Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution

inquiring mind said:

Maybe... but as a human being, isn't a reason implied if nothing else?


But, when would you step out of a revolving door?

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Neither of those statement make the least bit of sense to me as answers to my post. What revolving door?

inquiring mind said:

What would be the point... if not?

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Maybe there is no point. Perhaps the universe just is.

But, isn't this succumbing to ignorance... why doesn't the ignorance suggest there is more? It does in every other aspect of science.

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There might be more or there might not. "We don't know" is not a good enough reason to assume there is more.

This is why I think relative Need for Closure plays a role in the comfort of not knowing. Instead of asking why non-believers can't imagine a creator god in the absence of knowledge, perhaps ask why believers believe in a creator god in the absence of knowledge.

inquiring mind said:

My 'revolving door' statement is just saying, how long will it take science to realize that they will not find the answer to exactly how or why we began, no matter how long they try, and accept God's sovereign role as the most likely answer?

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This is just god-of-the-gaps theology. If you're inserting a god into gaps in human knowledge, what happens if one day scientific inquiry does provide an answer?

I would hope that those who believe in a creator god have better reasons that simply not being able to imagine an alternative.

inquiring mind said:

Well, I'll try again. You said 'a reason' wasn't a science question. I said, maybe not, but never-the-less there seems to be an implication, from just a human standpoint, that a reason for our existence exists, whether its a science question, or not.

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Yes, it is not a science question and yes, many people, including me, believe in God as that reason, but it's not something science can ever decide for us.

My 'revolving door' statement is just saying, how long will it take science to realize that they will not find the answer to exactly how or why we began, no matter how long they try...

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How? Maybe. Why? Never.

...and accept God's sovereign role as the most likely answer?

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Many do, for the "why" but they still don't stop looking for the "how."

I think I know the answer to that... I just can't understand why?

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What do you think the answer is?

inquiring mind said:

Oh, they do... the question was to non-believers who rely on science and logic only.

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The answer is simple: we're comfortable with uncertainty.

Aman777 said:

Here. Genesis 1:21 AND https://www.smithsonianmag.com › smart-news › behold-luca-last-universa...Jul 26, 2016 -

It's proof of God.

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No, it really isn't.

inquiring mind said:

They'll stay in the revolving door.

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Do you think accepting God as the "why" means we should stop looking for the "how?"

inquiring mind said:

But, not faith.

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If faith is being used as a stopgap for lack of knowledge per your original question then no. While I can't speak for everyone, I don't see the appeal of 'faith' in that context.

inquiring mind said:

No, not at all. Much can be learned, even from searching for the unknowable, provided you let yourself see (hence my original question).

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I'm still not sure what your actual point is, but you seem to be implying that science is ignoring or trying to avoid the "discovery" of God as creator.

Bungle_Bear said:

Aman, please explain why verse 24 says cattle should be "his kind" and verse 25 says cattle are "their kind". It's a very simple question which you are avoiding. I want to know why cattle are "their kind" when God said they should be "his kind". Stop dancing and give a straightforward answer.

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I'm not dancing. Cattle were made by Jesus from the dust of the ground. Gen 2:19 They were "created" eternally by God the Trinity.

Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after His kind, and cattle......... after Their (Trinity) kind,..... and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

This verse could also read. God made cattle and the beast of the Earth Eternally, after Their kind..... or the kind made Eternal by God the Trinity. It simply shows that beasts of the Earth and cattle are destined to be in Heaven, forever. We won't eat them, but they will be there with us.

FYI, Not knowing the difference between His kind and Their kind keeps most from understanding Genesis. I was born into the world because Jesus made Humans from the dust of the ground. I was born into life eternal in Heaven, by the AGREEMENT of God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Genesis 1:26 Genesis 5:1-2 and John 14:16 That's God's Truth.

Kylie said:

Genesis 1:1. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

It doesn't say the Trinity created the heaven and the Earth, it says God. Your attempt to claim that this refers to the trinity is totally without support.

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God in Hebrew is "Elohim" which is a PLURAL Name. At the time, there was nothing in physical form including God because He is a Spirit, the Spirit of Love. Lord God, on the other hand is Jesus, the Son of God, called YHWH in the O.T. Lord God is a SINGULAR Name because Jesus is the ONLY God ever formed physically.

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Amen. ONLY those of flesh who have been born again Spiritually by God the Trinity can enter Heaven. Have you been born again?

Kylie said:

Repeating your claims does not make them fact.

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1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Kylie said:

People 3000 years ago could easily have seen that water is required for life.

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Many scientists today preach that magical chemical generation or abiogenesis is the Creator. Do you deny abiogenesis?

Kylie said:

Already have done. Just because you can't recognise it doesn't mean it was never produced.

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Once again, you have failed to post ANY evidence of your oft repeated false accusation. Pretty soon, your credibility will suffer. Amen?

Speedwell said:

Just for you. That's what is interesting. have never met or heard of any other creationist who believes the things you do.

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Read it for yourself. It's written so that a fourth grader can understand.

Aman777 said:

Read it for yourself. It's written so that a fourth grader can understand.

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No, that is only true for those who subscribe to the Doctrine of Perspicuity, a distinctly Protestant doctrine and a recent invention at that.

But what I meant is, is that what you are preaching here seems unique to you alone. For instance, I never heard any other Christian assert that their were pieces of the Firmament at the bottom of Lake Van.

Speedwell said:

But what I meant is, is that what you are preaching here seems unique to you alone.

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In all my reading of creationist material over the last couple decades, I've never come across a brand of creationism quite as... unique as Aman777's.