Benny Hinn (might surprise you)

Pavel Mosko · Sep 7, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
So yeah, you shouldn't defend a man who is in obvious error in many ways in regards to the Scriptures.

I am exercising proportionality as prescribed by the Bible in many places starting with the Penteuch eg. "eye for an eye" passage. As far as the scriptures go there are ones that describe being heavy handed aka Judging your neighbor, judging "another man's servant" etc.

As far as Hinn goes you do not know everything about him including his heart and motivations. It is certainly fair to criticize some of his specific behavior and teaching when it is out of bounds. e.g. - He has in the past, proposed some bizarre deviation from Trinitarianism (all the Trinity have a body, soul and spirit) and been taken to task for it. He has also back in the days post 9-11 encouraged folks to run their credit cards in a TBN channel fundraiser believing that the rapture was coming soon and they would not need to pay it back and claimed they would be greatly blessed by it! That last one is something that he seems to have largely gotten away with except for heresy hunter cites.

In the NT definition of truth Alethia is truth in the objective sense. My supplying all the info (even the positive) is an attempt at that. It also is an attempt at justice because justice going back to the OT is not just piling on someone because they are the designated target of righteous indignation but dealing with them from an even hand.

Endeavourer · Sep 9, 2019

Interesting thread, @topher694

If he has realized that evange-profiteering is wrong, perhaps he will develop an aversion to the money he has made off doing so and get rid of every cent. I understand he's worth $60 Million today.

In reality, if he would do so, he would rapidly accumulate untold riches very quickly again without even asking for offerings because the one asset he would not liquidate would be his devoted and fervent installed base (his ATM). They would likely continue their regular offerings to him.

topher694 · Sep 9, 2019

Endeavourer said:
Interesting thread, @topher694

If he has realized that evange-profiteering is wrong, perhaps he will develop an aversion to the money he has made off doing so and get rid of every cent. I understand he's worth $60 Million today.

In reality, if he would do so, he would rapidly accumulate untold riches very quickly again without even asking for offerings because the one asset he would not liquidate would be his devoted and fervent installed base (his ATM). They would likely continue their regular offerings to him.

I agree, while he doesn't need to give away anything to repent (if you can't buy the blessing, you can't buy repentance... though it would clearly be a good idea), if he did give away his millions think of the message that would send! Whether he ever receives any financial blessing (the correct way) in the future or not would pale in comparison to the impact it would make on the world. It would be global news. It would send a powerful message about the redemptive and generous nature of Christianity that could not be ignored. It would put incredible pressure on others who are pulling this stuff to stop. It could open up the eyes of millions. In other words it could have massive ripple effects... *IF*

Pedra · Sep 9, 2019

It would be more like showing he is sincere by, "Putting his $$$ money where his mouth is!"

Bible Highlighter · Sep 9, 2019

Endeavourer said:
Interesting thread, @topher694

If he has realized that evange-profiteering is wrong, perhaps he will develop an aversion to the money he has made off doing so and get rid of every cent. I understand he's worth $60 Million today.

In reality, if he would do so, he would rapidly accumulate untold riches very quickly again without even asking for offerings because the one asset he would not liquidate would be his devoted and fervent installed base (his ATM). They would likely continue their regular offerings to him.

The problem is that Hinn sees the prosperity gospel as merely a rebuke by the Lord and not a loss of salvation. He suggested he would merely be rebuked for such a thing by the Lord. I believe the prosperity gospel is a false gospel altogether. Hinn needs to reject it by no longer benefiting from such a gospel (Otherwise he is just speaking empty words that do not line up with his actions).

Bible Highlighter · Sep 9, 2019

Pavel Mosko said:
I am exercising proportionality as prescribed by the Bible in many places starting with the Penteuch eg. "eye for an eye" passage. As far as the scriptures go there are ones that describe being heavy handed aka Judging your neighbor, judging "another man's servant" etc.

As far as Hinn goes you do not know everything about him including his heart and motivations. It is certainly fair to criticize some of his specific behavior and teaching when it is out of bounds. e.g. - He has in the past, proposed some bizarre deviation from Trinitarianism (all the Trinity have a body, soul and spirit) and been taken to task for it. He has also back in the days post 9-11 encouraged folks to run their credit cards in a TBN channel fundraiser believing that the rapture was coming soon and they would not need to pay it back and claimed they would be greatly blessed by it! That last one is something that he seems to have largely gotten away with except for heresy hunter cites.

In the NT definition of truth Alethia is truth in the objective sense. My supplying all the info (even the positive) is an attempt at that. It also is an attempt at justice because justice going back to the OT is not just piling on someone because they are the designated target of righteous indignation but dealing with them from an even hand.

One's heart and motivations can be seen by their outward actions. So far he is holding on to great amounts of wealth (Which is contrary to New Testament teaching - 1 Timothy 6:9-11).

Bible Highlighter · Sep 9, 2019

His student said:
I suppose it would be best if I went through the entire thread and looked at every post. But I just don't have the time right now.

But it seems to me that the OP video isn't exactly clear about what Mr. Hinn is renouncing.

Is it the entire biblical package concerning the principle of giving and receiving or is it just the many and certain ways that the teaching has been abused in Word of Faith circles?

I doubt that it is the former - nor should it be.

Although he isn't clear about it - perhaps it's the giving of a certain amount (e.g. the $1000 he mentioned) and expecting a commensurate blessing from the Lord as a result. I.e. - the Word of Faith equivalent of the heretical bought and paid for Catholic Mass.

I think we need more from Benny Hinn in order to better determine exactly what it is that he is denouncing before we comment.

Perhaps you could shed more light on things from other things he has said about it.

He certainly is not denouncing his extreme wealth (by saying he is giving it up).
That means he is still benefiting from his previous prosperity gospel and sees no real problem with it.
He is just using words as a smoke screen or as a new tactic to deceive more people.

Pavel Mosko · Sep 9, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
One's heart and motivations can be seen by their outward actions. So far he is holding on to great amounts of wealth (Which is contrary to New Testament teaching - 1 Timothy 6:9-11).

I don't deny that aspect of things that is one thing that I think is problematic for all the Health and Wealth gospel folks especially when they do ministry in the 3rd World. While their have been believers in the past that are wealthy starting with Abraham, King David etc. nobody in the Bible was wealthy via making their money solely by preaching or other kinds of ministry.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 9, 2019

Pavel Mosko said:
I don't deny that aspect of things that is one thing that I think is problematic for all the Health and Wealth gospel folks especially when they do ministry in the 3rd World. While their have been believers in the past that are wealthy starting with Abraham, King David etc. nobody in the Bible was wealthy via making their money solely by preaching or other kinds of ministry.

They are sending forth a different gospel. Their gospel is not focused on the acceptance of Christ and in living like the Lord had lived. Their gospel is about prosperity and living your best life now (Which is not what Christ lived). We are told to follow Jesus and His example. The prosperity preachers are not following Christ's example or life. They are for following your best life now.

As for the Old Covenant: That would be another covenant. It's not the same one. We obviously do not offer animal sacrifices anymore. Also, Abraham was not rich by the same standards of the world that prosperity preachers are rich. David may have been a close, but he was a king. Not everyone in the Old Covenant were kings. He was an exception to the rule of living. God did not call all men of God to live a life of controlling great assets of wealth. But even kings were told in Scripture not to amass more wealth than what they had. So the focus of following the Lord did not include a false prosperity gospel.

His student · Sep 9, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
He certainly is not denouncing his extreme wealth (by saying he is giving it up). That means he is still benefiting from his previous prosperity gospel and sees no real problem with it..

Exactly.

You are right in noting that he has not denounced his extreme wealth in any way let alone by saying he is giving it up.

Which is my point. Why are people commenting on the video in the OP as if he said that he no longer believed in prosperity? He clearly does not say that.

Bible Highlighter said:
The problem is that Hinn sees the prosperity gospel as merely a rebuke by the Lord and not a loss of salvation. He suggested he would merely be rebuked for such a thing by the Lord. I believe the prosperity gospel is a false gospel altogether. Hinn needs to reject it by no longer benefiting from such a gospel (Otherwise he is just speaking empty words that do not line up with his actions).

Neither Hinn nor anyone else who preaches that receiving in the measure one gives is a biblical principle - call it the prosperity "gospel" (or "good news") - although it is indeed good news if it is biblical (which it is).

The critics of those biblical principles are the one who try to combat what the scriptures clearly teach by deriding those who advocate those principles as preaching "the prosperity gospel".

It is done in order to portray certain folks as believing a false gospel other than faith in the work of Christ as their hope of salvation.

While there may well be those in that particular movement who haven't believed the simple gospel in a saving way (as I believe there clearly are) - that can be said for any number of people and groups from Orthodox, to mainline Protestants, to Roman Catholics, to so called Messianic Christian groups.

One could say that anyone teaching that physical healing by receiving by faith and administering physical healing by faith is for us today is preaching the "healing gospel".

Of course, their teaching would be and is "good news" to those hearing it and entering into the benefits of that teaching.

But it would not be a "false gospel" at all in so far as the message concerning the basis for our salvation is concerned. No one is teaching that one must be healed and or administer healing, or even believe in it, as a means of salvation in the justifying sense.

In like manner - no one is substituting the concept of receiving from God based on the measure we as believers give as another way to salvation in the basic sense.

To portray the idea of the possibility and means to prosperity for God's people as being linked somehow to their giving practices equating to "another gospel" is disingenuous to say the least if not an outright lie about your brothers and sisters in Christ.

If you disagree with their interpretation of the scripture teaching concerning giving and receiving - then refute it from the scriptures.

If you disagree with those who interpret the scriptures as teaching that healing is for today --- fine - do the same.

If you disagree with those who interpret the scriptures as teaching that tongues are for today --- fine - do the same.

But lets not have any dishonest insults about them teaching the "prosperity gospel", the "healing gospel", or the "tongues gospel" and saying that the result should not just be a "rebuke" from the Lord - but a "loss of salvation".

Shame on you.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 9, 2019

His student said:
Exactly.

You are right in noting that he has not denounced his extreme wealth in any way let alone by saying he is giving it up.

Which is my point. Why are people commenting on the video in the OP as if he said that he no longer believed in prosperity? He clearly does not say that.

Neither Hinn nor anyone else who preaches that receiving in the measure one gives is a biblical principle - call it the prosperity "gospel" (or "good news") - although it is indeed good news if it is biblical (which it is).

The critics of those biblical principles are the one who try to combat what the scriptures clearly teach by deriding those who advocate those principles as preaching "the prosperity gospel".

It is done in order to portray certain folks as believing a false gospel other than faith in the work of Christ as their hope of salvation.

While there may well be those in that particular movement who haven't believed the simple gospel in a saving way (as I believe there clearly are) - that can be said for any number of people and groups from Orthodox, to mainline Protestants, to Roman Catholics, to so called Messianic Christian groups.

One could say that anyone teaching that physical healing by receiving by faith and administering physical healing by faith is for us today is preaching the "healing gospel".

Of course, their teaching would be and is "good news" to those hearing it and entering into the benefits of that teaching.

But it would not be a "false gospel" at all in so far as the message concerning the basis for our salvation is concerned. No one is teaching that one must be healed and or administer healing, or even believe in it, as a means of salvation in the justifying sense.

In like manner - no one is substituting the concept of receiving from God based on the measure we as believers give as another way to salvation in the basic sense.

To portray the idea of the possibility and means to prosperity for God's people as being linked somehow to their giving practices equating to "another gospel" is disingenuous to say the least if not an outright lie about your brothers and sisters in Christ.

If you disagree with their interpretation of the scripture teaching concerning giving and receiving - then refute it from the scriptures.

If you disagree with those who interpret the scriptures as teaching that healing is for today --- fine - do the same.

If you disagree with those who interpret the scriptures as teaching that tongues are for today --- fine - do the same.

But lets not have any dishonest insults about them teaching the "prosperity gospel", the "healing gospel", or the "tongues gospel" and saying that the result should not just be a "rebuke" from the Lord - but a "loss of salvation".

Shame on you.

The prosperity gospel is another term for prosperity theology.

Prosperity Theology is a controversial religious belief among some Protestant Christians, who hold that financial blessing and physical well-being are always the will of God for them, and that faith, positive speech, and donations to religious causes will increase one's material wealth.[1] Prosperity theology views the Bible as a contract between God and humans: if humans have faith in God, he will deliver security and prosperity.

Source:
Prosperity theology - Wikipedia

In the prosperity gospel, the believer is told to use God, whereas the truth of biblical Christianity is just the opposite—God uses the believer. Prosperity theology sees the Holy Spirit as a power to be put to use for whatever the believer wills. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is a Person who enables the believer to do God's will. The prosperity gospel movement closely resembles some of the destructive greed sects that infiltrated the early church. Paul and the other apostles were not accommodating to or conciliatory with the false teachers who propagated such heresy. They identified them as dangerous false teachers and urged Christians to avoid them.

Paul warned Timothy about such men in 1 Timothy 6:5, 9-11. These men of “corrupt mind” supposed godliness was a means of gain and their desire for riches was a trap that brought them “into ruin and destruction” (v. 9). The pursuit of wealth is a dangerous path for Christians and one which God warns about: “For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs” (v. 10).

Source:
What does the Bible say about the prosperity gospel? | GotQuestions.org

The problem with the prosperity gospel movement is that their main message is always about prosperity and it is not primarily about salvation in Jesus Christ and in living according to His ways found in the New Testament. It's about your best life now.

As for salvation being in having a belief alone in Christ:

Well, then if that was the case, then that would mean anyone who believes in Jesus would be saved despite what one did. A person can commit all manner of sins and live however they like and be saved as long as they have a belief alone on Jesus. But that is not what the Bible teaches (See Luke 10:25-28, Matthew 19:17-19, Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 25:21, Matthew 25:30, Matthew 25:31-46, 1 John 3:15, Galatians 5:18-21, Romans 8:13, 1 John 1:7, Hebrews 5:9, Revelation 21:8).

His student · Sep 9, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
Prosperity theology - Wikipedia

Ahhh - Wikipedia -- that great primary source of systematic theology for the Body of Christ in these later days. :bow:

Bible Highlighter said:
Prosperity Theology is a controversial religious belief among some Protestant Christians, who hold that financial blessing and physical well-being are always the will of God for them, and that faith, positive speech, and donations to religious causes will increase one's material wealth.

Which is exactly what the scriptures teach if you substitute the word "may" for the word "will" concerning any increase in one's wealth - which is what is taught by all prosperity teachers. There are always exceptions to receiving many of God's blessings and the exceptions are always the fault of the creation and not the creator.

Bible Highlighter said:
Prosperity Theology is a controversial religious belief among some Protestant Christians, who hold that financial blessing and physical well-being are always the will of God for them, and that faith, positive speech, and donations to religious causes will increase one's material wealth.[1] Prosperity theology views the Bible as a contract between God and humans: if humans have faith in God, he will deliver security and prosperity.

Right on. Couldn't have said it better myself.

"Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need."
Micah 3:10

"Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” Luke 6:38

"For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith." Mark 11:23

Bible Highlighter said:
Prosperity theology sees the Holy Spirit as a power to be put to use for whatever the believer wills. The Bible teaches that the Holy Spirit is a Person who enables the believer to do God's will.

No prosperity teacher I know of teaches what you allege here.

Bible Highlighter said:
The problem with the prosperity gospel movement is that their main message is always about prosperity and it is not primarily about salvation in Jesus Christ and in living according to His ways found in the New Testament. It's about your best life now.

Simply not true. Often that is true. But it is not always true.

Bible Highlighter said:
As for salvation being in having a belief alone in Christ:
Well, then if that was the case, then that would mean anyone who believes in Jesus would be saved despite what one did. A person can commit all manner of sins and live however they like and be saved as long as they have a belief alone on Jesus. But that is not what the Bible teaches

Why doesn't it surprise me that you do not believe that a person, once saved, is saved forever?

You rail against those who teach that God is faithful in fulfilling all of His Word. At the same time you deny that He Who began a good work in us will complete in the end it for His glory and to honor His Word.

I can't and won't defend all that is done by the likes of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and the other prosperity teachers. Heck - I won't even venture an opinion as to whether they are indeed saved.

You may not agree with healing, prosperity, and faith teachers. Heck - I probably would agree with you on many things concerning them.

But you sir have simply jumped the rails when it comes to expressing your dislike for all that they stand for including those things which are quite biblical.

Their rendition of what the scriptures indicate that it takes to be saved may in many cases be off the mark.

But the false gospel concerning salvation is no more preached in those circles than it is in many others - most notably in this particular forum.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 9, 2019

His student said:
Ahhh - Wikipedia -- that great primary source of systematic theology for the Body of Christ in these later days.

Which is exactly what the scriptures teach if you substitute the word "may" for the word "will" concerning any increase in one's wealth - which is what is taught by all prosperity teachers. There are always exceptions to receiving many of God's blessings and the exceptions are always the fault of the creation and not the creator.

Right on. Couldn't have said it better myself.

"Bring the full tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of hosts, if I will not open the windows of heaven for you and pour down for you a blessing until there is no more need."
Micah 3:10

"Give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you.” Luke 6:38

"For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith." Mark 11:23

No prosperity teacher I know of teaches what you allege here.

Simply not true. Often that is true. But it is not always true.

Why doesn't it surprise me that you do not believe that a person, once saved, is saved forever?

You rail against those who teach that God is faithful in fulfilling all of His Word. At the same time you deny that He Who began a good work in us will complete in the end it for His glory and to honor His Word.

I can't and won't defend all that is done by the likes of Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland and the other prosperity teachers. Heck - I won't even venture an opinion as to whether they are indeed saved.

You may not agree with healing, prosperity, and faith teachers. Heck - I probably would agree with you on many things concerning them.

But you sir have simply jumped the rails when it comes to expressing your dislike for all that they stand for including those things which are quite biblical.

Their rendition of what the scriptures indicate that it takes to be saved may in many cases be off the mark.

But the false gospel concerning salvation is no more preached in those circles than it is in many others - most notably in this particular forum.

There is no use debating this topic continually if you cannot see the obvious problems with Hinn, and others who promote that we can have our best life now. I would encourage you to do a study on 1 Timothy 6:9-11 for a long while in prayer, my friend. If you come out of that study thinking that we can live like Hinn from reading that passage, I would say that you are not reading such a passage plainly in what it says.

His student · Sep 9, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
There is no use debating this topic continually if you cannot see the obvious problems with Hinn, and others who promote that we can have our best life now. I would encourage you to do a study on 1 Timothy 6:9-11 for a long while in prayer, my friend. If you come out of that study thinking that we can live like Hinn from reading that passage, I would say that you are not reading such a passage plainly in what it says.

I have studied it before and have studied it again just now.

It says nothing about such people preaching a false gospel and being deserving of having their salvation taken from them, as you suggest, rather than suffering strong rebukes from the Lord or suffering great loss at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

I don't care what you think about the car that Benny Hinn drives or where he got the money to buy it. I probably feel the same way.

But I do know that you shouldn't go beyond what is written in the Word of God in the expression of your criticism of him and his ways and those of others like him.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 10, 2019

His student said:
I have studied it before and have studied it again just now.

It says nothing about such people preaching a false gospel and being deserving of having their salvation taken from them, as you suggest, rather than suffering strong rebukes from the Lord or suffering great loss at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

I don't care what you think about the car that Benny Hinn drives or where he got the money to buy it. I probably feel the same way.

But I do know that you shouldn't go beyond what is written in the Word of God in the expression of your criticism of him and his ways and those of others like him.

If you were to keep reading, it says this in verse 12.

"Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life,.." (1 Timothy 6:12).
1 Timothy 6 tells us to flee in being rich and chase after righteousness instead.
So being rich is not of the faith. We are to fight the good fight of faith so as to lay hold on eternal life.

For Salvation is more than just having a belief alone in Jesus. "..a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven." Jesus said so Himself.

His student · Sep 10, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
For Salvation is more than just having a belief alone in Jesus. "..a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven." Jesus said so Himself.

Are you equating the kingdom of heaven with being justified before God (i.e. being saved)?

Are you saying that rich men such as Donald Trump need to give all or most of their money to the poor before they can be saved?

In fact - please clarify for us exactly what your problem is concerning Benny Hinn. Is it that he teaches that God wishes to bless his people in this life and that their giving has a lot to do with them receiving those blessings?

Or is that he has amassed wealth as a professional minister through conflating the tithes and offering of the people of God with his private enterprises (book sales, speaking fees and the like)?

If it is the later - I agree with you about Hinn and any number of other "faith" type preachers I could name.

But you have not stopped there. Instead you have accused him of teaching another gospel (i.e. - how to get saved).

Please refine your position for us so that we can have a meaningful conversation about it.

But, please, stop with the vague innuendo and the "prosperity gospel" lingo being hurled against faith teachers across the board.

Thanks.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 10, 2019

His student said:
Are you equating the kingdom of heaven with being justified before God (i.e. being saved)?

Are you saying that rich men such as Donald Trump need to give all or most of their money to the poor before they can be saved?

In fact - please clarify for us exactly what your problem is concerning Benny Hinn. Is it that he teaches that God wishes to bless his people in this life and that their giving has a lot to do with them receiving those blessings?

Or is that he has amassed wealth as a professional minister through conflating the tithes and offering of the people of God with his private enterprises (book sales, speaking fees and the like)?

If it is the later - I agree with you about Hinn and any number of other "faith" type preachers I could name.

But you have not stopped there. Instead you have accused him of teaching another gospel (i.e. - how to get saved).

Please refine your position for us so that we can have a meaningful conversation about it.

But, please, stop with the vague innuendo and the "prosperity gospel" lingo being hurled against faith teachers across the board.

Thanks.

The prosperity gospel (also known as the “health and wealth gospel”) is a perversion of the gospel of Jesus that claims that God rewards increases in faith with increases in health and/or wealth.

In the forefront is the doctrine of the assurance of “divine” physical health and prosperity through faith. In short, this means that “health and wealth” are the automatic divine right of all Bible-believing Christians and may be procreated by faith as part of the package of salvation, since the Atonement of Christ includes not just the removal of sin, but also the removal of sickness and poverty.

Hence, why it is called the Prosperity Gospel.

Source:
What You Should Know About the Prosperity Gospel

As for rich men:

The rich young ruler was told to sell all that he had and give it to the poor and follow Jesus. Zacchaeus was willing to give only half of his goods to the poor and that he would pay back fourfold to anyone he falsely accused and yet Jesus said salvation had came to his house. We are told in 1 Timothy 6 to flee chasing after riches and to chase after righteousness instead. In 1 Timothy 6:17-19, the rich are charged to be rich in good works and ready to distribute so that they may lay hold on eternal life. Why are they told to do these things so as to lay hold on eternal life? It means they do not have eternal life yet because they are still rich. James 2:5 says God has chosen the poor of this world to be rich in faith.

James says this about the rich:

"Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats? Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?" (James 2:6-7).

His student · Sep 10, 2019

Bible Highlighter said:
The prosperity gospel (also known as the “health and wealth gospel”) is a perversion of the gospel of Jesus that claims that God rewards increases in faith with increases in health and/or wealth.

The gospel that you subscribe to and the one supposedly perverted by those who say that health and success in life can be increased through Godly living and faith filled prayer - is that God wants you poor in material goods and in poor health. If you do not remain or become so - you cannot be saved according to your gospel.

From this day forward, when I speak of those who pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ - your example will be near the top of my list.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 10, 2019

His student said:
The gospel that you subscribe to and the one supposedly perverted by those who say that health and success in life can be increased through Godly living and faith filled prayer - is that God wants you poor in material goods and in poor health. If you do not remain or become so - you cannot be saved according to your gospel.

From this day forward, when I speak of those who pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ - your example will be near the top of my list.

Well, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. God wants us to not be overly concerned with material goods or the accumulation of great amounts of wealth and health. That is not why we are here.

For Jesus says,

"Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek; ) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you." (Matthew 6:31-33).

While God can bless us with certain things in regards to certain basic needs so as to function for His Kingdom, and while He can heal us and guide us to take care of our temple, our top priority mission and focus is a spiritual one and not a physical one.

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places." (Ephesians 6:12).

topher694 · Sep 10, 2019

His student said:
The gospel that you subscribe to and the one supposedly perverted by those who say that health and success in life can be increased through Godly living and faith filled prayer - is that God wants you poor in material goods and in poor health. If you do not remain or become so - you cannot be saved according to your gospel.

From this day forward, when I speak of those who pervert the gospel of Jesus Christ - your example will be near the top of my list.

I must say I've enjoyed your posts. I don't prescribe to the types of things Benny Hinn does myself. But I hate the term "Prosperity Gospel". It vilifies the good, true biblical aspects of prosperity along with the bad. And that is just as out of balance as what he has done.

What I have observed is that many times when abuses happen in one area - such as prosperity - the loudest opponents often swing so far the other way that they fall into the exact same error, just the opposite extreme (as you've experienced here). The problem is that because they have focused - often to the point of anger, bitterness and resentment - so tightly on what other's are doing wrong, it completely blinds them to their own unbalance. The will fight, argue, ridicule, condemn and all other sorts of ugliness that is itself contrary to scripture and justify their behavior because of the actions of another (whom they most likely don't even know personally). Bad behavior doesn't justify bad behavior... but, alas, trying to talk about it is usually like trying to box the air.

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Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Arch-Dude of the Apostolic

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Well-Known Member

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Well-Known Member

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Well-Known Member

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Well-Known Member

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

Well-Known Member

Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul.

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