Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution
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Would you answer two questions for me please? How long have you been a Christian? What are your scientific qualifications? I have been a Christian for 76 years and have BSc, MSc and BEd.
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I already have. Using your own rationale.
KJV translators did not live in the age of increased knowledge. They translated the verses "HIS KIND"
Modern translators do live in the age of increased knowledge. They translate the verses "ITS KIND"
Therefore, by your own arguments, the verses are not referring to Jesus.
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Dance, Aman, dance. I have demonstrated your error, and your feeble response is to accuse me of not understanding. You have accused every poster who disagrees with you of lacking understanding and you have accused the translators of making errors.
Give me an honest answer to this question: is it possible you have made an error?
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What you call "irrefutable proof" is just weak-sauce post-hoc rationalization coupled with selective disregard for anything contradictory.
It's just confirmation bias at its worst.
Because you cherry-pick what you consider "factual science".
There is really nothing remotely impressive by what you are doing. Anyone could do the same regarding any claims about anything. Pick the things that agree; disregard anything that doesn't. Easy-peazy.
You really should read Carl Sagan's chapter in The Demon-Haunted World entitled "The Dragon in My Garage". It's a beautiful illustration of exactly the type of thinking you are engaging in here and the inherent flaws in it.
Assuming you're actually sincere and this isn't one giant troll-job.
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the iconoclast
Atheism is weak. Yep, I said it
Hey hey 46and2
If you say so. ;p
Congrats to me for understanding the gist of your illustration.
So you wanted to illustrate YOUR incredulity towards creationism by painting a picture of absurd claims and proofs in a hypothetical situation. So this is a comparison - a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people.
You were not pointing out a dissimilarity rather that a creationists claims and proofs are similar to your hypothetical situation. Your hypothetical situation is absurd and no different to claims by Creationists. I disagree.
Do you believe using electricity to illustrate your argument is a good comparison to Christian faith? How do you justify using it and why is electricity comparable to Christian faith, and what specifically is similar about electricity, and the God of Abraham?
So is birth? How would you relate these 4 examples to Christian faith?
Not all creationists have a set timeline. A Creationist does not nessaccarily mean a belief in 6000 yro earth, i hold on to one thing, God created it. Thats where my creationist view point starts and stops.
Heads up Im Pentecostal, we believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and Creation.
1 cor 2:2
For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified.
Heads up my dear this creationist does not believe the earth is 6000 yrs old nor do i disbelieve it is 6000 yrs. It could be 6 million, it could be 6 billion, it could be 6000 yrs old, it could be 6mins too early. I was not there so unfortunately i cannot comment.
Why is it important to you that the earth is not 6000 yrs old? How does it benefit you believing it is older?
How do they date the earth ie what technique is used?
You have not measured the age of the earth and have to accept and appeal to authority. Dont worry i too am in a similar situation.
Why do you agree with the consensus on the age of the earth and why is your position better than the creationist position?
My dear scientific discoveries are made by men. Men are clever things and can get things right. I have no issue with men discovering things through observation and testing.
I discover things through observation, measurement, hypothesis and testing - its called reasoning and i do it at work. I learn something new regularly and discover things which are true. I can prove if it is correct. It either worked or it didnt.
Dude i live in 2019 and i have a similar amount of access to information that you have.
I do not disagree with a tried, tested and true result. Men problem solve, this is why you may be healthy and have access to time saving equipment.
So because static electricity is not a lightning God ticklong you, therefore the earth was not created by the God of Abraham in 6000 years?
Why do you find it odd that the esrth was created in 6000 years?
Dont be shy, what is one example of incredulous creationist argument for the Christian God?
What is one example of a credulous evolutionist argument against the Christian God?
Why does it matter what i believe in?
Why do you think it matters to me what you believe in?
You hint it maybe a possibility the Christian God exists. No matter how ridiculously improbable this is to you, why is it still a small possibility?
If it is not the reason i think it is, what have you got?
You dont believe me - obviously - or else you wouldnt have said there is maybe another explanation?
Give me what you got, show me how i could be wrong or what i should consider?
I gave you my testimony on purpose - again. You gave me a hypothetical one so I give you a real one. I want to see how you react.
How do you feel about my claim?
Do you question my sincerity?
Do you question my sanity?
Why would you disbelieve me?"
So because there are 1000s of belief system therefore Christianty cannot be true?
In some of my experiences with conversing with atheists. There is always a sense of uncertainty, nothing is ever 100% or certain to happen.
Do you fall into this category?
How certain are you that the Christian God does not exist?
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the iconoclast
Atheism is weak. Yep, I said it
Hey big bear
Im being held up, i cant wait to converse with you.
Hey @Kylie, getting distracted here. This is my third discussion with 46and2 and i like where we are heading.
Hope you 2 are having a wonderful day
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I have been a Christian for more than 40 years and I have NEVER claimed any credentials in anything. Those who see what I post should follow the citations which I post from Scripture, science, history, genetics and math.
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False. Just because you don't see that Jesus and God the Trinity are the two separate "kinds", it's not my fault. Modern translators have "added" their unsupported ideas to what the verses actually say. They also reject the Truths discovered by Science, History, Genetics and Math, preferring instead to study the theological ideas of ancient men who lived more than 3k years ago.
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Sure. When I came online in the mid 90s, I thought Mitochondrial Eve was Biblical Eve. LucasPa showed me my error and I have changed my mind. Paul Lucas later called me a child of Satan because I didn't agree with him about godless evolution.
BTW, I don't dance but you should go on Dancing with the Stars.
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Sorry, I need to explain the citations to unbelievers:
Sure. Adam was "formed" temporarily by Lord God on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4-7
Gen 2:7 ¶ And the LORD God (YHWH/Jesus) formed man
Adam was ALSO "created" eternally by God the Trinity on the 6th Day. Genesis 1:27
Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image,
Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16. Hint. Notice that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, of the Trinity are present in each citation. Amen?
It would be easier for you to understand IF you would click on the link.
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Amen, and yet you accept the incorrect ideas of Darwin.
Close, but "living" creatures are Eternal creatures created eternally by God the Trinity. Genesis 1:21 The creatures made from the ground are the common ancestors, subject to death, and were made by Lord God/Jesus, the Son of God. Genesis 2:7
Take your mouse and click on the light blue citations I have already made OR do you think God just lied to us?
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It's not my idea, but it is God's.
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of My Spirit upon ALL flesh:
Since I have collected many proofs that only God could have possibly written Genesis since it contains details of recent scientific discoveries, which happen in the last days, and NO one can refute a single one of them, and they agree with every other discovered Truth, I will continue to proclaim them until refuted. Want to try?
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Today, ole Carl is proclaiming his agreement with Scripture, and wants everyone to think he was always a Creationist. In the end, many will claim to be converted Creationists.
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You're just mad because you cannot refute my views in ANY way. I'm sorry. Perhaps you could change your SN in order to escape future embarrassment.
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Hey hey 46and2
If you say so. ;p
Congrats to me for understanding the gist of your illustration.
So you wanted to illustrate YOUR incredulity towards creationism by painting a picture of absurd claims and proofs in a hypothetical situation. So this is a comparison - a consideration or estimate of the similarities or dissimilarities between two things or people.
You were not pointing out a dissimilarity rather that a creationists claims and proofs are similar to your hypothetical situation. Your hypothetical situation is absurd and no different to claims by Creationists. I disagree.
Do you believe using electricity to illustrate your argument is a good comparison to Christian faith?
No. A good comparison for the claims that some Christians make. In fact, they were modeled after actual claims I've heard, concerning pareidolia, amazement at innocuous events, confirmation bias, etc.
It was an analogy for claims which cause incredulity, modeled after common claims I've heard and read made by many Christians.
It was an analogy for claims which cause incredulity, modeled after common claims I've heard and read made by many Christians.
Ok. I'm well aware of that.
Ok, but we were speaking about creationists in general, and the 6000 year old earth thing is only one example of many.
Look, you said that atheists seem to have an elitist attitude toward creationists. Full stop. Creationists in general. That was what I was responding to. You didn't say, "they have an elitist attitude toward my beliefs."
You don't believe in a 6000 year old earth? Great, I have no reason to be incredulous about that particular claim, FOR YOU. Creationists in general, though, wouldn't you say it's a pretty frequent claim, hmmm?
I find the science behind discovering when things in history happened to be quite fascinating.
I could not possibly list all the techniques, there are far too many, including some, I'm sure, I haven't even learned about yet. Why is this important to you?
No I don't. I can, and have, learned the process by which they do so in many cases. I can see the measured data for myself. I can compare how different, independent techniques, measured by different types of scientists corroborate each other.
because I learned how the techniques they use work.
Because creationists arguments against those techniques is based ENTIRELY on misrepresentation and misunderstanding of those techniques. Is this where you slyly change what you mean by creationists, again, or are we actually talking about young earth creationists this time?
And women, even, too! So are Biblical interpretations.
Great. Good to know.
Not sure where you're going with this. You think scientists have somehow skipped try, test, and true results when determining the earth is far, far older than the YEC believe?
Wrong. There is no causation between the two. The comparison was to demonstrate that both claims a similarly absurd.
Because we have known it is far older than that for a couple of centuries now. In fact, we have known this for longer than we have known what causes electricity.
You asked two dozen questions in your last post. I don't have time to get to them all right now. Maybe later.
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