Calling out False Teachers

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On Sunday I attended a friend's church to hear a speaker she said is "anointed." His name is Perry Stone. ....

Find some friends at College or in the Military who speak obscure languages Or invite a Hebrew Rabbi with a sense of humor or an Iman also with a sense of humor to speak to him in their non English languages while in the line after church.
 
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It’s gossip to speak of another w/o them around to defend themselves. Charismatic forums would be a better forum to take discussions about that (leaving out the name but describing the phenomenon.)

This forum is for learning for "apprentices of Jesus, that they look to Him, listen to Him, obey Him, pray with Him, and trust in Him."

email his church to invite him here. Also, give links to his works in pdf format online for quoting.
 
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CHAPTER 11
Travelling teachers -- Apostles -- Prophets

1 Whosoever then comes and teaches you all these things aforesaid, receive him. 2 But if the teacher himself be perverted and teach another doctrine to destroy these things, do not listen to him, but if his teaching be for the increase of righteousness and knowledge of the Lord, receive him as the Lord.

3 And concerning the Apostles and Prophets, act thus according to the ordinance of the Gospel. 4 Let every Apostle who comes to you be received as the Lord, 5 but let him not stay more than one day, or if need be a second as well; but if he stay three days, he is a false prophet. 6 And when an Apostle goes forth let him accept nothing but bread till he reach his night's lodging; but if he ask for money, he is a false prophet.

7 Do not test or examine any prophet who is speaking in a spirit, "for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven." 8 But not everyone who speaks in a spirit is a prophet, except he have the behaviour of the Lord. From his behaviour, then, the false prophet and the true prophet shall be known.

9 And no prophet who orders a meal in a spirit shall eat of it: otherwise he is a false prophet. 10 And every prophet who teaches the truth, if he do not what he teaches, is a false prophet.

11 But no prophet who has been tried and is genuine, though he enact a worldly mystery of the Church, if he teach not others to do what he does himself, shall be judged by you: for he has his judgment with God, for so also did the prophets of old. 12 But whosoever shall say in a spirit `Give me money, or something else,' you shall not listen to him; but if he tell you to give on behalf of others in want, let none judge him.
Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Kirsopp Lake).
 
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On Sunday I attended a friend's church to hear a speaker she said is "anointed." His name is Perry Stone. I had not researched him and knew nothing about him. My friend is a strong Christian, so I assumed if she was a supporter of this speaker then he must be legit.

I was very disturbed by what I heard and saw. The first half of Stone's sermon was ok. He spoke of God's truth and quoted from the Bible a few times (not enough in my opinion, but I let it go). But about 30 minutes into his talk, things took a strange turn. A guy in the congregation started yelling unintelligibly and sobbing. It went on for a few minutes and Stone kept preaching, getting louder and more passionate.

A few people went over to the guy to see if he was all right. Meanwhile, Stone began inviting people up front so they could "be filled with the Holy Spirit." This was explained as a prayer Stone would say to people in order for them to be filled with the spirit. Prior to this, he spent about 10 minutes talking about all the languages he had spoken in while filled with the Holy Spirit, how God had enabled him to speak Spanish, Chinese, Portugese and so on at previous speaking engagements.

Most of this rant focused on Stone's seemingly incredible gift of in speaking with people in their native language. He made it seem like he could just call on this "gift" whenever he wanted.

I was very disturbed by all of this, because I know the Word tells us that when we are saved, we are filled with the Holy Spirit. He is always within us, so why would I need to go up front and have this guy pray over me? But scores of people went up front, including a friend I had brought with me!

This is a charismatic church that I've visited a few times, but I've never seem anything like this before. Stone was waving his hands over people and saying, "Be filled with the Spirit!" while also speaking gibberish (which I guess was supposed to "tongues?" But there was no interpreter.

Then to make things worse, the pastor got up at the end and encouraged people to stay as long as they wanted, because sometimes "we just need to feel God. We need to feel his presence strongly, and that's what is happening in this room." All this time the worship group was playing the same refrain of a song over and over again, and the room was dark except for strobe-type lights.

After I got home, my friend texted and asked me what I thought of the service. I waited to reply, because I wanted to pray about it and see what God said. I ended up telling her I was disturbed by what I heard, and I pointed out the error according to scripture in what Stone was saying. She basically did not believe me and said one of her friends was "healed from a cancerous tumor" during this service.

Is it worth saying anything else to my friend or will I just offend her? She is a member of his church.

Does anyone else have any experience with Perry Stone? If I have gotten this wrong, please tell me.
One of the gifts of the Holy Spirit is discernment. You may have that gift.
Blessings
 
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If you have not been to a Charismatic Church before, then yes, what you saw would be new and different to you. That's understandable.

It probably would have been much better if your friend had invited you to a regular service first, rather than to have dumped you into the middle of a revival service as your first experience. Sorry about that.

My advice would be to go back to the church one more time, (during a regular service) before you form an opinion.
What about his experience causes you to think it was a revival service and why would it be called this?
 
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We do need discernment; however, the manifestation of that spiritual gift isnt discernment, it's discerning of spirits (I Cor 12:10). All those gifts operate under Holy Spirit (I Cor 12:4) So you would have to asks Him to get His response. It's not based on our opinions and observations.

It's just amazing the guidelines that some people lists for prophets. Would like to see Scriptures to support. Pretty sure the thread title was originally about false prophets. if those who say "false prophets" have an understanding of the prophets of God.

There is more than one way to look at the Scriptures regarding tongues. Books have been written offering Biblical explanations. Dont think there's very many Biblical topics that all denominations have the same interpretation. Then there are many perspectives within a specific church. Btw, "Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret." I Cor 14:13. It doesn't say the interpretation will be revealed every time. There's a diversity of tongues (I Cor 12:28) so there are differences between prayer language tongues (I Cor 14:2) and a gift of tongues with interpretation (I Cor 12::10) within an individual church service. Prayer language is for all believers. I Cor 14:22 and Mark 16:17) (Also, if you didnt hear Perry Stone pray for an interpretation, doesn't mean he didnt. I'm sure he is criticized all the time just like all other large ministries. If you had a large ministry, you would be criticized to the max as well. But if you are waiting to do something for Him instead of having the fear of man, we need the fear of The Lord.

Also, there's a doctrine of baptismS,..." (Heb 6:2) There are 3 baptisms; specifically:

1 - By The Holy Spirit into Jesus is the baptism for salvation (blood baptism)
(Rev 1:5; Matt 26:28; Mark 1:4, 16:16; Luk 3:3; 1 Cor 12:13: Acts 2:38: Gal 3:27, +++)
Also, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise," Eph 1:13

Water and Spirit baptism follows - not in a set order:
2 - By another believer (water baptism) (Matt 28:19++++!)
3 - By Jesus with or into The Holy Spirit (The Spirit baptism)
(Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16; Acts 11:16++++)'

And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." I John 5:7-8

It takes so little to offend. I've seen a few tears and on another occasion, one spoken amen do it.

And I have to wonder with threads such as these, would the concerns be expressed with the same terminology or attitude, if the person was our biological brother, son, best friend, dad.
 
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From what you said you saw was all of God. We believe John 3 16 yes? So why not Luke? If anyone asks the Father for the holy Spirit? Who so ever believes in Him (John). The 120 were all saved after Christ went up. What was this "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;" Again .. in Luke Jesus said how much more will your heavenly Father give the holy Spirit to them that ask. Did not Christ do the same thing for the 120? The promise?

Now what you started is what you should have finished. You should have prayed about it 1st. Haha.. hard for me to go to my Father knowing I am right. I am not.. He always is. If I go to Him knowing so and so is wrong and then ask Him about it.. I won't hear anything. If I go to really understand to willingly be wrong. Then you ask here if your wrong? Who you gonna go with for that answer :) ?

Perry Stone has very close friends that disagree with him on what your asking but.. they love each other.. they both know each is of God. Not what others think. Is what he is saying written in the word? Once you start talking Word Of Faith (which is all GOD is) well praise GOD glory to Jesus. I would gladly listen to Perry Stone. His heart is easy to see. I may not always agree but.. oh He LOVES the lord JESUS!
 
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On Sunday I attended a friend's church to hear a speaker she said is "anointed." His name is Perry Stone. I had not researched him and knew nothing about him. My friend is a strong Christian, so I assumed if she was a supporter of this speaker then he must be legit.

I was very disturbed by what I heard and saw. The first half of Stone's sermon was ok. He spoke of God's truth and quoted from the Bible a few times (not enough in my opinion, but I let it go). But about 30 minutes into his talk, things took a strange turn. A guy in the congregation started yelling unintelligibly and sobbing. It went on for a few minutes and Stone kept preaching, getting louder and more passionate.

A few people went over to the guy to see if he was all right. Meanwhile, Stone began inviting people up front so they could "be filled with the Holy Spirit." This was explained as a prayer Stone would say to people in order for them to be filled with the spirit. Prior to this, he spent about 10 minutes talking about all the languages he had spoken in while filled with the Holy Spirit, how God had enabled him to speak Spanish, Chinese, Portugese and so on at previous speaking engagements.

Most of this rant focused on Stone's seemingly incredible gift of in speaking with people in their native language. He made it seem like he could just call on this "gift" whenever he wanted.

I was very disturbed by all of this, because I know the Word tells us that when we are saved, we are filled with the Holy Spirit. He is always within us, so why would I need to go up front and have this guy pray over me? But scores of people went up front, including a friend I had brought with me!

This is a charismatic church that I've visited a few times, but I've never seem anything like this before. Stone was waving his hands over people and saying, "Be filled with the Spirit!" while also speaking gibberish (which I guess was supposed to "tongues?" But there was no interpreter.

Then to make things worse, the pastor got up at the end and encouraged people to stay as long as they wanted, because sometimes "we just need to feel God. We need to feel his presence strongly, and that's what is happening in this room." All this time the worship group was playing the same refrain of a song over and over again, and the room was dark except for strobe-type lights.

After I got home, my friend texted and asked me what I thought of the service. I waited to reply, because I wanted to pray about it and see what God said. I ended up telling her I was disturbed by what I heard, and I pointed out the error according to scripture in what Stone was saying. She basically did not believe me and said one of her friends was "healed from a cancerous tumor" during this service.

Is it worth saying anything else to my friend or will I just offend her? She is a member of his church.

Does anyone else have any experience with Perry Stone? If I have gotten this wrong, please tell me.

Because I can from the Charismatic Pentecostal faith I can tell you that what you experienced is pretty much what takes place in all of their services.

It is all about "Emotionalism uncontrolled".

Now, what you will get from your thread is going to be angry Pentecostal believers who do not want to hear anything said about any of their preachers.

Personally, I am also a "Cessationst" who reads 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 ………….
"Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears."

The only THING that has come that is perfect is the Word of God, the Bible.

The Greek grammar does not allow the "COMPLETENESS/PERFECT" in the KJV to be a person so it can not be Jesus Christ.

So, then, today we do not have Prophets or Apostles. We have the written Word of God because when John the last Apostle died in 95 AD, the office of Apostle ended.


Dave Miller, Ph.D, Apologetics Press :
"... the exegete is forced to conclude that Paul’s use of “perfect” referred to the completed revelation or totally revealed New Testament Scriptures."

Robert L. Thomas, Understanding the Spiritual Gifts, pg. 130 -
"... a completion of the revelatory gifts coincided1 with the completion of the New Testament".
 
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Perry Stone is not a false teacher, suggesting so is against the guidelines here.

I have seen him in person as well, and listened to many of his teachings. The guy is brilliant, the only person I've ever seen who can list of genealogies from memory... lol

The gifts of tongues is the "different kinds of tongues". Tongues for interpretation is just one kind. This is why Paul said, in 1 Cor 14:

4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification.

Here there are 2 types being talked about. He says we edify ourselves when praying in tongues first - that is individual, but he'd rather us prophesy over tongues, unless he interprets - that is corporate. Unless implies that it isn't mandatory that tongues be interpreted... it is a different kind. Speaking in human languages unknown to the speaker is another kind... they are all in the Bible in various places.

Warning, threads like this tend to blow up and get pretty crazy.

I have attended his meetings as well. So then, lets talk about REAL stuff which is easy to prove.

Do the work and visit his website and you will see that Perry Stone sells a meal package on his ministries' website, and calls it the Lord's Supper, and claims if you buy it from him you'll be healed of any sickness or disease.

Now you are free to believe anything you want to and I am not trying to say anything to change that. All I am doing is giving all of you information directly from his own web site.

Perry Stone teaches Lordship Salvation. On his website, under the "contact" dropdown menu, click on "How to be Saved." Here you'll read the following words...

I now ask Jesus to come into my heart. Be my Savior. Be my Lord. Be my soon coming King. I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible.

That is completely and totally unbiblical!!!!

SOURCE: http://www.jesussaves.cc/prayer_salvation.htm

Mr. Stone adds …...
I will do my best to obey your teachings as recorded in the Bible.
as part of the sinner's prayer. No Sir! WRON!!!!!!!!
You don't have to do your best to obey God to be saved. You must believ upon the Lord Jesus Christ only!!!

Perry Stone wrongly defines repentance as "turning over a new leaf"...

When you repent you make a 180 degree turn. Some people say that you turn over a new leaf.
 
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If you have not been to a Charismatic Church before, then yes, what you saw would be new and different to you. That's understandable.

It probably would have been much better if your friend had invited you to a regular service first, rather than to have dumped you into the middle of a revival service as your first experience. Sorry about that.

My advice would be to go back to the church one more time, (during a regular service) before you form an opinion.

A regular church service is seen at …......
Youtube video of a regualr Pentacosal church service gone wrong - Bing video

Here is another church service at...…...

1 Thess. 5:22...…..
"Abstain from all appearance of evil."

1 Corth. 14:40......…"
But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.
 
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And every believer has their own definition of decent and in order and some have studied. Not every Pentecostal or Charmastic believer just wants the emotional aspects.

David danced to honor The Lord. II Sam 6;74

They haven't ceased. We still have apostles and prophets

Also, Perry Stone's communion package doesn't make any promise beyond what Scripture states, based on I Pet 2:24, "With the stripes of Jesus I am healed”

Previously I was a cessionist but thankfully I'm not now.

So what's real is you have your opinions and interpretations and I have mine. More importantly, even though we've come to different conclusions, we are still part of His body.
 
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And every believer has their own definition of decent and in order and some have studied. Not every Pentecostal or Charmastic believer just wants the emotional aspects.

David danced to honor The Lord. II Sam 6;74

They haven't ceased. We still have apostles and prophets

Also, Perry Stone's communion package doesn't make any promise beyond what Scripture states, based on I Pet 2:24, "With the stripes of Jesus I am healed”

Previously I was a cessionist but thankfully I'm not now.

So what's real is you have your opinions and interpretations and I have mine. More importantly, even though we've come to different conclusions, we are still part of His body.

You said...............
"And every believer has their own definition of decent and in order and some have studied. "

So did you actually watch the video of the women dancing showing their underware to everyone? Do YOU think that is "DECENT""

What does 1 Thess. 5:22 tells us...……….
"Abstain from even the APPEARANCE of evil".


You said.................
"David danced to honor The Lord. II Sam 6;74"

Funny you would say that. Do you know of ANY Commandment of God that David DID NOT BREAK???? When you watched the videos, did YOU think that the Lord was honored by those on the floor or jerking their bodies?

You said...………………..
"They haven't ceased. We still have apostles and prophets."


That is an emotional opinion simply because you are a Pentecostal believer and you have posted NO Scriptural evidence to support it.

There are no prophets today in the same sense as there were under the old covenant and in the apostolic church. Before the canon of Scripture was complete, God used prophets to maintain order and teach correct doctrine. After the canon was completed, however, prophecy began to be more of a problem than a help.

IF we have prophets today......I wonder why NOT ONE SINGLE ONE said anything about 9-11-2001.
There is a difference between the "gift" of prophecy (defending and speaking forth the ESTABLISHED Word of God) and the "Office" of Prophet (speaking forth NEW revelations from God and establishing scripture). The gift is still in effect, but not the office. The office of being an Apostle was to lay the foundation for the Church which was temporary.

John the Baptist was the Elijah that Was to Come
It is claimed by many that Malaki 4:5-6 indicates there will be an endtime prophet named Elijah (that's why we have so many who call themselves "Elijah" now). However Jesus said that Elija's coming was fulfilled in John the Baptist who came in the spirit and power of Elijah (Luke 1:17) as well as the following:

"For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. He who has ears, let him hear." Matt. 11:14

Warnings About False Prophets in the End Times:

Jude 3-4...…..

script-jude-3to4.png

Why There are No Prophets Today, or Apostles


Then you said..............
"Also, Perry Stone's communion package doesn't make any promise beyond what Scripture states, based on I Pet 2:24, "With the stripes of Jesus I am healed”.

The point my dear friend is that HE SELLS IT!!!!


1 Peter 2:24 is a quote from Isaiah 53:5 that says..................
"But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed."

That Scripture has NOTHING to do with physical healing. By His stripes we are healed. In order to be healed of the curse of Adam’s transgression, Jesus had to receive the full extent of that curse which is why He had to endure the breaking of His body. Just as Jesus’ shed blood was needed for the remission of our sins, so His broken body was necessary for our healing from the consequences of sin.

Peter Popoff does the very same thing and calls his the "MIRACLE WATER" that heals you of all your illnesses.

It is tragic that greedy men stoop so low as to exploit the name of Jesus, but this is what Peter Popoff, Don Stewart, Mike Murdock, Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, Robert Tilton, James Robison, and others are doing. Read what the Word of God warns us concern these evil men...

2 Peter 2:1-3......….
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not".
Peter Popoff EXPOSED!

Matthew 7:22-23 reveals that many false prophets do exploit the NAME of Jesus...

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

My opinion with all due respect to you, is that those who WANT TO follow the Pentecostal false teachings will do so no matter what the Scriptures say.

1 Corth 13:8 clearly says to those who want to know...………..
"Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away."

 
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What about his experience causes you to think it was a revival service and why would it be called this?

The word Revival is used because "FLEECING THE FLOCK" just does not produce a lot of giving from those who come.
 
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And every believer has their own definition of decent and in order and some have studied. Not every Pentecostal or Charmastic believer just wants the emotional aspects.

David danced to honor The Lord. II Sam 6;74

They haven't ceased. We still have apostles and prophets

Also, Perry Stone's communion package doesn't make any promise beyond what Scripture states, based on I Pet 2:24, "With the stripes of Jesus I am healed”

Previously I was a cessionist but thankfully I'm not now.

So what's real is you have your opinions and interpretations and I have mine. More importantly, even though we've come to different conclusions, we are still part of His body.


Not in church, the standard of orderly was in the culture of the Temple. It was Paul that says they were out of order. It is plain from Paul's writings what happens in some churches today is out of order.
 
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Also, Perry Stone's communion package doesn't make any promise beyond what Scripture states, based on I Pet 2:24, "With the stripes of Jesus I am healed”
So what you are saying is that Jesus gave Perry Stone some miracle food to sell that is guaranteed to heal?

God did not heal Paul, but Jesus gives Perry Stone food guaranteed to heal. Ok then. smh
 
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So what you are saying is that Jesus gave Perry Stone some miracle food to sell that is guaranteed to heal?

God did not heal Paul, but Jesus gives Perry Stone food guaranteed to heal. Ok then. smh

You are correct.

The bottom line here is that Mr. Stone is just as much a charlatan as is Peter Popoff who is now selling "Holy Water".

The Bible says that we are healed by His stripes which is contextually all about spiritual SIN not physical ailments.

Christ in Isiah 53:5...…….
“was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed”

Peter quotes Isaiah in 1 Peter 2:24 builds on this understanding...……..
“He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed”.

Those Scriptures do NOT say we are healed PHYSICALLY.

However, this is exactly what is seen all through Christianity. Someone is told a LIE, a false teaching, and they want to believe it so no matter what the truth is, or what the Bible actually says, they are going to stick with what they like.
 
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So what you are saying is that Jesus gave Perry Stone some miracle food to sell that is guaranteed to heal?

God did not heal Paul, but Jesus gives Perry Stone food guaranteed to heal. Ok then. smh

sounds like a variation of the miracle wheat scandle of Charles Taze Russull.
 
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So, then, today we do not have Prophets or Apostles. We have the written Word of God because when John the last Apostle died in 95 AD, the office of Apostle ended.


WHO came after the Apostles, happened during the time of John, even after being released from Patmos, were John's own Disciples like Polycarp.

and Polycarp under the guise of John's teachings and leadership brought us into the era of the "Church Fathers."

and we can trace John, his Disciple Polycarp, Polycarp's own Disciples, their Disciples and the list continues.

You know what else these Disciples continues and kept teaching their own Disciples and churches they visited..., the Gift of Tongues.



and verse 10 is well known that verse is speaking of the Native Tongue (like the language you speak Naturally). this verse "has Nothing" to do with the Holy Spirit's Gift of Tongues!
 
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