LDS How to Become a God

BigDaddy4 · Sep 6, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Tell me what you think Paul was talking about when he said he could not give the meat to the Corinthians, because they would not receive it. What did he mean?

He meant they were in spiritual infancy. They were still carnal, filled with jealousy and strife (v 3). They were focused on following certain teachers (v. 4) and not the message of Jesus Christ that was being presented to them. IOW, they let the messenger get in the way of the message. Similar to the lds. JS gets in your way of accepting the true gospel of Christ.

Peter1000 · Sep 6, 2019

mmksparbud said:
OK---It is a matter of rank---You still have to be married by a Mormon Elder or whatever for time and eternity or you can not enter into this exaltation.

It is not necessarily by a Mormon Elder either. You can be married by a person that has the proper keys to marry, given them by the Lord. There have been thousands of men down through the history of this earth that have the authority to marry people for time and all eternity, not just Mormon Elders.

Peter1000 · Sep 6, 2019

Phoebe Ann said:
Personally, I think that's a an unimportant question. But the answer is one.

Being alive is interesting. People make mistakes. If you fall down, get back up!

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“You can’t be saved by membership in any religion or denomination, but only through personal faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, God’s only begotten Son.”
Which Church Saves?

I am impressed that you have stuck to your one denomination. Congratulations.

Your "which church saves" is taking the only position they can. Since they have not the knowledge or authority to administer the saving ordinances, they do what Martin Luther did in the 1500's, they go directly to the source personally and substitute that approach with the biblical approach that the apostles and prophets in the first century taught.

You are only saved when you do this:
John 10:1 King James Version (KJV)
10 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

The apostles were given the keys to administer the opening of the door with the saving ordinances necessary to come into the sheepfold. They had the power from Jesus to bind and loose that was necessary for salvation.
Matthew 16:19 King James Version (KJV)
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Which means they had the authority to bind you to the Lord through the saving ordinances. Paul talks about the saving ordinances this way:
1 Corinthians 11:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.

I agree though, that there is always a door open to communicate with Jesus personally. That relationship has to exist. We must be able to commune with our Lord. He expects it and wants us to be dependent upon him for our daily sustenance. So it is important that we have that ability to pray and receive personal revelation from Jesus Christ.

BigDaddy4 said:
He meant they were in spiritual infancy. They were still carnal, filled with jealousy and strife (v 3). They were focused on following certain teachers (v. 4) and not the message of Jesus Christ that was being presented to them. IOW, they let the messenger get in the way of the message. Similar to the lds. JS gets in your way of accepting the true gospel of Christ.

But then, when it is time to join the church and do those things the Jesus has laid down for us to do, he has sent men who are given the power and authority to act in his name and open the correct doors and let us into his kingdom the right way. If any other way, it does not work.

Peter1000 · Sep 6, 2019

BigDaddy4 said:
He meant they were in spiritual infancy. They were still carnal, filled with jealousy and strife (v 3). They were focused on following certain teachers (v. 4) and not the message of Jesus Christ that was being presented to them. IOW, they let the messenger get in the way of the message. Similar to the lds. JS gets in your way of accepting the true gospel of Christ.

The people of Corinth were so filled with all that you said, that they could not even live the milk of the gospel, and so Paul could not teach them the higher Christian way of life (the meat of the gospel).

Their divisions for following certain teachers was a manifestation of not being able to live the milk.

Pedra · Sep 6, 2019

Peter1000 said:
Tell me what you think Paul was talking about when he said he could not give the meat to the Corinthians, because they would not receive it. What did he mean?

Well, I'm certain Paul wasn't secretly eluding to false teachings that " each of the planets each have their own "god" and inhabitants, and the Big LIE from demonic realm that Mormonism believes & teaches that God was once a human & that humans can become "God"!

mmksparbud · Sep 6, 2019

Peter1000 said:
It is not necessarily by a Mormon Elder either. You can be married by a person that has the proper keys to marry, given them by the Lord. There have been thousands of men down through the history of this earth that have the authority to marry people for time and all eternity, not just Mormon Elders.

Point being, they have to be married "properly" within the Mormon church for them to achieve exaltation, something the bible disagrees with. No one has to be married at all.

Peter1000 · Sep 7, 2019

Pedra said:
Well, I'm certain Paul wasn't secretly eluding to false teachings that " each of the planets each have their own "god" and inhabitants, and the Big LIE from demonic realm that Mormonism believes & teaches that God was once a human & that humans can become "God"!

FYI - we do not believe each of the planets each have their own "god" and inhabitants either. So either get it right or stop saying it, you are saying something that is not true.

God (Jesus) was once human, and taught that humans were able to be adopted as his sons and daughters and be co-heirs to all that God the Father had.

There are several things that God has that I would like to have too, and as his son, I will be entitled to, but I will focus on just 1 of those qualities I would like to have as an heir:
That is "divinity".

What is it that makes a person "divine"?

They were uncreated and always existed and always will exist.
This is the crux of divinity. In Christendom, there are only 3 persons that have been uncreated and have always existed and will always exist, and that is God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, which proceedeth from the Father.

JS learned that there are not only 3 persons that are uncreated and have always existed and will always exist, but all mortal beings that have come to this earth all have a part of them that is uncreated, has always existed, and will always exist, which is the definition of 'divine'. (Note how different his teaching is than Arius's teaching, who taught that there was a time when Jesus was not, obviously this is not true, so JS would have preached against Arianism.)

This teaching can be supported by the bible, like this:

Jesus and the Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father who was uncreated, meaning that Jesus is uncreated and the Holy Sprit was uncreated.

But (and this is the crucial link to our divinity) so did Adam. Adam proceedeth also from God the Father. How did this happen. God created from a lump of clay the body of Adam. A lump of clay that lay there lifeless until God did this:
Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God breathed into Adams lifeless body, the "breath of life" and he became a living soul.
IOW Adam came alive with the "breath of life" which proceedeth from God. A true, living force from God that is uncreated and has existed for ever, and will exist forever. This is the spark of divinty, which proceedeth forth from the uncreated God, into Adam that gave him life, and within him was an uncreated divinity that preceedeth forth from God.

From Adam to the rest of his posterity, this divine force was passed on that allowed a lifeless body to become alive with a part of the uncreated God within them, a spark of divinity within all of us, even to this day.

This is why we can become like God, because we as well as Jesus and the Holy Spirit have divinity within us too. Now we just have to figure out how to become holy, and perfect, etc., etc., etc.
But the most important factor is within us and we are truly gods in embryo.

mmksparbud · Sep 7, 2019

Peter1000 said:
FYI - we do not believe each of the planets each have their own "god" and inhabitants either. So either get it right or stop saying it, you are saying something that is not true.

God (Jesus) was once human, and taught that humans were able to be adopted as his sons and daughters and be co-heirs to all that God the Father had.

There are several things that God has that I would like to have too, and as his son, I will be entitled to, but I will focus on just 1 of those qualities I would like to have as an heir:
That is "divinity".

What is it that makes a person "divine"?

They were uncreated and always existed and always will exist.
This is the crux of divinity. In Christendom, there are only 3 persons that have been uncreated and have always existed and will always exist, and that is God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, which proceedeth from the Father.

JS learned that there are not only 3 persons that are uncreated and have always existed and will always exist, but all mortal beings that have come to this earth all have a part of them that is uncreated, has always existed, and will always exist, which is the definition of 'divine'. (Note how different his teaching is than Arius's teaching, who taught that there was a time when Jesus was not, obviously this is not true, so JS would have preached against Arianism.)

This teaching can be supported by the bible, like this:

Jesus and the Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father who was uncreated, meaning that Jesus is uncreated and the Holy Sprit was uncreated.

But (and this is the crucial link to our divinity) so did Adam. Adam proceedeth also from God the Father. How did this happen. God created from a lump of clay the body of Adam. A lump of clay that lay there lifeless until God did this:
Genesis 2:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God breathed into Adams lifeless body, the "breath of life" and he became a living soul.
IOW Adam came alive with the "breath of life" which proceedeth from God. A true, living force from God that is uncreated and has existed for ever, and will exist forever. This is the spark of divinty, which proceedeth forth from the uncreated God, into Adam that gave him life, and within him was an uncreated divinity that preceedeth forth from God.

From Adam to the rest of his posterity, this divine force was passed on that allowed a lifeless body to become alive with a part of the uncreated God within them, a spark of divinity within all of us, even to this day.

This is why we can become like God, because we as well as Jesus and the Holy Spirit have divinity within us too. Now we just have to figure out how to become holy, and perfect, etc., etc., etc.
But the most important factor is within us and we are truly gods in embryo.

Once again, veggie meat. There is no truth. Throughout the entire bible we, and the angels are all called His creation, from Genesis on. There is not one single solitary verse that says we existed before we were created. God breathed His life giving energy force into Adam and Eve and they "became" a living soul. Not a reincarnated soul. And God gave them the ability to pass that life on to their children, He did not make them producers of empty embryos who needed to be possessed by any spiritual entity.
Jesus became human---He wasn't human before. He was divine and not created.

Gen_1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen_1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen_2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen_5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen_5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Gen_6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Deu_4:32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it?
Psa_104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
Psa_148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
Isa_40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Rev_4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Rev_10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

CREATED!! All but Father, Son and Holy Spirit---one God from everlasting to everlasting.

He is the way · Sep 7, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Once again, veggie meat. There is no truth. Throughout the entire bible we, and the angels are all called His creation, from Genesis on. There is not one single solitary verse that says we existed before we were created. God breathed His life giving energy force into Adam and Eve and they "became" a living soul. Not a reincarnated soul. And God gave them the ability to pass that life on to their children, He did not make them producers of empty embryos who needed to be possessed by any spiritual entity.
Jesus became human---He wasn't human before. He was divine and not created.

Gen_1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen_1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen_2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
Gen_5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen_5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Gen_6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Deu_4:32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it?
Psa_104:30 Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
Psa_148:5 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for he commanded, and they were created.
Isa_40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and behold who hath created these things, that bringeth out their host by number: he calleth them all by names by the greatness of his might, for that he is strong in power; not one faileth.
Col_1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Rev_4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
Rev_10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:

CREATED!! All but Father, Son and Holy Spirit---one God from everlasting to everlasting.

You said: "There is not one single solitary verse that says we existed before we were created." We all existed as spirits before our body was created. And yes there is a scripture that proves this:
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:7)

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Our spirit will indeed return to God who is the Father of spirits:

(New Testament | Hebrews 12:9)

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

(New Testament | Matthew 23:8 - 9)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

How is Christ our Brother? How is God our Father and the Father and God of Jesus?:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So yes we did indeed exist as spirit children with Jesus Christ before we were born. Our spirit can not return to somewhere we have never been.

mmksparbud · Sep 7, 2019

He is the way said:
You said: "There is not one single solitary verse that says we existed before we were created." We all existed as spirits before our body was created. And yes there is a scripture that proves this:
(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:7)

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Our spirit will indeed return to God who is the Father of spirits:

(New Testament | Hebrews 12:9)

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

(New Testament | Matthew 23:8 - 9)

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

How is Christ our Brother? How is God our Father and the Father and God of Jesus?:

(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So yes we did indeed exist as spirit children with Jesus Christ before we were born. Our spirit can not return to somewhere we have never been.

There is nothing there that states we existed before God created us. It is only in the imagination of JS.

He is the way · Sep 7, 2019

mmksparbud said:
There is nothing there that states we existed before God created us. It is only in the imagination of JS.

So you are saying you do not believe that Christ is our brother and that God is the Father of spirits, and that the spirit returns to our Father when we die? Yet all of these things are Biblical. There is also this:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 5:6 - 9)

6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

(New Testament | Matthew 26:41)

41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

mmksparbud · Sep 7, 2019

He is the way said:
So you are saying you do not believe that Christ is our brother and that God is the Father of spirits, and that the spirit returns to our Father when we die? Yet all of these things are Biblical. There is also this:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 5:6 - 9)

6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

(New Testament | Matthew 26:41)

41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Jesus Christ is the One and Only Son of the Most High God --God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost from everlasting to everlasting none of which were created---One God. Jesus Christ is the creator of all things, whether animate or inanimate. He created Lucifer and is not His brother. God (all 3 in one) is the Father of our inner being--our spirits are our spiritual mind. Spirit also means breath, wind, air----breath goes back to God who gave it. It is the same breath that He gave to the whales, the fish and everything that breathes and they did not exist before being created either. At death we sleep until the resurrection---it is then we are given our eternal bodies. It is a dreamless sleep and when we wake up, it is like we were never gone and the very next thing we will know is that Jesus is here for us calling us awake and we will be with Him---to die is to be present with the Lord in that sense.

He is the way · Sep 7, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Jesus Christ is the One and Only Son of the Most High God --God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost from everlasting to everlasting none of which were created---One God. Jesus Christ is the creator of all things, whether animate or inanimate. He created Lucifer and is not His brother. God (all 3 in one) is the Father of our inner being--our spirits are our spiritual mind. Spirit also means breath, wind, air----breath goes back to God who gave it. It is the same breath that He gave to the whales, the fish and everything that breathes and they did not exist before being created either. At death we sleep until the resurrection---it is then we are given our eternal bodies. It is a dreamless sleep and when we wake up, it is like we were never gone and the very next thing we will know is that Jesus is here for us calling us awake and we will be with Him---to die is to be present with the Lord in that sense.

While Jesus Christ is the only begotten of God the Father in the flesh, He is not the only son of God. As I have proven to you God the Father is the Father of SPIRITS. This is what the Bible says:

(New Testament | Matthew 23:9)

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

(Old Testament | Psalms 82:6)

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

The word breath is a figure of speech assigned to the spirit because we can neither see nor hear the spirit. However the spirit is the inward man:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 4:16)

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

Rescued One · Sep 7, 2019

Satan is god of this earth, but not my God!

mmksparbud · Sep 7, 2019

He is the way said:
While Jesus Christ is the only begotten of God the Father in the flesh, He is not the only son of God. As I have proven to you God the Father is the Father of SPIRITS. This is what the Bible says:

(New Testament | Matthew 23:9)

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

(Old Testament | Psalms 82:6)

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

The word breath is a figure of speech assigned to the spirit because we can neither see nor hear the spirit. However the spirit is the inward man:

(New Testament | 2 Corinthians 4:16)

16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day.

You've shown me nothing that changes what the bible says. He is the one and only Son of God. You do not know the real Christian God-- Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You worship in vain what you do not know. Jesus always was God with the Father. You've been given the correct interpretation but you want the stories of JS instead of truth. Yes, spirit is the inward man, not some other apparition that existed before being born, It is the spiritual mind of man. It also means breath. We are children of the Most High God, by adoption. You've been shown that over and over. We are not His natural children, Jesus alone is. Your worship of other god's is noted by God and will not be acknowledged for He was never human and only Jesus "became" human in order to save us, but still maintained His divinity. We are not, never were, never will be divine. It is a lie of Satan and the lust for power that JS had in wanting to be God---never happen. JS and Satan are brothers in heart---Christians are not brothers to Satan, Jesus created Him. You will find no home with God for you reject the real God of the bible in preference to the god of JS and that is who God will give you a home with---Satan, of you do not reject your false gods.

He is the way · Sep 8, 2019

mmksparbud said:
You've shown me nothing that changes what the bible says. He is the one and only Son of God. You do not know the real Christian God-- Father, Son and Holy Spirit. You worship in vain what you do not know. Jesus always was God with the Father. You've been given the correct interpretation but you want the stories of JS instead of truth. Yes, spirit is the inward man, not some other apparition that existed before being born, It is the spiritual mind of man. It also means breath. We are children of the Most High God, by adoption. You've been shown that over and over. We are not His natural children, Jesus alone is. Your worship of other god's is noted by God and will not be acknowledged for He was never human and only Jesus "became" human in order to save us, but still maintained His divinity. We are not, never were, never will be divine. It is a lie of Satan and the lust for power that JS had in wanting to be God---never happen. JS and Satan are brothers in heart---Christians are not brothers to Satan, Jesus created Him. You will find no home with God for you reject the real God of the bible in preference to the god of JS and that is who God will give you a home with---Satan, of you do not reject your false gods.

I worship and pray to God the Father, the most high God through His only begotten Son in the flesh, Jesus Christ. God the Father is indeed the most high God:

(Old Testament | Genesis 14:18 - 22)

18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

(New Testament | Mark 5:2 - 13)

2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand

and were choked in the sea.

(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

mmksparbud · Sep 8, 2019

He is the way said:
I worship and pray to God the Father, the most high God through His only begotten Son in the flesh, Jesus Christ. God the Father is indeed the most high God:

(Old Testament | Genesis 14:18 - 22)

18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
21 And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself.
22 And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

(New Testament | Mark 5:2 - 13)

2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,
3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:
4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.
5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.
6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.
8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.
9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.
10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.
11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.
12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.
13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand and were choked in the sea.

(New Testament | Romans 8:16 - 17)

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

No, it is not the same God. Our Father has no Father, was never human and has only one Son, never had a wife. His Son always was one with God with the Father and Holy Spirit and always will be. He created everything from nothing, including Lucifer and is no brother to Satan. He required no sin of disobedience in order for man to conceive children. We are adopted children of God, adopted for we are not His natural children. I think I will just copy and paste this in answer to your usual stuff from now on.

He is the way · Sep 8, 2019

mmksparbud said:
No, it is not the same God. Our Father has no Father, was never human and has only one Son, never had a wife. His Son always was one with God with the Father and Holy Spirit and always will be. He created everything from nothing, including Lucifer and is no brother to Satan. He required no sin of disobedience in order for man to conceive children. We are adopted children of God, adopted for we are not His natural children. I think I will just copy and paste this in answer to your usual stuff from now on.

Perhaps you did not pay any attention to my posts, but maybe someone else has.

Peter1000 · Sep 9, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Jesus Christ is the One and Only Son of the Most High God --God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost from everlasting to everlasting none of which were created---One God. Jesus Christ is the creator of all things, whether animate or inanimate. He created Lucifer and is not His brother. God (all 3 in one) is the Father of our inner being--our spirits are our spiritual mind. Spirit also means breath, wind, air----breath goes back to God who gave it. It is the same breath that He gave to the whales, the fish and everything that breathes and they did not exist before being created either. At death we sleep until the resurrection---it is then we are given our eternal bodies. It is a dreamless sleep and when we wake up, it is like we were never gone and the very next thing we will know is that Jesus is here for us calling us awake and we will be with Him---to die is to be present with the Lord in that sense.

God the Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit were not created. We agree on that.

Now here is the interesting part: The life force that is inside of you and animates
your 'created body' was not created either, because if proceeded from God, who is uncreated.

In your world, God breathed a 'life giving force' into the nostrils of Adams lifeless clay body, and the lifeless body came alive. The new alive body of flesh and bones, and the 'life force' that God breathed into Adam, became a living soul. So God breathed part of His divine Self into Adam and Adam came alive.

So the created part of Adam is one thing, and part of the divine God in Adam is another thing, but together they make up the whole Adam as a living soul.

Again, in your world, the only way Adam's children can come alive is that he and Eve pass this 'life force', (which is a part of the divine God) on to his children. So that their body and a part of the divine God 'life force' coming from A&E will make up the living souls of Cain and Able and Seth (only names of Adam and Eves children given in the bible). And the process continues for all the descendants of A&E.

Did I describe your belief pretty well?

mmksparbud · Sep 9, 2019

Peter1000 said:
God the Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit were not created. We agree on that.

Now here is the interesting part: The life force that is inside of you and animates
your 'created body' was not created either, because if proceeded from God, who is uncreated.

In your world, God breathed a 'life giving force' into the nostrils of Adams lifeless clay body, and the lifeless body came alive. The new alive body of flesh and bones, and the 'life force' that God breathed into Adam, became a living soul. So God breathed part of His divine Self into Adam and Adam came alive.

So the created part of Adam is one thing, and part of the divine God in Adam is another thing, but together they make up the whole Adam as a living soul.

Again, in your world, the only way Adam's children can come alive is that he and Eve pass this 'life force', (which is a part of the divine God) on to his children. So that their body and a part of the divine God 'life force' coming from A&E will make up the living souls of Cain and Able and Seth (only names of Adam and Eves children given in the bible). And the process continues for all the descendants of A&E.

Did I describe your belief pretty well?

The breath belongs to God---same breath He gave a ant. Which can then go on to produce more ants. Same breath He gave to every living creature. Are you saying they all existed before being born also? Pretty crowded up there.

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