the logic of Preterism begins to come into focus. The promised return of Christ was taught and expected within the timeframe of the first-century generation. It was foretold in the same type of language used in the Old Testament to foretell divine judgments against rebellious nations. While this language spoke of astronomical signs and God coming on the clouds, there is no evidence of any astronomical phenomena or of God ever being seen with the physical eye.
The Second Coming of Christ is described in identical language, and we see a strong similarity between the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 and the judgments rendered upon the Old Testament nations. As promised, this judgment—and thus Christ’s Second Coming—took place forty years after Jesus foretold it—within that generation.

For those who feel that Preterism is “redefining” the nature of Christ’s Second Coming, keep in mind that if you believe His return is still future, you are redefining all of the timing passages describing the first-century nearness of His return.

Furthermore, Preterism would claim that it is not redefining the scriptural depiction of Christ’s Second Coming, but rather redefining the Church’s traditional interpretation of the Second Coming.

LittleLambofJesus said:

Commentary from another orthodox partial preterist view:
Introduction to Preterism
The term Preterist comes from the Latin praeter, which means past.
A preterite verb is a past-tense verb. Thus, when discussing the topic of eschatology, Preterism is the viewpoint that all eschatological prophecies—including the Second Coming, the General Resurrection, and the Judgment—have been fulfilled in the past.
Competing Views

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BABerean2 said:

Is this a definition of Full-Preterism?

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CF defines Full Preterism to include ALL of Revelation fulfilled...........including the final Resurrection of all the dead and White Throne Judgement..........

CF's definition of PP:

Statement of Purpose - Eschatology Forum Statement of Purpose

Partial Preterism: Partial preterism holds that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrists, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70 or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.
The Second coming and the resurrection of the dead, however, have not yet occurred in the partial preterist system.
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Definition of FP:

Additional Rules

• Full preterism is not allowed.
• Date setting or date speculation is not allowed.
• No Personal Prophecy (prophetic utterance) allowed.

Full preterism
Full preterism differs from partial preterism in that full preterists believe that the destruction of Jerusalem fulfilled all eschatological or "end times" events, including the resurrection of the dead and Jesus' Second Coming, or Parousia, and the Final Judgment.[40][page needed] Other names of full preterism include:

• preterism (because the term itself means "past")
• consistent preterism
• true preterism
• hyper-preterism (a pejorative term used by opponents of preterists)
• pantelism. (The term "pantelism" comes from two Greek roots: παν (pan), "everything", and τελ- (tel-), referring to completion).
• Covenant Eschatology
• Fulfilled Eschatology[41]

Full preterists argue that a literal reading of Matthew 16:28 (where Jesus tells the disciples that some of them will not taste death until they see him coming in his kingdom)[42] places the second coming in the first century. This precludes a physical second coming of Christ. Instead, the second coming is symbolic of a "judgment" against Jerusalem, said to have taken place with the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in AD 70.[43] For this reason, some people[which?] also call full preterism "the AD 70 Doctrine."[44] R. C. Sproul says of full preterist Max R. King, of Ohio; "For this schema to work, the traditional idea of resurrection must be replaced with a metaphorical idea of resurrection".[45]

Detractors of full preterism often refer to the school as hyper-preterism.[46] Many[quantify] evangelicals regard full preterism as outside of Christian orthodoxy
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Now back to the topic at hand:

Matthew 26:63-64 "..ye shall be seeing the Son of Man coming on clouds of heaven..."

Some more early church commentaries:

Chariots in the Clouds - As Recorded by Josephus, Tacitus, Eusebius, and Others

Jewish Wars 6-5-3 | Matthew 24:30 | Second Coming of Christ | Josephus on the Star | Response to the Preterist Position | Evaluating Historical Claims | Answering "Evaluating Historical Claims" | The Return of Jesus to Jerusalem | Coming in the Clouds of Heaven

Matthew 26:64. Jesus told him, "You said it. I am telling you then, that henceforth you shall see the Son of Man sitting from the right of the Power and coming over the clouds of heaven." (Aramaic Bible)


ORIGINAL CONTEMPORARY TESTIMONIES

Josephus (A.D. 75) - Jewish Historian
"Besides these [signs], a few days after that feast, on the one- and-twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared; I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armour were seen running about among the clouds, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the] temple, as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, "Let us remove hence" (Jewish Wars, VI-V-3).


“A supernatural apparition was seen, too amazing to be believed. What I am now to relate would, I imagine, be dismissed as imaginary, had this not been vouched for by eyewitnesses, then followed by subsequent disasters that deserved to be thus signalized. For before sunset chariots were seen in the air over the whole country, and armed battalions speeding through the clouds and encircling the cities.” (rendered in Chilton)

Tacitus (A.D. 115) - Roman historian
"13. Prodigies had occurred, but their expiation by the offering of victims or solemn vows is held to be unlawful by a nation which is the slave of superstition and the enemy of true beliefs. In the sky appeared a vision of armies in conflict, of glittering armour. A sudden lightning flash from the clouds lit up the Temple. The doors of the holy place abruptly opened, a superhuman voice was heard to declare that the gods were leaving it, and in the same instant came the rushing tumult of their departure. Few people placed a sinister interpretation upon this. The majority were convinced that the ancient scriptures of their priests alluded to the present as the very time when the Orient would triumph and from Judaea would go forth men destined to rule the world." (Histories, Book 5, v. 13).
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Eusebius is mentioned in this 70ad commentary.
The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished ! -- This fact is confirmed by Eusebius, who asserts that he himself saw the city lying in ruins ; and Josephus introduces Eleazer as exclaiming "Where is our great city, which, it was believed, GOD inhabited ? It is altogether rooted and torn up from its foundations ; and the only monument of it that remains, is the camp of its destroyers pitched amidst its reliques !
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Eusebius of Caesarea (A.D. 325)
"For before the setting of the sun chariots and armed troops were seen throughout the whole region in mid-air, wheeling through the clouds and encircling the cities" (Eusebius' Ecclesiastical History, Book 3, Ch. 8).

Eusebius of Caesarea
Bishop of Caesarea in Palestine
(263 - 339)

"One of the best known and most accessible of the ancient preterists" Ken Gentry

"When, then, we see what was of old foretold for the nations fulfilled in our day, and when the lamentation and wailing that was predicted for the Jews, and the burning of the Temple and its utter desolation, can also be seen even now to have occurred according to the prediction, surely we must also agree that the King who was prophesied, the Christ of God, has come, since the signs of His coming have been shewn in each instance I have treated to have been clearly fulfilled