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A person may receive baptism as commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:19-20 by immersion or by three times pouring water over the person's head while saying the words commanded by Jesus. Oftentimes, there was not enough water available for immersion.
Okay, thanks for the info ...
but, I think it's obvious that full immersion was the method in the NT.
 
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Baptism washes away Adam's sin and also all of the person's sins which are on his soul at the time of his baptism. Baptism does not wash away any of his future sins. We must remain saved until our dying breath if we desire to be approved to inherit/enter eternal life. There is no such thing in Jesus' gospel as "once saved, always saved".

Luke 8:13
And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. rsv


It would be wise to leave Ephesians 2:10 intact.

We will all be judged by our works on Judgment Day. Our works will determine where we spend eternity. A person's good works will approve him for eternal life or his lack of good works will deny him eternal life.

Matthew 25:31-46

Baptism doesn't wash away Adams sin. Johns Baptism was a baptism of repentance for Israel. Christian Baptism is a public declaration that one who is saved has made a commitment to follow Jesus in discipleship!

I cherish Eph. 2:10 But you would be wise to learn Ephesians 2:8-9 which come before verse 10. The works are simple acts of obedience for the saved to do! The working out of our salvation in Philippians that God has already worked in!

We will not be judged on judgment day. Our works will be judged to see what sort they are!

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 King James Version (KJV)
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

You need to learn the difference between the bema judgment which is only for believers and the thronos judgment at the end of time!

And Jesus gospel is filled with "once saved always saved" as well as the epistles He inspired!
 
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Okay, thanks for the info ...
but, I think it's obvious that full immersion was the method in the NT.

I don't see where in Scripture it states that full immersion was the only method used in the NT.
 
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Baptism doesn't wash away Adams sin. Johns Baptism was a baptism of repentance for Israel. Christian Baptism is a public declaration that one who is saved has made a commitment to follow Jesus in discipleship!

John's baptism of repentance of sins was a precursor to Jesus's baptism of forgiveness of sins which He commanded in Matthew 28:19-20.

John's baptism was for the repentance of sins. His baptism prepared people for Jesus' baptism of forgiveness of sins which does indeed forgive all the sins on a person's soul at the time of his baptism including Adam's sin which all mankind inherited from Adam.

Jesus' baptism sanctifies us and thereby Jesus' baptism makes us justified/righteous before God.

1 Corinthians 6:11
And some of you were guilty of these abominations! But you were washed (by JESUS' BAPTISM), you were sanctified (by JESUS' BAPTISM), you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God (by JESUS' BAPTISM). mrint

The baptism of Jesus cleanses us of our sins and thereby sanctifies us.

Ephesians 5:26
that he might sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing of water through the word, rsv
 
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I cherish Eph. 2:10 But you would be wise to learn Ephesians 2:8-9 which come before verse 10. The works are simple acts of obedience for the saved to do! The working out of our salvation in Philippians that God has already worked in!.....

And Jesus gospel is filled with "once saved always saved" as well as the epistles He inspired!

I see no Scriptures that state that once a person is saved, he is always saved.

Please explain why Jesus states that some people believe (in Him) for a while and then they fall away. To "fall away" means that they are no longer saved.

Luke 8:13
Those that fall on rock are the ones who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but they have no root—they believe for a while but in a time of testing they fall away. mrint


Galatians 5:4
You have cut yourself off from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by the law (of Moses); you have fallen away from grace. mrint

Please explain why Paul states that some of the Galatian people "have cut themselves off from Christ". "To cut yourself off from Christ" means that you are no longer saved.

Paul states that they have "fallen away from grace". To "fall away from grace" means that they no longer have the Holy Spirit of grace living within them and so they are no longer saved.


The doctrine "once saved always saved" is not in the gospel of Christ.
 
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We will not be judged on judgment day. Our works will be judged to see what sort they are!

Please see Mathew 25:31-46

On Judgment Day, Jesus will divide all the people who have ever lived into either sheep or goats. Everyone, both righteous sheep and unrighteous goats will be judged by their works.

The sheep are the people who have done the good works according to the command in Ephesians 2:10 and so they will be admitted into heaven to be with God for eternity.

The goats are the people who have not done the good works according to the command in Ephesians 2:10 and so they will be sent to hell for eternity.

There is one final judgment and everyone who has ever lived will be judged at this one final judgment and this one and only final judgment will be viewed by all the people who have ever lived.


John 5:28-29
Do not be amazed at this, because the hour (final judgment) is coming in which all who are in their graves will hear his voice and will come out—those who have done good, to a resurrection unto life, and those who have practiced evil, to a resurrection unto condemnation. mrint
 
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John's baptism of repentance of sins was a precursor to Jesus's baptism of forgiveness of sins which He commanded in Matthew 28:19-20.

John's baptism was for the repentance of sins. His baptism prepared people for Jesus' baptism of forgiveness of sins which does indeed forgive all the sins on a person's soul at the time of his baptism including Adam's sin which all mankind inherited from Adam.

Jesus' baptism sanctifies us and thereby Jesus' baptism makes us justified/righteous before God.

1 Corinthians 6:11
And some of you were guilty of these abominations! But you were washed (by JESUS' BAPTISM), you were sanctified (by JESUS' BAPTISM), you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God (by JESUS' BAPTISM). mrint

The baptism of Jesus cleanses us of our sins and thereby sanctifies us.

Ephesians 5:26
that he might sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing of water through the word, rsv

Yes the Baptism of Jesus washes the guilt of all our sins away! It is called being baptized by the Spirit, not by water! for 1 Corinth 6 being like the watchtower and adding words in parentheses is very unbecoming of you.

Eph 5- If you read this carefully, understanding basic grammar- yo uwould know it is the word that cleanses us- not being a dunkin donut! Water baptism is a command, but it is for those who are already believers and already saved!
 
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I see no Scriptures that state that once a person is saved, he is always saved.

Please explain why Jesus states that some people believe (in Him) for a while and then they fall away. To "fall away" means that they are no longer saved.

Luke 8:13
Those that fall on rock are the ones who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but they have no root—they believe for a while but in a time of testing they fall away. mrint


Galatians 5:4
You have cut yourself off from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by the law (of Moses); you have fallen away from grace. mrint

Please explain why Paul states that some of the Galatian people "have cut themselves off from Christ". "To cut yourself off from Christ" means that you are no longer saved.

Paul states that they have "fallen away from grace". To "fall away from grace" means that they no longer have the Holy Spirit of grace living within them and so they are no longer saved.


The doctrine "once saved always saved" is not in the gospel of Christ.


Once saved always saved is the heart of the gospel! and the epistles. If you have no seen the verses, you have not read the NT much then. They are everywhere!

As for Luke- instead of making up things the bible does not declare, we should just simply accept what teh word does say about people who start with us and then leave:

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Mt. 13:

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

In Hebrews the Lord reminds us He will never leave us or forsake us! So if a child of God turns their back on Jesus- Jesus still is with them. They may be disobedient children, but they are still children of god!
 
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Galatians 5:4
You have cut yourself off from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by the law (of Moses); you have fallen away from grace. mrint

Please explain why Paul states that some of the Galatian people "have cut themselves off from Christ". "To cut yourself off from Christ" means that you are no longer saved.

Maybe or maybe it means that one has broken fellowship with God. They still have the father/son relationship but have broekn fellowship because sin is in the way!

YOu define things from a mean spirited perspective. The Gospel and epistles are good news- not "you better weatch out, you better not sin, cause if you do, you become unsaved again, Jesus is waiting to smite!" My apologies for santa coming to town! al;l pun intended!
 
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I see no Scriptures that state that once a person is saved,
he is always saved.
Yes, this is the key, isn't it?
Ditto for grace NOT being guaranteed to last forever.
Obviously.

Kinda the same thing as people reading that all of their sins are forgiven,
and believing it means all sins ... past, present, and future ...
whereas it means all past sins before being born-again!
(For doubters, please visit 2 Peter 1:9.)

Jan, apparently you have NOT been deceived, brainwashed, etc.
with false doctrines from the very pits of hell. Bravo!
 
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Yes the Baptism of Jesus washes the guilt of all our sins away! It is called being baptized by the Spirit, not by water! for 1 Corinth 6 being like the watchtower and adding words in parentheses is very unbecoming of you.

Eph 5- If you read this carefully, understanding basic grammar- yo uwould know it is the word that cleanses us- not being a dunkin donut! Water baptism is a command, but it is for those who are already believers and already saved!

The result of receiving the Baptism as commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:19-20 is:

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. rsv

Ephesians 5:26
that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, rsv

The Word is the words commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20.

It is this same baptism that forgives all the sins on our souls at the time of this baptism. It is this baptism that first sanctifies us and makes us His disciples.

Acts 22:16
And now why do you wait? Rise and
be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ rsv Matthew 28:18-20
 
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Once saved always saved is the heart of the gospel! and the epistles. If you have no seen the verses, you have not read the NT much then. They are everywhere!

As for Luke- instead of making up things the bible does not declare, we should just simply accept what teh word does say about people who start with us and then leave:

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Mt. 13:

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.

27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?

28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?

29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

In Hebrews the Lord reminds us He will never leave us or forsake us! So if a child of God turns their back on Jesus- Jesus still is with them. They may be disobedient children, but they are still children of god!

RE: "1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. rsv​

These people were part of them and then left them because they only believed for a while. In time of temptation, they gave in to the temptation and sinned against God's commandments and thereby they fell away from the grace of God. The people who endure in obedience to God's commandments until they die will inherit eternal life. Matthew 24:12-13 The people who remain faithful to God's commandments until they die will inherit eternal life. Revelation 2:10

Jesus states:


Luke 8:13
And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away. rsv

RE: "In Hebrews the Lord reminds us He will never leave us or forsake us! So if a child of God turns their back on Jesus- Jesus still is with them. They may be disobedient children, but they are still children of god!"
It is true that God never leaves us or forsakes us. We, however, may choose to leave and forsake Him at any time during our lifetime on earth. We must choose to continue in obedience to God's commandments until death if we desire to be approved worthy to inherit eternal life.

John 8:31-32
Jesus then said to the Jews who had believed in him, “If you continue in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” rsv

Romans 11:22
Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God’s kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness; otherwise you too will be cut off. rsv


The disobedient sons of God do lose their inheritance. If they do not repent before they die and are thereby not restored to God's grace before they die, they will receive God's wrath in hellfire instead of heavenly bliss in eternal life.

Ephesians 5:5-7
Be sure of this, that no fornicator or impure man, or one who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not associate with them, rsv
 
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Maybe or maybe it means that one has broken fellowship with God. They still have the father/son relationship but have broekn fellowship because sin is in the way!

YOu define things from a mean spirited perspective. The Gospel and epistles are good news- not "you better weatch out, you better not sin, cause if you do, you become unsaved again, Jesus is waiting to smite!" My apologies for santa coming to town! al;l pun intended!

You are forgiven. :)

If a person has broken fellowship with Christ, the Holy Spirit no longer abides within him and so he will not be approved to inherit eternal life (if he dies unrepentant).

God gives His Holy Spirit as a guarantee of salvation only to the people who obey Him, and He will continue to remain/abide in them as their guarantee of salvation only if they continue to obey Him. Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Timothy 4:3-5


Acts 5:32
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey him.” rsv

John 15:6
If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned. rsv

John 5:28-29
Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice 29 and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. rsv

It is best to be on God's "nice" list at the time of death. It will be "eternally foolish" to be on God's "naughty" list at the time of death. :)

Matthew 7:13-14
Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy,that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few. rsv


1 Peter 4:18
And “If the righteous man is scarcely saved, where will the impious and sinner appear?” rsv

2 Thessalonians 1:5-8
This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be made worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering— 6 since indeed God deems it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant rest with us to you who are afflicted, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, 8 inflicting vengeance upon those who do not know God and upon those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. rsv

The "good news" is, "If you remain faithful to God's commandments until death, you will be approved worthy to inherit eternal life with God!"

Revelation 2:10
Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. rsv


 
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Yes, this is the key, isn't it?
Ditto for grace NOT being guaranteed to last forever.
Obviously.

Kinda the same thing as people reading that all of their sins are forgiven,
and believing it means all sins ... past, present, and future ...
whereas it means all past sins before being born-again!
(For doubters, please visit 2 Peter 1:9.)

Jan, apparently you have NOT been deceived, brainwashed, etc.
with false doctrines from the very pits of hell. Bravo!

I am striving to enter through the narrow gate which leads to life. Luke 13:24 I am striving to pass the test 2 Corinthians 13:5 and remain faithful until death so that I will receive the crown: eternal life. Revelation 2:10
 
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If a person has broken fellowship with Christ, the Holy Spirit no longer abides within him and so he will not be approved to inherit eternal life (if he dies unrepentant).
God gives His Holy Spirit as a guarantee of salvation only to the people who obey Him, and He will continue to remain/abide in them as their guarantee of salvation only if they continue to obey Him. Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Timothy 4:3-5, Acts 5:32
Yes, Jan, there are conditions for keeping the indwelling Holy Spirit
John 14:15-23
If you love Me, keep My commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper,
that He may abide with you forever — the Spirit of truth
… you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father,
and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.
If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him,
and We will come to him and make Our home with him.”
 
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The result of receiving the Baptism as commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:19-20 is:

1 Corinthians 6:11
And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. rsv

Ephesians 5:26
that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, rsv

The Word is the words commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20.

It is this same baptism that forgives all the sins on our souls at the time of this baptism. It is this baptism that first sanctifies us and makes us His disciples.

Acts 22:16
And now why do you wait? Rise and
be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name.’ rsv Matthew 28:18-20

Yup! Notice the washing is the water of the Word? Not H2O in some pond or river!
 
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These people were part of them and then left them because they only believed for a while. In time of temptation, they gave in to the temptation and sinned against God's commandments and thereby they fell away from the grace of God. The people who endure in obedience to God's commandments until they die will inherit eternal life. Matthew 24:12-13 The people who remain faithful to God's commandments until they die will inherit eternal life. Revelation 2:10

You are wrong! Read the passage again! They left because they never were of the believers! NOt believers for a little while!

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

they were not sheep who had become goats, or wheat that became tares, they were goats and tares the whole time!

It is true that God never leaves us or forsakes us. We, however, may choose to leave and forsake Him at any time during our lifetime on earth. We must choose to continue in obedience to God's commandments until death if we desire to be approved worthy to inherit eternal life.

Do you realize ho nonsensical this is? And much more that you had to emphasize it? If Jesus never forsakes us- Even if we turn our backs- He won't forsake us- He still walks with us! If I won't forsake you- you cannot forsake me for I will stay with you, otherwise I do forsake you!

If a person has broken fellowship with Christ, the Holy Spirit no longer abides within him and so he will not be approved to inherit eternal life (if he dies unrepentant).

YOu have been lied to. My righteousness is not my good works- but Jesus and HIm alone! I don't care how you wish to dress up that doll, you are promoting salvation by works and that simply is another gospel!

Enjoy the simplicity of truth:

Romans 10:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

God gives His Holy Spirit as a guarantee of salvation only to the people who obey Him, and He will continue to remain/abide in them as their guarantee of salvation only if they continue to obey Him. Ephesians 1:13-14, 2 Timothy 4:3-5

You do not believe Jesus is yoru Savior! You believe your works ultimately save you- not teh blood Jesus shed on your behalf.
To you it is just a ticket to get in to work your way to heaven. YOu will never make it!
 
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Yup! Notice the washing is the water of the Word? Not H2O in some pond or river!

1 Peter 3:20-21
.....when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rsv

The water of Baptism along with the words said as commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:18-20 is what first forgives our sins and saves us. This water of baptism does not cleanse the body from dirt; no, this baptismal water cleanses the soul from all sins on the soul at the time of the baptism and thereby gives us a clear conscience before God because this baptism is what makes us righteous and this baptism is what first makes us Jesus' disciples.

This is all I have for you on this topic. Time for me to move on.
 
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You are wrong! Read the passage again! They left because they never were of the believers! NOt believers for a little while!

1 John 2:19
They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

they were not sheep who had become goats, or wheat that became tares, they were goats and tares the whole time!



Do you realize ho nonsensical this is? And much more that you had to emphasize it? If Jesus never forsakes us- Even if we turn our backs- He won't forsake us- He still walks with us! If I won't forsake you- you cannot forsake me for I will stay with you, otherwise I do forsake you!



You do not believe Jesus is yoru Savior! You believe your works ultimately save you- not teh blood Jesus shed on your behalf.
To you it is just a ticket to get in to work your way to heaven. YOu will never make it!

Jesus' very own words, plainly spoken:

Luke 8:13
And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it with joy; but these have no root, they believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.

I have nothing more on this topic to say to you.
 
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1 Peter 3:20-21
.....when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. 21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, rsv

The water of Baptism along with the words said as commanded by Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:18-20 is what first forgives our sins and saves us. This water of baptism does not cleanse the body from dirt; no, this baptismal water cleanses the soul from all sins on the soul at the time of the baptism and thereby gives us a clear conscience before God because this baptism is what makes us righteous and this baptism is what first makes us Jesus' disciples.

This is all I have for you on this topic. Time for me to move on.
1 Peter 3:21 was the scripture that saved me from unbelief and sin.
I wanted that clean conscience before God more than anything.
Though I knew my old sins were remitted at my baptism, (Acts 2:38), it was a little while later till I realized His atoning, sanctifying blood had been applied to me as I was "in Christ" at His crucifixion. (Rom 6:3-6)
The results?
Rom 6:7..."For he that is dead is freed from sin." (Rom 6:7)

Thanks for the reminder, Jan001.
 
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