How can you think you can judge or play God and set the standard for everyone...?

Neogaia777 · Sep 8, 2019

This came up in another thread, about people who try to classify sins as to set a standard that is or should be for everyone...

The problem with that is that none of you have lived another person's life, so how can you judge...?

God knows the timing, we do not...

And, do you think it is "your own being free or your own making yourself free of "serious sin", or sin as a lifestyle" that saves you, (because they tried to say that anyone committing serious sins" or sinning as a lifestyle excluded people from being saved) anyway, when you have not lived another person's life, but God has, and only God knows, and we do not, etc...

Or are you saying, and/or judging, that anyone who has committed or has serious sin in their life or serious sin as a lifestyle in their life, is never saved, ever...?

And how, or on what basis do you (or those like you) think you can make that kind of judgment...?

You are in error, for you do not know and should not judge...

For that is the most capital crime here, others thinking they can judge, when they cannot, or be God and set the standards for everyone, etc...

That is the main "sin" here...

God Bless!

Not only have you not lived that person's life, or every single one of their specific individual experiences/circumstances in their lives, etc, what was said to them, or sown into them, etc... or not, etc... and, not only that, but you also were not "born as that person" either, having that person's specific and/or biological or otherwise "makeup" at birth, etc, that person's heritage or lineage or past even before they were born, etc, not to mention what happened after, etc...

How can you or me or we judge, when only God and God alone knows those things...

That's the main serious sin that is being committed here, those who think they can judge, or set the one, and only one standard that "everyone" should be judged by, etc, and be judged as to whether they are saved or not saved in God's eyes, or not, etc...

Comments...?

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Sep 8, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
This came up in another thread, about people who try to classify sins as to set a standard that is or should be for everyone...

The problem with that is that none of you have lived another person's life, so how can you judge...?

God knows the timing, we do not...

And, do you think it is "your own being free or your own making yourself free of "serious sin", or sin as a lifestyle" that saves you, (because they tried to say that anyone committing serious sins" or sinning as a lifestyle excluded people from being saved) anyway, when you have not lived another person's life, but God has, and only God knows, and we do not, etc...

Or are you saying, and/or judging, that anyone who has committed or has serious sin in their life or serious sin as a lifestyle in their life, is never saved, ever...?

And how, or on what basis do you (or those like you) think you can make that kind of judgment...?

You are in error, for you do not know and should not judge...

For that is the most capital crime here, others thinking they can judge, when they cannot, or be God and set the standards for everyone, etc...

That is the main "sin" here...

God Bless!

Not only have you not lived that person's life, or every single one of their specific individual experiences/circumstances in their lives, etc, what was said to them, or sown into them, etc... or not, etc... and, not only that, but you also were not "born as that person" either, having that person's specific and/or biological or otherwise "makeup" at birth, etc, that person's heritage or lineage or past even before they were born, etc, not to mention what happened after, etc...

How can you or me or we judge, when only God and God alone knows those things...

That's the main serious sin that is being committed here, those who think they can judge, or set the one, and only one standard that "everyone" should be judged by, etc, and be judged as to whether they are saved or not saved in God's eyes, or not, etc...

Comments...?

God Bless!

Now, that being said, should we not encourage people to do better, to try and not sin or practice sin as a lifestyle or get out of sin...? Yes, we should encourage them not to and do better etc, I'm not saying that we shouldn't, for of course we should... we cannot tell them that sin is perfectly OK IOW's...

But telling them they are excluded or are going to hell is not the answer...

We can tell them it's a risk, and is very risky, and that they should try to get out of it and not do it or practice it (sin) the best they can... That it is never truly fulfilling or satisfying, and can come with some serious consequences both in this life, and possibly in the life to come...

That if you want a good life both either here or there, then it's best to not sin as much as you possibly can, or are able not to, etc...

But, what "way" should we teach them, works and self-will and self-efforts, or something "different"...?

There is a way that is better and actually works (better), etc, that is opposite of self-will and self-efforts, etc, and we should be teaching that way...

Anything other way than that way, never works and is self-defeating in the end, and ends in disaster, and does not make you sinless at all, but in all actuality, just only makes you even way more sinful...

You need a relationship with God, a personal relationship, one that involves communion and communication with Him regularly, and it will be Him doing the work in you to free you from sin, and not you trying to do it all by yourself, or only in your own strength only, etc...

That's where true freedom from sin truly begins, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Sep 8, 2019

Someone said: Judging is very tricky. As soon as you accuse someone else of judging are you not judging that person?

I replied:

Judging someones eternal destiny or salvation, due to this or that, or "sin" or whatever, needs to be avoided lest you condemn your own self eternally...

Other types of judging is permissible, but not always wise, unless it is done right or 100% justly or rightly...

But/and/or/because judging things and matters "other than someone else's eternal destiny" does not affect your eternal destiny...

So, we should not... But matters in and of this life, and pertaining to this life, were actually commanded to, but not when it involves one's eternal destiny or salvation, especially with 100% absolute certainty...

And besides that, only God alone truly even knows anyway...

We are to "warn" people about some things that possibly could involve one's eternal destiny or salvation, make them aware of the "risks", but not judge them, so as to automatically exclude or condemn them, especially for sure, outright, for sure, etc... Because that will only condemn you really...

And were to "watch out" for these or those kind of people that do do that, and have nothing to do with them, especially after you have tried to rebuke or correct them or "warn them" multiple times over (and over and over), and they have not or do not listen, and continue to choose to walk in their pride, egotism, and arrogance, etc...

Etc, etc, etc...

I could go on and on about those types, but I won't...

And I'm not saying, or am I going to say they are eternally condemned either, just that they are taking a great risk, and are gambling, maybe greatly, with their own salvation...

While we are warning, or are trying to warn someone else, we are to look out for our own selves, lest we be condemned, if we condemn, (for sure) etc...

God Bless!

And this as well:

Yes, it's "tricky" sometimes... but as a general rule of thumb, just don't judge peoples eternal destinations for sure, or with 100% absolute certainty, and/or most especially be doing it just to condemn, etc...

That will save you from a lot of trouble...

God Bless!

Soul-searching · Sep 8, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
This came up in another thread, about people who try to classify sins as to set a standard that is or should be for everyone...

The problem with that is that none of you have lived another person's life, so how can you judge...?

God knows the timing, we do not...

And, do you think it is "your own being free or your own making yourself free of "serious sin", or sin as a lifestyle" that saves you, (because they tried to say that anyone committing serious sins" or sinning as a lifestyle excluded people from being saved) anyway, when you have not lived another person's life, but God has, and only God knows, and we do not, etc...

Or are you saying, and/or judging, that anyone who has committed or has serious sin in their life or serious sin as a lifestyle in their life, is never saved, ever...?

And how, or on what basis do you (or those like you) think you can make that kind of judgment...?

You are in error, for you do not know and should not judge...

For that is the most capital crime here, others thinking they can judge, when they cannot, or be God and set the standards for everyone, etc...

That is the main "sin" here...

God Bless!

Not only have you not lived that person's life, or every single one of their specific individual experiences/circumstances in their lives, etc, what was said to them, or sown into them, etc... or not, etc... and, not only that, but you also were not "born as that person" either, having that person's specific and/or biological or otherwise "makeup" at birth, etc, that person's heritage or lineage or past even before they were born, etc, not to mention what happened after, etc...

How can you or me or we judge, when only God and God alone knows those things...

That's the main serious sin that is being committed here, those who think they can judge, or set the one, and only one standard that "everyone" should be judged by, etc, and be judged as to whether they are saved or not saved in God's eyes, or not, etc...

Comments...?

God Bless!

That is so true. I think that we people, often don´t have a lot of self-insight, we think we are this and that, but we are not even close, to the things we think we are. I do believe, it´s as important to work on ourselves, to get to know who we are, as it is to read the bible. If we don´t know who we are, we can´t put things in perspective the right way.The concept of love, is what Christianity is about, if people judge, they go against everything they claim to believe in. I do believe that we will be judged, as we judge others. I do believe that judging is very hard not to do sometimes, we all have great egos, but everytime we want to judge others, we must find a way to stop, and look at ourselves first. Sinning is sinning, we all do it, so no matter how much people love to think they are better than others, we are all equal in sinning.

BNR32FAN · Sep 8, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
This came up in another thread, about people who try to classify sins as to set a standard that is or should be for everyone...

The problem with that is that none of you have lived another person's life, so how can you judge...?

God knows the timing, we do not...

And, do you think it is "your own being free or your own making yourself free of "serious sin", or sin as a lifestyle" that saves you, (because they tried to say that anyone committing serious sins" or sinning as a lifestyle excluded people from being saved) anyway, when you have not lived another person's life, but God has, and only God knows, and we do not, etc...

Or are you saying, and/or judging, that anyone who has committed or has serious sin in their life or serious sin as a lifestyle in their life, is never saved, ever...?

And how, or on what basis do you (or those like you) think you can make that kind of judgment...?

You are in error, for you do not know and should not judge...

For that is the most capital crime here, others thinking they can judge, when they cannot, or be God and set the standards for everyone, etc...

That is the main "sin" here...

God Bless!

Not only have you not lived that person's life, or every single one of their specific individual experiences/circumstances in their lives, etc, what was said to them, or sown into them, etc... or not, etc... and, not only that, but you also were not "born as that person" either, having that person's specific and/or biological or otherwise "makeup" at birth, etc, that person's heritage or lineage or past even before they were born, etc, not to mention what happened after, etc...

How can you or me or we judge, when only God and God alone knows those things...

That's the main serious sin that is being committed here, those who think they can judge, or set the one, and only one standard that "everyone" should be judged by, etc, and be judged as to whether they are saved or not saved in God's eyes, or not, etc...

Comments...?

God Bless!

I certainly struggle in the area of judging other Christians. Not that I do judge them but that I don’t. Paul certainly judged the man in 1 Corinthians who was sleeping with his father’s wife. For me I realize that we are all typically at different levels in our Christianity and have different struggles in our walk with Christ. So I prefer encouragement over excommunication. I certainly needed encouragement when I first became a Christian and backslid a few times.

bèlla · Sep 8, 2019

My first response is prayer. I’m fastidious regarding place and my position in their lives. I am rarely asked to address a stranger about something serious. But the Lord will prompt me to give them an encouraging word that ministers to them.

If a believer approaches me I ask a simple question, is this a word from the Holy Spirit or your personal opinion? This always brings the conversation to a halt.

There are specific ways the Lord brings a message to me. In direct communication its with two loved ones. Indirectly, through something I’ve read, heard, or written to another. That is His pattern with me.

Faultfinding isn’t my forte. If I don’t have a word from Him, I keep my mouth shut and wish others would do the same. It stirs up strife and nothing good comes from that.

childeye 2 · Sep 8, 2019

Neogaia777 said:
This came up in another thread, about people who try to classify sins as to set a standard that is or should be for everyone...

The problem with that is that none of you have lived another person's life, so how can you judge...?

God knows the timing, we do not...

And, do you think it is "your own being free or your own making yourself free of "serious sin", or sin as a lifestyle" that saves you, (because they tried to say that anyone committing serious sins" or sinning as a lifestyle excluded people from being saved) anyway, when you have not lived another person's life, but God has, and only God knows, and we do not, etc...

Or are you saying, and/or judging, that anyone who has committed or has serious sin in their life or serious sin as a lifestyle in their life, is never saved, ever...?

And how, or on what basis do you (or those like you) think you can make that kind of judgment...?

You are in error, for you do not know and should not judge...

For that is the most capital crime here, others thinking they can judge, when they cannot, or be God and set the standards for everyone, etc...

That is the main "sin" here...

God Bless!

Not only have you not lived that person's life, or every single one of their specific individual experiences/circumstances in their lives, etc, what was said to them, or sown into them, etc... or not, etc... and, not only that, but you also were not "born as that person" either, having that person's specific and/or biological or otherwise "makeup" at birth, etc, that person's heritage or lineage or past even before they were born, etc, not to mention what happened after, etc...

How can you or me or we judge, when only God and God alone knows those things...

That's the main serious sin that is being committed here, those who think they can judge, or set the one, and only one standard that "everyone" should be judged by, etc, and be judged as to whether they are saved or not saved in God's eyes, or not, etc...

Comments...?

God Bless!

I study semantics. Your sentiments come across as a rebuke meant for the self-righteous. The term "judgment" or "judging" has both positive and negative denotations and connotations. Respectfully, you need to articulate your thoughts with the term "hypocritical" judgment, so as to differentiate from "sound" judgment. The nuances of what self righteousness is, and the forms it manifests into, are cultivated in an ideology founded in the ignorance of what corrupts the soul. There's a reason why Jesus said the sick need a Doctor when referring to sinners. In that sense self-righteousness can be considered a sickness/blindness too. Both are a product of the same corruption.

We're always drawing distinctions between right and wrong which can be easily misconstrued as judging. Wherefore simply by standing in the right place a person can be accused of accusing others who don't stand with them. In Romans 2:1 Paul is talking about judging hypocritically, and this hypocritical judgment is qualified by the intent to condemn others.

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