Were the angels lying?
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Your posts are about criticizing and judging people....ironically.
That is off topic .
I'm just saying that is not the Topic of the OP.
I have nothing else to say to you.
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LightLoveHope
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Thank you for this. Angels do not lie, and they speak from the throne room of God.
I was trying to clarify what you meant, God bless you.
It is interesting about lying, because the serpent in the garden of eden said explicitly God was lying about dying if one eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And interestingly from a certain perspective God did not mean they would physically die, but spiritually they did die, as was shown when they hid because they were naked.
Often in discussions about scripture people will say a certain position is a deception or a lie. But some of these positions are perspectives, and not right or wrong. It is worthwhile seeing how one can put a different perspective on a situation. So the woman caught in adultery was set free because no one wanted to claim they were innocent of issues around attraction, so could not condemn the woman in question. Finding Gods will in a situation can be equally difficult.
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LightLoveHope
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I am not judging anyone, or even criticizing. I was commenting on suggesting someone is causing confusion, could actually be making people think about issues from another perspective.
Clearly the angels were proclaiming Gods perspective on the good news of the gospel, which is truly good news for all, because it opens the door of salvation to all sinners. Praise the Lord, Amen.
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No, angels of GOD do not lie , but people can twist scripture to what they want to hear, so it doesn't matter the fact that Angels don't lie.
fyi, fallen angels do lie. So not all angels tell the truth.
So , you believe that everyone will be saved as the OP believes??
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Consider this statement:
The salesman said to them, Don't be afraid I have good news for you; Ford is making cars for all people.
Would you call the salesman a liar? On what basis? Doesn't Ford make cars that are available on the market for anyone and all to purchase? Would Ford prefer you to buy a Toyota?
I simply think you are trying to read too much into the angel's statement.
The birth of Christ, his death, and resurrection are good news. There's no doubt about that.
Is anyone excluded from the offer? No, it is to all people regardless of gender, race or nationality. These distinctions are clearly dealt with in the Scripture and, since it is free, anyone can afford it [unlike a Ford].
(although... if you remember... "if you cannot afford a car, you can a Ford.")
If Ford offers you a Ford and you buy a Toyota, is it Ford's fault you never purchased their offer?
Salvation is a gift: its free and available. If you choose not to accept it, it does not make the angel who proclaimed it a liar, it just means you miss out.
The good tidings is to all, salvation comes to those who accept it on God's terms; and all can accept if they so choose.
No, the angel did not lie.
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LightLoveHope
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I do not know what anyone believes, it is not why I am on a forum.
I am not a universalist as I wrote in a previous post. I do believe all are called, the door is open to all to discover, yet only the elect will respond.
Such is the problem of faith. Our hearts are our anchor in Christ. Have a pure heart and you will see God, amen
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Dear Pedra: You can take this to the bank!
"In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the LORD your Redeemer."
God is the Saviour of the all
"In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you," says the LORD your Redeemer."
God is the Saviour of the all
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Good News?
The modern 'Gospel' presents a good opportunity.
Good for some, horrible for all others.
THAT'S NOT GOOD NEWS!
In fact, the bad news for most is such bad news, it taints the good news for the others.
Knowing your neighbors, friends and loved ones are burning in hell forever is such a horrible idea - how can we pretend that our lives in the new kingdom with our merciful God would not be contaminated and spoiled by this nightmarish reflection?
The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases!
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renniks
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context? " We don't need no stinkin context!"
Coincidentally I've been reading Isaiah lately.
Seek the Lord while He may be found. Let the wicked forsake his way,
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
Let him return to the Lord,
And He will have mercy on him;
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon."
Oh, there are those nasty conditions again, that imply God is not just saving everyone Willy, Nilly.. we must ignore those and cling to our precious out of context verses to support our own ideas of what God should do!
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"Life is not a test so God can discover what we would do. Life is a test so we can discover what God does do." -Peter Hiett-
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I am delighted you are sticking with St. Peter. Are you sticking with every word of his epistles?
The risen Christ preaches to the dead
“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”
Dead=
nekros= a corpse (from nekus)=
Breathed his last/ lifeless.
Deceased/ departed.
Destitute of life/ without life.
Inanimate.
Disobedient= apeitheo=
Not to allow one’s self to be persuaded.
To refuse or withhold belief & obedience.
To refuse belief and obedience.
Not to comply with.
Live= zao=
To be alive with resurrection life.
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renniks
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By which also — That is, by which Spirit; he went and preached — Πορευθεις εκηρυξεν, having gone, he preached, namely, in and by Noah, who spake by the Spirit of Christ, (1 Peter 1:11,) and of the Father, who said, (Genesis 6:3,) referring to the men of that generation, My Spirit shall not always strive with man. Hence Noah is called a preacher of righteousness: 2 Peter 2:5. “By attributing the preaching of the ancient prophets to Christ, the apostle hath taught us, that from the beginning the economy of man’s redemption has been under the direction of Christ. To the spirits in prison — That is, which were in prison when St. Peter wrote this epistle. They were men in the flesh when Christ preached to them by his Spirit speaking in Noah; but after they were dead, their spirits were shut up in the infernal prison, detained, like the fallen angels, (Jdg 1:6,) unto the judgment of the great day; which sometime — Ποτε, once, or formerly, were disobedient, when the long-suffering of God waited — For their repentance; in the days of Noah — During the long space of one hundred and twenty years; while the ark was preparing — During which time Noah warned them all to repent, and flee from the wrath to come. Wherein — In which ark; few, that is, eight souls — Namely, Noah and his wife, with their three sons and their wives; were saved by water — Or, were carried safely through the water; namely, the waters of the flood, which bare up the ark in which they were enclosed. Some suppose that the persons here spoken of are said to have been in prison in the days of Noah, by the same figure of speech, by which the persons to whom Christ preached in the days of his flesh, are called captives in prison, Luke 4:18. “Christ’s preaching to the antediluvians by Noah, their destruction for their disobedience to that preaching, and the preservation of Noah and his family in the ark, are all fitly mentioned, to show that it hath been God’s way from the beginning of the world, when the wickedness of men became general, to oppose it, by raising up prophets to reprove them, and warn them of their danger; and after waiting for their repentance to no purpose, to destroy them; while he delivered the righteous from the evils to which they were exposed, by manifest interpositions of his power. These things teach us, that we should not think the worse of the gospel, because it hath been rejected by many; nor of ourselves, because we are persecuted by the wicked. On the other hand, by the punishment of the antediluvians, and of the Jews who crucified our Lord; wicked men and persecutors are taught to dread the judgments of God.” — Macknight.
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yeshuaslavejeff
simple truth, martyr, disciple of Yahshua
Yahuweh's Faithful angels don't lie unless He directs them to do so for His Own Purpose.
The EXACT SAME MESSAGE (THE GOSPEL OF JESUS)
that is RESURRECTION GLORIOUS JOY for those appointed to be resurrected with Jesus,
is A STENCH, THE AROMA OF DEATH, for all those destined for destruction.
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Dear Ren: The Rev. James Macknight with all his tireless study of the Epistles is coming up mighty short! Perhaps another 30 years of tireless study would have helped? Perhaps?
“Christ also has once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: by which also he went and preached to the spirits in prison; which once were disobedient, when once the long suffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was in preparation, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water… for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.”
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renniks
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This is just one of multiple interpretations of that passage, of course. Personally, I'm not dogmatic about it one way or another. If indeed he did descend into hell, the best explanation Would be that it was perhaps to give those who died under the old covenant a chance to hear the gospel in its fullness. It says nothing about whether they were able to repent or not... Most likely some would and some remain in eternal rebellion. And in fact the passage only refers to a certain group of people from Noah's day.
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