Benny Hinn (might surprise you)

Bible Highlighter said:

Well, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. God wants us to not be overly concerned with material goods or the accumulation of great amounts of wealth and health. That is not why we are here.

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Everyone knows that.

And that is not what you have been saying.

His student said:

Everyone knows that.

And that is not what you have been saying.

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Everything lines up with what I have been saying. There is no contradiction unless you want there to be one. Job suffered greatly. His wealth and health and even his children were taken away by God. So the prosperity gospel that says that you must have wealth, and health as a part of God's will is simply not true. This is the point that I am trying to make that you are not getting.

topher694 said:

.......I don't prescribe to the types of things Benny Hinn does myself. But I hate the term "Prosperity Gospel". It vilifies the good, true biblical aspects of prosperity along with the bad. And that is just as out of balance as what he has done.........

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I dislike the Hinn ministry and Hinn style myself. I also feel the same about Kenneth Copeland and several others.

I'll even go so far as to say that I dislike them personally - in so far as that is possible without ever having met them.

But I also really have a problem with people who throw out the baby with the bath water in so far as solid biblical doctrine goes and particularly with those who misrepresent what they teach.

Hinn, so far as I know, has never linked personal salvation with either subscribing to or entering into wealth and prosperity.

"Bible Highlighter" on the other hand has clearly linked salvation to poverty and lack of health. He only did it, however, after being pinned down on it. If he had had his way - it never would have come out and he would have been able to slander Hinn without being called on his slander.

Bible Highlighter said:

This is the point that I am trying to make that you are not getting.

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Oh I get that point completely and then some.

It's the "then some" that I take exception with you about.

You have accused Hinn of preaching a false gospel and even said that his transgressions are due more than rebukes from the church and from God.

You have very clearly said that He is due loss of salvation for preaching a false gospel.

topher694 said:

I went to a Hinn meeting once yeeears ago when I was very new in my walk with God. I remember being quite skeptical about what was going on. I never went to another one. I gravitated away from much of that "style". But, that being said, I'll say this: That night Hinn taught a "salvation" message. It was by far the best, most articulate yet easy to understand message of that sort I had ever heard before or since. And, not once did he even mention finances during that message.

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I went to a Benny Hinn meeting myself some 30 or 40 years ago.

It wasn't really my cup of tea either. But I don't remember any false representations of the salvation gospel.

I've always been one who held rather "eclectic" theological views. Kind of a charismatic, reformed, free will Baptist/predestination, pre tribulation, pre millennial, tongue speaking, anti limited atonement, Presbyterian type - just like the Holy Spirit.

It's hard believing "all" that the scriptures teach. But I've always attempted to give it my best shot.

I've always loved debating theology and one of the hardest things about it is the assumptions people automatically make about your beliefs when you begin to expound on a particular subject.

This thread is no different than many others I have participated in. People like to label other people and when you refuse to be pigeon holed - they tend to go negative or to construct straw men to slap around.

His student said:

I dislike the Hinn ministry and Hinn style myself. I also feel the same about Kenneth Copeland and several others.

I'll even go so far as to say that I dislike them personally - in so far as that is possible without ever having met them.

But I also really have a problem with people who throw out the baby with the bath water in so far as solid biblical doctrine goes and particularly with those who misrepresent what they teach.

Hinn, so far as I know, has never linked personal salvation with either subscribing to or entering into wealth and prosperity.

"Bible Highlighter" on the other hand has clearly linked salvation to poverty and lack of health. He only did it, however, after being pinned down on it. If he had had his way - it never would have come out and he would have been able to slander Hinn without being called on his slander.

Oh I get that point completely and then some.

It's the "then some" that I take exception with you about.

You have accused Hinn of preaching a false gospel and even said that his transgressions are due more than rebukes from the church and from God.

You have very clearly said that He is due loss of salvation for preaching a false gospel.

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Yes, Hinn has had a long record of preaching a false gospel of wealth and prosperity.

Benny Hinn's own website says this:


Notice the website statement of faith here does not have the same reaction that you are giving. They simply say that it is misused in today's language, but then they go on to defend biblical prosperity.

if you were to read the full version of their frequently asked questions page on this answer (Note: This link is provided within this post), they give no real definition of the biblical gospel. They just jump into their prosperity spiel.

In fact, Benny cannot help but to stop talking about giving money when he talks about on how the Bible defines the gospel (See: 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 for a real description of the true gospel).

But Benny has a different idea of the gospel.
Just read this article here:

https://www.bennyhinn.org/enewsletter/he-is-risen/

Just reread 1 Corinthians 15. It mentions nothing about how you must give as a part of the gospel.

Benny is all about how you need to give.
His website has not changed.

I mean it is pretty bad that you have to have a frequently asked questions page explaining his so called biblical prosperity message that says: "Give us money and you will be blessed."

https://www.bennyhinn.org/about/frequently-asked-questions/

Yet the apostle Paul says this:


Yet, you seem intent on defending him in some small way.

As recently as three weeks ago, ... Benny Hinn Ministries posted a video in which the televangelist said “a financial miracle demands a financial act.”

Others have claimed online that his ministry posted and then deleted a video in which he asks viewers to send him $120 even after Hinn’s most recent announcement. They’ve also said that his previous statements are proof this week’s disavowal isn’t genuine.

Just watch this video:


If after watching these videos and checking out his website does not convince you that he preaches another gospel (The death, burial, and resurrection of Christ + give us money to help spread the gospel so you can be blessed financially and health wise), then I don't know what to say. You can believe what you want. But his own website, and videos make it clear. He is compelling people to give money to further the gospel, when he should be helping them personally to do so. Paul said he made the gospel without charge so that he did not abuse his power in the gospel.

For me, it is pretty obvious he is preaching something different than what Jesus and his followers taught us.


Source used:
Is televangelist Benny Hinn renouncing the prosperity gospel? - Religion News Service

So yeah. Benny Hinn is not surprising me. He has not changed his prosperity gospel spiel on his own website. He does not even explain what the true gospel is when the word "gospel" is mentioned.

The gospel is this:


Nothing is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15 about how we must give as a part of the gospel so that we can blessed. Yes, there is a law or reaping and sowing, but that is not a part of the gospel or the good news. Giving so that we can be financially blessed and healthy is not the focus of the ministry of Jesus Christ. Many Christians were persecuted, put into prison, and they had medical problems. Paul had a thorn in his flesh. Timothy had infirmities in his stomach. Paul did not tell Timothy to give Paul money so that he could be cure of his stomach problems.

In fact, their demand for money so you can be blessed by God along with preaching the gospel reminds me of this part of Scripture:


In this situation, after Simon the sorcerer received the gospel, he was later presented with an opportunity to receive the Holy Ghost and the power thereof. Simon tried to offer money as a part of this, and Peter said that his heart was not right with God as a result of such. The point here is that when we receive Christ as a part of the gospel, we receive the Holy Spirit. God is not interested in our money so as to gain favor with him. This is what was wrong with Simon the sorcerer's heart. He thought he could gain favor with God in the receiving of the Spirit by paying money when the Holy Spirit is a free gift of God to freely be received.

That is why I have a problem with the Hinn ministries. They think the blessings of God are financial and health wise, when the true blessings come from having a relationship with the Creator and Savior. The true blessings are the fruits of the Spirit, and not filthy lucre.

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Getting back to Hinn:

Well, to top it off, here are many of Hinn's failed crazy prophecies, as well.

Benny Hinn - A False Prophet

His own statement of faith page says:

Deliverance from sickness is provided for in the atonement and is the privilege of all believers (Isaiah 53:4-5; Matthew 8:16-17).

Source:
https://www.bennyhinn.org/about/faith-statement/

Not sure if you are catching this. They say cure from sickness is provided for as a part of the atonement for all believers. The atonement is what Christ did for us on the cross. Hinn is saying here that the death of Christ provides away for us to have deliverance of healing on a physical level. This is a part of his health and wealth gospel. Good things must come to you because you are a child of God. But Scripture says all who live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution (2 Timothy 3:12).

Bible Highlighter said:

His own statement of faith page says:
Deliverance from sickness is provided for in the atonement and is the privilege of all believers (Isaiah 53:4-5; Matthew 8:16-17).
Source:
https://www.bennyhinn.org/about/faith-statement/
Not sure if you are catching this. They say cure from sickness is provided for as a part of the atonement for all believers. The atonement is what Christ did for us on the cross. Hinn is saying here that the death of Christ provides away for us to have deliverance of healing on a physical level. This is a part of his health and wealth gospel. Good things must come to you because you are a child of God.

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Pretty sure you don't catch what the scriptures teach on this subject. You are blinded by your hatred of your brother Benny.

Then again perhaps it's just your way of covering your own lack of faith in so far as the present Lordship of Jesus and a lack of access by faith to your position in the Kingdom of God where you are seated with Him in the heavenlies (giving your position in the Lord the benefit of doubt).

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. If you adjust your understanding of the Word of God to align with your lack of faith (as you are obviously doing) rather than the other way around - you will never be a man of faith.

"Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they think they have will be taken from them." Luke 8:18 etc.

Isaiah 53 is the greatest and most overarching statement of Christ's work at Calvary on behalf of His people in the O.T.

"Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the Lord has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him." Isaiah 53:4-6

"He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed." 1 Peter 2:24

If there be any doubt about the fact that the scriptures are talking about physical healing in the Isaiah passage and that healing is part of the atoning work of Jesus Christ - Matthew puts it to rest.

"And when Jesus entered Peter's house, he saw his mother-in-law lying sick with a fever. He touched her hand, and the fever left her, and she rose and began to serve him. That evening they brought to him many who were oppressed by demons, and he cast out the spirits with a word and healed all who were sick. This was to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet Isaiah: “He took our illnesses and bore our diseases.” Matthew 8:14-17

Benny Hinn obviously has his faults. But ignoring and refusing to preach healing in the atonement is not one of them.

P.S.
i've done you the courtesy of reading all of the material you have referenced for me. For the most part you remain - full of ill founded error caused by your hatred of Benny Hinn.

I won't be reading any more of your posts since you are obviously off the rails on this subject.

Any legitimate criticism you may have for Benny Hinn and his ministries is clouded over by your illegitimate criticism.

Heck - you haven't yet been able to even touch on the many legitimate criticisms you could level against Benny and his practices because of your blind hatred and or personal lack of faith.

That will do it for me.

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." Proverbs 26:4

Halbhh said:

You will not have omniscience on this Earth in this mortal life, but you do have revealed to you mysteries that were hidden since the beginning, even from the prophets, as Christ said. That's many deep things, now revealed to us! But not all the way to total omniscience. Just one example: none of us will know the exact day or hour of the 2nd coming. Christ said so, and that makes it fact.

So, that's something you cannot know, as a certainty. Therefore, the "all things" are all things that matter for the salvation of your soul, but not all things in all the Universe.

It matters not even a bit whether a person has some special knowledge of some small details of creation, for their salvation.

Not at all.

Salvation is based on faith in Christ, alone. And faith comes through hearing, and hearing comes through the Word of Christ.

I don't believe your theories of creation, but instead I believe what I read in the Bible, see.

You should be glad for that.

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I do not have a hatred of Benny Hinn as a person. I believe God wants me to hate the sin and love the sinner. It is the belief that I hate, and not Benny as a person. Yes, I am aware that Isaiah 53:4-5 and Matthew 8:16-17 appears to teach that men were healed by Christ's atonement. I do acknowledge that this happened by the hands of the disciples or the early church (Before the cross and even for a time after the cross). I believe Christ gave the 12, and some of His other apostles the gift to heal. This was 100% healing all the time. This was for the purpose to confirm the Word.

"And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen." (Mark 16:20).

While God can still do miracles today by the atonement, I believe it is not a gift that is given to any one believer anymore. If this is not the case, then please point me in the right direction to find a believer today who can heal 100% of the time like the early apostles were able to do. For if Benny really is healing people 100% of the time, and the healing lasts, people would be going to him instead of the doctor. That is why he is preaching falsely.

Bible Highlighter said:

I do not have a hatred of Benny Hinn as a person. I believe God wants me to hate the sin and love the sinner. It is the belief that I hate, and not Benny as a person. Yes, I am aware that Isaiah 53:4-5 and Matthew 8:16-17 appears to teach that men were healed by Christ's atonement. I do acknowledge that this happened by the hands of the disciples or the early church (Before the cross and even for a time after the cross). I believe Christ gave the 12, and some of His other apostles the gift to heal. This was 100% healing all the time. This was for the purpose to confirm the Word.

"And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen." (Mark 16:20).

While God can still do miracles today by the atonement, I believe it is not a gift that is given to any one believer anymore. If this is not the case, then please point me in the right direction to find a believer today who can heal 100% of the time like the early apostles were able to do. For if Benny really is healing people 100% of the time, and the healing lasts, people would be going to him instead of the doctor. That is why he is preaching falsely.

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Oddly this post from a thread about Genesis 1-3 somehow got here in this "Binny Hinn" thread. (!?) If you trace the link back, it's not from this Binny Hinn thread.

I don't know who Binny Hinn is, nor anything about him.

Halbhh said:

Oddly this post from a thread about Genesis 1-3 somehow got here in this "Binny Hinn" thread. (!?) If you trace the link back, it's not from this Binny Hinn thread.

I don't know who Binny Hinn is, nor anything about him.

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Right, I posted it by mistake in the Genesis thread. I got my chrome tabs mixed up in replying. I immediately took it out, soon as I seen it. It was only on the other thread for a few seconds. Maybe like 5-7 seconds at most.

Anyways, may the Lord’s peace be upon you today.

Benny Hinn spends some time clarifying his statements earlier this month. I for on really hope that he is genuine and that God is working on his heart and that he is changing.

The fact is the Benny Hinn is an influencer, and I think there is potential here for God to really be glorified.

But as they say, the proof is in the tasting of the pudding... It would be neat to see him give away most of his wealth, as I think that will be the real testimony to whether or not he has actually changed.

Yes, I would like to be proven wrong in this instance. I want to believe Hinn will give away his wealth to the poor and he will live more a humble life for the Lord and he will teach against sin, etc.; Not sure that is going to happen for him. Only the Lord knows.

SPF said:

Benny Hinn spends some time clarifying his statements earlier this month. I for on really hope that he is genuine and that God is working on his heart and that he is changing.

The fact is the Benny Hinn is an influencer, and I think there is potential here for God to really be glorified.

But as they say, the proof is in the tasting of the pudding... It would be neat to see him give away most of his wealth, as I think that will be the real testimony to whether or not he has actually changed.

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Benny Hinn wants to follow the Master Jesus and take up his cross, then he could put his money where his mouth is and give away his riches that he made by telling people they would be "blessed by God for planting a seed of faith".
Sounds to me that Hinn doesn't want his gravy train to stop.

Mark 10: 22 21Jesus looked at him, loved him, and said to him, “There is one thing you lack: Go, sell everything you own and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow Me.” 22But the man was saddened by these words and went away in sorrow, because he had great wealth. 23Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”…