Best "No Planes" theory presentation yet

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From the Forum Statement of Purpose, it sounds like it's a little more than a simple "hobbies and entertainment" area.

This is a forum for discussing topics that are considered to be conspiracy theories. This means that your OP should present a conspiracy theory that you believe in and can post supporting evidence for (i.e. YouTube videos, articles, deductive reasoning). Other members may then ask questions and/or challenge the content of your posts with opposing data. Choosing to participate in this forum means that you are aware that your personal beliefs and theories may be challenged
That sounds like a conspiracy theory itself. Start your own thread. lol
Why would good, upstanding Christians falsely categorize?
You might be under - thinking this. ;)
 
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I saw the second plane hit the tower in real time.

No one 'doctored' me.

Scores of thousands are like me.

The only doctoring is removal of the second plane.
No thanks, you leave the too many versions unchallenged and all you offer is unreliable eye witness and an exaggeration of how many eye witnesses there are.
The plane crash in the woods in Pennsylvania was as debris free as the Pentagon strike.
 
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There's a whole scenario for swapping out planes, faking passengers & manifests, etc.
Actors in false flags are so routine now they openly advertise for "crisis actors."
Rick, are you saying you believe the planes were swapped out and that there were no actual passengers on board? You do realize that families were destroyed, husbands lost, wives lost from these planes? There were real people, real Americans with real families.

You can look up the passenger list. You can see the actual loss. You can read stories from widows and widowers and children without parents.

Are you saying all that is fake?

Are you saying that the bosses who had to hire new people because their employees died on the planes are making it up? Are you saying the widows and widowers are all actors themselves? Are the kids who lost parents make believe?

This really happened. It’s not hard to see.

Your belief that the plane was swapped shows a level of ignorance that is staggering beyond comprehension.

No thanks, you leave the too many versions unchallenged and all you offer is unreliable eye witness
Why is his eyewitness account unreliable?
 
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QUOTE="JohnAshton, I saw the second plane hit the towers.
I'm not disputing that.
Both the Pentagon and PA sites were adequately littered.
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Clearly they were not. And the one piece of an engine they said they found didn't match the alleged plane. It was likely a cruise missile.
 
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QUOTE="SPF, Rick, are you saying you believe the planes were swapped out and that there were no actual passengers on board?
If you expect to continue conversing with me, you need to understand something VERY basic.

I do not discuss these topics in terms of "what I believe", OK? I said there are scenarios already think tanked out for black ops maneuvers of this sort. I do not intend to sweat out every detail with anyone who doesn't even do basic theory research. You believe this sort of thing is plausible or you don't.
If you don't, that's fine, you're comfortably in the majority. But appreciate our difference and ignore me as I ignore people who've decided none of this stuff IS plausible. My main point in being here is to share information, not find out what people believe. Please allow me the same consideration if only because of my disinterest. I want info.


You do realize that families were destroyed, husbands lost, wives lost from these planes? There were real people, real Americans with real families.
If you can't deal with the theory, fine. But get off my back about what I "do realize", thanks.
We can talk theory, but not if you're gonna throw shade on me. Take that garbage out.


You can look up the passenger list. You can see the actual loss. You can read stories from widows and widowers and children without parents.
I can go to the movies and eat popcorn.

Are you saying all that is fake?
I'm saying what theory allows as plausible. Do you get the difference? Can you contain yourself even a little? Do you have to turn every statement into a personal hill to die on?
If you can't understand how abusive your orientation to the subject is, you won't get any positive feedback.


Are you saying that the bosses who had to hire new people because their employees died on the planes are making it up? Are you saying the widows and widowers are all actors themselves? Are the kids who lost parents make believe?
You have no idea how conspiracy works. Get a clue and bone up because I'm not obligated to explain these simplest of ruses to willfully ignorant gadfly wannabees.
This really happened. It’s not hard to see.
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion of this conspiracy theory. I'm sure it is as invaluable to someone.

Your belief that the plane was swapped shows a level of ignorance that is staggering beyond comprehension.
Do you really believe I'm staggeringly ignorant beyond cmprehension?
Because you may have well have said I am staggeringly ignorant beyond comprehension, except being direct like an honest person would put at odds with the rules.
OK. Keep playing that game, mister "SPF".
It's a class act. ;)

Why is his eyewitness account unreliable?
Eyewitness accounts have been proven so many times.
The question itself shows a level of... see what I mean?

Thanks for all your disrespect SPF. You really show your colors. I have new appreciation for your choice of avatar. :)
 
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I saw the second plane hit the towers.

Both the Pentagon and PA sites were adequately littered.
We were at work in our office and happened to be on the phone with a business associate when the Pentagon plane hit, he literally screamed on the phone because he saw it happen as we were talking to him.
 
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<staff edit>

So please do so? Empty assertions without any supporting evidence are worthless.

Do you really believe I'm staggeringly ignorant beyond cmprehension?
If you believe that the planes weren’t full of people and that all the hundreds of people that were reported as dying on the plane didn’t actually die and that hundreds of fake lives were created with hundreds of fake families including children, then yes, I think your ignorance on this subject is staggering.

People with real families and real loved ones died on those planes. If you hold to some conspiracy where planes didn’t hit the towers, then you have to account for all the people that were on the planes used in the plot and explain how they all actually died. Because real people who were on those planes did die. Families and lives were destroyed.
 
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Those who believe these conspiracies have been 'swapped out' on critical thinking skills.

The theories are built on the thousands and thousands of broken families, members, and friends.

Those who don't believe that the twin towers plain strikes happened are, yes, woefully and abysmally ignorant of the facts.
 
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Those who believe these conspiracies have been 'swapped out' on critical thinking skills.

The theories are built on the thousands and thousands of broken families, members, and friends.

Are you trying to convince yourself?

Because, what you just said is a psychological response manufactured for your mind, specifically. And, you dismiss plenty of people who have already been vindicated.

If you can't even ENTERTAIN magic, you will never be able to break the spell you are under. In fact, your logic handicaps you as it does everyone - why is why you must respond the way you do.
 
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"It" is what was seen. "It happen". That pronoun must refer to the alleged plane. Surely the towers, not the pentagon.
I remember reading about the lack of debris and the phony engine.


...If anyone is the least bit interested, eyewitness and numerous phone videos are addressed in the video. I realize expecting you to actually take a peek is a lot to ask, especially when you already know everything because you watched it on TV. Such is the joy of this entertaining hobby we call conspiracy theory I suppose.
 
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Are you trying to convince yourself?

Because, what you just said is a psychological response manufactured for your mind, specifically. And, you dismiss plenty of people who have already been vindicated.

If you can't even ENTERTAIN magic, you will never be able to break the spell you are under. In fact, your logic handicaps you as it does everyone - why is why you must respond the way you do.
Recent studies show that 7 out of 5 people have problems with cogitating conspiracy theory. ;)
 
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I respond the way I do because I can critically think, I can look at the evidence, and I can do the heavy lifting.

Those who believe in the conspiracies are on their own remit, and I have no duty to them.

Critical thinking would tell you that you shouldn't make a broad statement as you did about something for which you have no exposure.

I know you don't know what you are talking aboit, b3cause many conspiracies are DECLASSIFIED by the US government. You do what everyone handicapped by logic does - appeal to intellect and dismiss based on a pre-packaged set of allowable postulates given to you by your programmer educators.

Critical thinking would be to cross reference, research and begin from a basis of entertainment instead of producing a cliche response based on the general psychology of a lost population.

If you have no duty to conspiracy theorists, why make a comment about them as if you have thought about it and researched it for years? CLEARLY you must have studied these people to reach the pointed conclusion about them, their friends and family dynamics and psychology. Because, you would just say that like everyone else does who tries to dismiss something they fear, or don't understand, right?

Your logic is a handicap to seeing the world for what it is.
 
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I respond the way I do because I can critically think, I can look at the evidence, and I can do the heavy lifting.

Those who believe in the conspiracies are on their own remit, and I have no duty to them.
I am a rock, I am an island, and an island feels no pain. :)
 
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Critical thinking would tell you that you shouldn't make a broad statement as you did about something for which you have no exposure.

I know you don't know what you are talking aboit, b3cause many conspiracies are DECLASSIFIED by the US government. You do what everyone handicapped by logic does - appeal to intellect and dismiss based on a pre-packaged set of allowable postulates given to you by your programmer educators.

Critical thinking would be to cross reference, research and begin from a basis of entertainment instead of producing a cliche response based on the general psychology of a lost population.

If you have no duty to conspiracy theorists, why make a comment about them as if you have thought about it and researched it for years? CLEARLY you must have studied these people to reach the pointed conclusion about them, their friends and family dynamics and psychology. Because, you would just say that like everyone else does who tries to dismiss something they fear, or don't understand, right?

Your logic is a handicap to seeing the world for what it is.
I frequently find social obligation & self worth to be directly disproportionate.
 
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