Islam and Cats

cloudyday2 · Sep 9, 2019

Al Masihi said:
I believe some of his dislikes were based on his personal fear of certain animals like geckos for some odd reason. The Islamic reason for hating geckos is because they tried to blow the fire towards Abraham when he was thrown into it in the Islamic traditional accounts, as ridiculous as this story may seem Muslims are required to kill geckos on sight and they even get blessings in the sight of God for doing so. They are also regarded as najis or impure and Muslims must wash themselves seven times after touching one. That’s another other example of cruelty to animals in Islam.

How do Muslims feel about businesses whose mascot is the gecko? SUSE Linux comes to mind. In the US there is Geico insurance too.

GodLovesCats · Sep 10, 2019

Al Masihi said:
I believe some of his dislikes were based on his personal fear of certain animals like geckos for some odd reason. The Islamic reason for hating geckos is because they tried to blow the fire towards Abraham when he was thrown into it in the Islamic traditional accounts, as ridiculous as this story may seem Muslims are required to kill geckos on sight and they even get blessings in the sight of God for doing so. They are also regarded as najis or impure and Muslims must wash themselves seven times after touching one. That’s another other example of cruelty to animals in Islam.

Now that makes me wonder if Muslims boycott Geico because of its stupid commercials with a lizard.

GodLovesCats · Sep 10, 2019

cloudyday2 said:
"Cat" must be slang for some kind of food in the UK?

No, cats are literally Chinese food. If the wrong person sees a stray cat, it will be taken to a meat factory.

Aussie Pete · Sep 10, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
Muslims don't read the Bible. I highly doubt the Scriptural negativity about dogs affects whether a Muslim hates dogs or not.

Egyptians were the first to domesticate cats. Their feline god was a woman with a cat head.

The Quran follows Jewish law very closely - stoning adulterers, killing homosexuals, cutting the hands off thieves, won't eat pork and so on. Muslims trace their religious ancestry to Abraham, through Ishmael. Falsely of course. (Don't tell them I said that. I prefer my head where it is.) So the Old Testament has a great bearing on Islam.

cloudyday2 · Sep 10, 2019

ChristianForCats said:
No, cats are literally Chinese food. If the wrong person sees a stray cat, it will be taken to a meat factory.

Yep, Chinese will eat just about anything I've been told. Hopefully they will learn that cats are more valuable sitting on your lap instead of on your plate.

FireDragon76 · Sep 10, 2019

cloudyday2 said:
Yep, Chinese will eat just about anything I've been told. Hopefully they will learn that cats are more valuable sitting on your lap instead of on your plate.

Many cultures have eaten animals some in western countries consider pets. Aztecs had only two domesticated food animals, for instance: the turkey and the dog (Dogs were eaten by the wealthy).

ViaCrucis · Sep 11, 2019

I mean, to be fair, anyone who has ever visited Rome would know that cats are certainly not rare there. Go to the Coliseum and you basically have the world's biggest cat playground.

I wouldn't say this reflects some sort of reverence for cats among Italians or Romans in particular, or that it would mean that Roman Catholicism reveres cats.

There's just a lot of cats there.

-CryptoLutheran

Yytz6 · Sep 12, 2019

Aussie Pete said:
The Quran follows Jewish law very closely - ~~stoning adulterers, killing homosexuals,~~ cutting the hands off thieves, won't eat pork and so on. Muslims trace their religious ancestry to Abraham, through Ishmael. Falsely of course. (Don't tell them I said that. I prefer my head where it is.) ~~So the Old Testament has a great bearing on Islam.~~

I edited your post to a more accurate model. You're welcome.
That's better. If you want to sound smart you need to open the book and read before you write.

Niblo · Sep 12, 2019

Yytz6 said:
I edited your post to a more accurate model. You're welcome.
That's better. If you want to sound smart you need to open the book and read before you write.

You forgot to strike out the 'Falsely of course'.

Aussie Pete · Sep 13, 2019

Yytz6 said:
I edited your post to a more accurate model. You're welcome.
That's better. If you want to sound smart you need to open the book and read before you write.

Which book would that be? I've read some of the Quran and I stand by what I've said. I also note what some Muslims have done, are doing and threaten to do in the name of their god.

Yytz6 · Sep 13, 2019

Aussie Pete said:
Which book would that be? I've read some of the Quran and I stand by what I've said. I also note what some Muslims have done, are doing and threaten to do in the name of their god.

Some of the Qur'an? Impressive..
Why don't you show me the verse that speaks of stoning of adulterers and killing of homosexuals.

cloudyday2 · Sep 13, 2019

Yytz6 said:
Where did you hear of this supposed Islamic tradition?

Muslims don't revere cats. And Muslims being people like all others, not all of them like cats, love cats, have cats or want cats.

But there are no prohibitions against cats. You can have them as a pet inside the house. People like pets and cats can take care of themselves.

Maybe the first question should be, why do people love cats?

Just to clarify, are you disagreeing with the OP due the choice of words "cats are REVERED in Muslim tradition"? "Revered" can suggest something like worship and the mention of ancient Egyptian cat reverence might suggest that. But "revered" doesn't necessarily mean worship. Would you agree that cats enjoy a higher status than dogs in Islam?

BTW, I know that dogs can be wonderful companions too. I am a cat person, but I don't have anything against dogs. I feel about them like I feel about children - they are wonderful as long as they aren't my responsibility. Dogs are a lot more work than cats.

cloudyday2 · Sep 13, 2019

Aussie Pete said:
Which book would that be? I've read some of the Quran and I stand by what I've said. I also note what some Muslims have done, are doing and threaten to do in the name of their god.

Here is an article that looks informative on the subject.

The punishment of stoning/Rajm or capital punishment for adultery is unique in Islamic law in that it conflicts with the Qur'anic prescription for premarital and extramarital sex (zina)[7][2] found in Surah an-Nur,2: "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication — flog each of them with a hundred stripes".[8] For this reason some minority Muslim sects such as Kharijites found in Iraq, and Islamic Modernists such as the Quranists disagree with the legality of rajm.

Rajm - Wikipedia

Yytz6 · Sep 13, 2019

cloudyday2 said:
Just to clarify, are you disagreeing with the OP due the choice of words "cats are REVERED in Muslim tradition"?

Well if it said "cats are liked" or something like that I could hardly object to be precise.

Would you agree that cats enjoy a higher status than dogs in Islam?

Not really, no. Dogs don't have a "low status". They're just not kept as pets.

cloudyday2 · Sep 13, 2019

Yytz6 said:
Dogs don't have a "low status". They're just not kept as pets.

Hypothetically what would happen if I am a dog owner, and I decide to convert to Islam? Would I be expected to give my dog up for adoption?

Yytz6 · Sep 13, 2019

cloudyday2 said:
Hypothetically what would happen if I am a dog owner, and I decide to convert to Islam? Would I be expected to give my dog up for adoption?

Expected by who? Some may say yes, some may say no. If you consider keeping a dog as a mere companion as prohibited then obviously you should find the dog a better place

cloudyday2 · Sep 13, 2019

Yytz6 said:
Expected by who? Some may say yes, some may say no. If you consider keeping a dog as a mere companion as prohibited then obviously you should find the dog a better place

What if I have a pet pig, and I decide to convert to Islam? I googled for that answer and found this interesting discussion from 2008 showing some willingness among Muslims to contemplate pet pigs. (I hope it is o.k. to link an old thread from a Muslim forum. I know that some forums have rules against referencing other forums, and I am not certain about CF's policies.)

Here is a quote from Woodrow who was also a contributor to CF in the past. I always enjoyed reading his posts.

This has been something I too have been trying to find a consensus about. Before reverting I used to raise dogs, Pot-Belly Pigs and Fiji Island Nesting pigs.

They are exceptionally clean and orderless animals. Any farmer will tell you that a pig is the cleanest farm animal, when you have a smelly pig it means you have a sick pig or one that is in too small of a space, overcrowded, or no access to fresh running water. Pigs love to swim in clean water, however, if no water is available they will try to swim in mud and filth, which is what many people think is the pigs choice, but it actually means the pig is mistreated.

http://www.pigs4ever.com/PotBellyPig...es/thekids.htm

I accept the fact that Allaah(swt) has made pigs haraam for us to eat. But, I think we are mistaken when we say they are haraam because they are nasty, smelly, etc. A pig is neither when properly cared for. I do not know why Allaah(swt) has made them haraam, but I do not need to know why.

Now as far as having them as a pet. Until somebody can show me that it is not haraam, I will assume it is.

Can you have pig pets in the Islam?

Aussie Pete · Sep 14, 2019

Yytz6 said:
Some of the Qur'an? Impressive..
Why don't you show me the verse that speaks of stoning of adulterers and killing of homosexuals.

My apologies. The references to stoning adulterers are in the hadiths, not the Quran.
I am aware that the usual punishment for adultery is whipping. That a woman can be raped and still punished as an adulteress bothers me. Brunei (not so far from Aus) created a firestorm of criticism by introducing the death penalty for homosexual acts. (The law was revoked). This punishment also is derived from hadiths. I am told by some Muslims that such (to me) severe punishments are due to more recent interpretations of Islamic law. Maybe, how do we know for sure? Now I am not in favour of adultery and I consider homosexuality a sin, as stated in the New Testament. Jesus said that the one without sin should throw the first stone. It's a somewhat different approach to most Muslim societies.

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