What is taught in our public school systems is macro evolution and that is NOT compatible with the Lords word.
why not? Specifically (I said so, is not an answer)
Macro evolution - major evolutionary change (outside of a species). The term applies mainly to the evolution of whole taxonomic groups over long periods of time.
but again the bible does not identify any specific species in any way close to our system of identifying any biological organism. Example 1 again all winged creatures are under one category. this is birds, reptiles, mammals, fish, and insects and anything else that could fly or glide
So how can you say change has happened or has not happened if and when the catalogue of animal one word describes is so large? How can you say aveon did not evolve from a flying lizard if the same word used to identify a bird and a reptile is the same?
2) macro evolution is change above the species level in a taxonomic grouping genus or higher.
Micro evolution is compatible with the Lords word.
Micro evolution - evolutionary change within a species or small group of organisms, especially over a short period.
micro evolution - He made them after THEIR KIND. (within their species) such as we see today.
ah, no.. look stuff up before you write.
micro evolution happens on the level of the species or lower.
An inter species change is what is being described. Man in the garden is genetically compatible with day 6 man that was developed outside the garden of eden. Even the Neiliphim which the bible identifies as the spawn/hybrid of a separate race. (Sons of Elohim IE the man made on Day 6) which again bred themselves with daughters of man to produce a hybrid, the word specifically describes a hybrid! Two different species under the same genus! Man out side the garden "son of God/elohim" is one species of the genus "man" and daughters of man As in man made in the garden by Yahweh is another species of the genus "man" these two species made a hybrid/giant. when two different species mate and the result is always the same that hybrid becomes a different evolution or different class of organism all together.
so example, you have cats and dogs .... different looking cats, different looking dogs (micro evolution), but dogs and cats do not inter-breed and produce off spring (that would be macro evolution)
that is because cats and dogs are not of the same genus. Donkeys and horses are and they are two separate species but under the same genus which is why they produce mules when hybridised. Mules are that "different class of organisms" much like the nehilphim!!!
One class of man "sons of God" mated with of man daughters of Adam, and produced a hybrid! the fact that there are two sources of man/genetic material different enough when combined produced a giant is the proof two separate species are being identified here!
There my confused friend in biblical proof of macro evolution in the bible in gen 6!!! Two different species mate to produce a third which had exaggerated traits when compared to homo sapiens!!!!
Male & Female: How did male & female "evolve"?
Again Sons of Elohim (as in the deity responsible for chapter 1 7 day creation which had that species be created day 6) and sons of man which where created by Yahweh chapter 2 and was given a iving soul. this is further cemented when in chapter 4 it is said the sons of Adam Cain and seth (sons of day 2 man)had sex with their wives. (descendants of day 6 man created/evolved outside the garden.)
What evolutionary "processes" occurred making this possible?
Inner species sex.
What evolution processes took place to provide for the XY/YY chromosomes etc. Are these evolution "processes" provable?
in so far as the bible in genesis 6 identifying the sons of God as being a different species as the daughters of men.
What evolution processes took place for life to become? Are they provable?
life was seeded by God and evolved to fit it's specific environments. When God placed animals on the earth or in the garden that is referred too as seeding. In Science they use a similar term to describe life being transported and seeded to this planet by asteroids.. Both can again be in agreement here if one considers the asteroid may have been the pill God used to seed life..
The "giants" ... if I understand correctly what you are putting forth, were a different type of human ... that is ... not out of the lineage from the creation of Adam & Eve, if so, that in itself dismisses the origin of mankind.
again no. Giants where identified by the bible as hybrids as the result of sexual relations between two different species of sexually compatible genus.
The sons of God where one specific species identified and the daughters of men where again identified as a separate species, we know they where not the same because their off spring created hybrid giants.
When you take two regular homosapieans and mate them they do not regularly produce giants. But when you take a homo sapien and Homo "son of God" and mate the pair it almost always creates a giant.
Race: A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society.
now who is speaking where the bible is silent. the sons of God has a quality above that of man. As thier inter mixed DNA produces giants. This is not a racial trait. this is an interspecies trait. for example there was a race of small men named Homo floresiensis. They are not a race as race is a taxonomic category that comes after species. they are a different species as Homo is the genus and sapiain is the species. in this case this species of man named after "hobbits" is considered a different species. they are the homo floresiensis
Homo floresiensis - Wikipedia
the simply trait of these people being less than one meter tall made them a new species according to how laws of taxonomy works. the opposite is true for giants (saving the example to fix the next scientifically incorrect statement.)
Although the Nephilim (and others) are described as being taller etc. that does not mean they were a different "type" of human. "Giants" is used to describe many different races (people groups) throughout the OT ... not just the Nephilim.
I'm sorry bt that is not scientifically accurate statement. if Nephilim were a consistent result of the inner mixing of two different species like donkey(Equus asinus) and horse (Equus caballus) = mule then like the mule they would be assigned a different taxonomic category that identifies them as a hybrid: Equus asinus × Equus caballus
What makes them hybrids is the fact their mother were identified of being of one species and their father's from another.
Deuteronomy 2:21
A people great and many, and tall as the Anakim; but the Lord destroyed them before the Ammonites, and they dispossessed them and settled in their place,
look again. The anakim where a Tribe or class of people who where taller than everyone else.
Genesis 1:1 (KJV)
when a group/tribe of people share a common genetic trait that consistently makes one in this case bigger does indeed get identified by science as a different SPECIES
For instance here in philipeens in 2019 we have found evidence of giant species of of the homo genus.
New species of ancient human discovered in the Philippines
They are considered to be a different species just because they are taller. so this tribe of men along with the account of
Josephus also described the Amorites as giants in his
Antiquities of the Jews, circa 93 AD, indicating that some sort of fossils may have been on display at that time:
[10] "For which reason they removed their camp to Hebron; and when they had taken it, they slew all the inhabitants. There were till then left the race of giants, who had bodies so large, and c
ountenances so entirely different from other men, that they were surprising to the sight, and terrible to the hearing. The bones of these men are still shown to this very day, unlike to any credible relations of other men."[11]
Giant - Wikipedia
This may not be a bible quote but josephus is indeed a well known and accepted historian in and out of the church.
So he out lines 3 major differences that would identify a different race. Crazy tall. differen contenances (face look unlike normal homosapeians) they made noises that hurt the ear, and had bone structure that was complete different than any other man.
That my confused brother is definitely describes a different race. perhaps same genus meaning sexually compatible with homosapeian but different enough not to be the same plus or minus some racial differences.
As bone structure is a dead give away as being something not human.
One can not reconcile MACRO evolution and creation ... and MACRO evolution is what is being taught in the public school systems. This is the point you seem to be missing or ignoring.
why not? I just showed you how.
MACRO evolution theory and creation theory are incompatible. If one accepts micro evolution they are indeed compromising (making concessions) with their faith.
brother respectfully you need to work on your science if you are to represent this to anyone being taught on the subject. I've shown you 1/2 a dozen errors in your understanding and labeling. this only serves to discredit you your argument and your line of thinking in the hands of the type of people who teach our children these higher learning courses.
Again personally I do not care what you believe this is bigger than you or me as it pertains to the future of the church. you can pretend macro evolution is the problem when in fact micro evolution and everything I have shown you here concerning inter species mixing as the bible describes is not only supportive of evolutionary theory the bible provides examples of it that result into taxicomical change in species (man himself) otherwise it is way too vague to say other animals did not evolve.
assimilate - cause (something) to resemble; liken.
keyword - cause
The "cause" (as being discussed herein) is either macro evolution or creation.
personal conjecture based on want. I have shown you conclusively otherwise using passages and definition provided by the bible, with 1st century biblical historians and scientific data.. do with it as you will.
As far as the Lords church (the body of believers that transcends any one church system), there will be a remnant
why seek only a remnant when the church can still thrive?
the only thing need change is the idea God need remain a mystery.
Over the course of history believers have been threatened (and is continuous) and in many cases severely diminished however the Lord has always kept a remnant through which His message of salvation goes forth. His church no matter how small will move forward until His return.
there are no threats here. look at the church in europe look at the church of england look at our neighborhood churches... look at the coming census. and again I have for nearly every work day for the last 10 years spent hours helping young people push back the demands of the secular educational system so that they can just maintain faith. Many simply give up because we have nothing like what they have been taught to identify as intellectually sound reasoning/logic. The sad thing is we have it at our finger tips but yet, once most of us figure our groove or nitch that is all we need so we close everything else out, and expect others to find fulfillment the same way we do.
Remember we are to love our lord God with all of our mind, heart, spirit and strength, because we are all different that expression of love will look different. My mind may include a job in a scientific field and I can not ignore the truth of it, so then my love of God must also include science other wise I with hold apart of my self I am to give to God.
Our collage age kids are not stupid. they know when you have legit answers and when you do not. If you can not reconcile the paradoxes created by the higher learning process we will loose them.
Because they know they can not meet this standard of love to God either, so why try? to them everyone gets a trophy in the end anyway.
This may have worked in a strict society but look around we do not live in such a place now!
Ecclesiastes 1:9
New Living Translation
History merely repeats itself. It has all been done before. Nothing under the sun is truly new.
will the events in revelation be new? if yes if no why push them when there is still so much to do?
Romans 11:5
English Standard Version
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
Again, the public school system is teaching MACRO evolution.
ah, no. they teach both. I deal will collage age kids. we are loosing them at a rate between 70 and 85% meaning upto 85% of God fearing Jesus Christ centered kids that go to collage come out as atheist on the other side of their 'higher learning experience.' 70% of those kids stop believing with in the first 2 years!
https://lifewayresearch.com/2007/08/07/reasons-18-to-22-year-olds-drop-out-of-church/
Ministries tackle 70% rate of college students leaving faith
Are Young People Really Leaving Christianity? | Cold Case Christianity
You can not pretend those numbers will not deplete the church with in our life time.
Faith - Faith in God as creator (theory) or faith in the scientific theories of man.
preaching to the choir.. however they can turn their phone on and say science did this they can step on a plane and say science did this. they can point to a baby cured of cancer and say science did this. while at the same time they can use their phone and google the planes crashing into buildings in nyc and DC and say this was done for God (or crusades or spanish inquisition or witch hunts and or trials the nazi's KKK or christians holding signs that says God hates [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse].. or anything else pop culture deems the evil of God) they can point to the fact that the baby science cured who had cancer to begin with was a result of a all 'loving all powerful god.' Faith is so much easier when anyone can access it. (again these kids for whatever reason have no access to God)
Yes faith is a part of the puzzle but it does not have to be the only thing one has to work with. God is the God of creation all of it. meaning science should be nothing more than man's way of explaining how God does what he does. Bridge that gap and belief in God is a matter of choice again. Cause right now belief in science over God is a mandate for our next generation.
before you try and argue macro and mirco evolution again look it up and post some links like:
Macroevolution - Wikipedia
Microevolution - Wikipedia
So to recap... as far as macro evolutionary change is concerned. The Dragons of the seas as mentioned in that do not seem to be here or now identified as whales may indicate a macro change as dragons are typically considered to be reptile. There also can be some argument about the behemoth and leviathan as being evolved or perhaps simply extinct. and then there are the ammeroite giants who faces did not look human and bones where also unlike anything humanity has ever seen.
Microevolution can be support not in the animals listed in Genesis 1 because their descriptions are too vague and misaligned with our taxocomitical understanding of biology to say one create was created as this and morphed into this... However the existances of the two species of man at the time of noah the sons of God and daughters of men who produced a very unique off spring prooved micro evolution EG evolution on a species level as where two distinct form of man genetically compatible with one another but where of different species as there would not be a unique life form being created when they bred.