"I AM the Chosen One"

ArmenianJohn · Sep 7, 2019

Biblewriter said:
The video was not fake. but what they made of it was.

There's no difference. If there is, feel free to explain it. What I printed in my post was what he said in the video. You're backpedaling now and avoiding your own earlier claim that people who claim to be Christians but then say things directly opposed to the basics of Christianity are fake Christians. You're claiming that the video is different from what I printed but it is not. That's why you're not able to show any difference.

ArmenianJohn · Sep 7, 2019

miggles said:
i'm saying i believe most trump haters are atheists.

Most of Trump's biggest supporters are atheists.

miggles · Sep 7, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
Most of Trump's biggest supporters are atheists.

source?

ArmenianJohn · Sep 7, 2019

miggles said:
source?

Right after you give me your source that most trump haters are atheists

Jamsie · Sep 7, 2019

Albion said:
That's what people who vowed from the start of his presidency that they would do anything--whatever it takes--to get him out of office have said. You can appreciate, therefore, why the claims that he has lied 7,238 times or similar absurdities are not taken seriously by anyone with an open mind.

The valid claims of his lies are not taken seriously because you choose to either deny or somehow skew. Whether people "vowed" to get him out of office or not he has proven himself to be exactly what many anticipated...very much including his incessant lying.

I would agree that perhaps some of the myriad contentions of outright lies may by looking at them individually be simply false by virtue of ignorance or misspeaks. However, the continual flow of falsehoods would have a reasoned "open" mind to conclude what is clearly evident as to the veracity of his statements, claims, and rhetoric in general. So that his claims of "fake news" about Ms. Daniels payment, Trunbull phone call, voter fraud, military raises, China calls, Mueller firing, etc., etc., etc. would also justify questioning most anything he states....

miggles · Sep 7, 2019

ArmenianJohn said:
Right after you give me your source that most trump haters are atheists

it's common knowledge what i said.

Jamsie · Sep 7, 2019

miggles said:
it's common knowledge what i said.

Then it should be quite easy to post a source for your claim. If you look through the threads here you will find many Christians who do not support trump's rhetoric and behavior...calling it hate is simply to excuse the obvious.

A Christian Case Against Donald Trump

miggles · Sep 7, 2019

Jamsie said:
Then it should be quite easy to post a source for your claim. If you look through the threads here you will find many Christians who do not support trump's rhetoric and behavior...calling it hate is simply to excuse the obvious.

A Christian Case Against Donald Trump

the Christians who do not support trump are misinformed.

Jamsie · Sep 7, 2019

miggles said:
the Christians who do not support trump are misinformed.

Misinformed about what exactly? Misinformed that his rhetoric and behavior are antithetical to Christianity? ...Consider this, Christians who support trump have abdicated their ability to pass any moral judgements.

Albion · Sep 7, 2019

Jamsie said:
Then it should be quite easy to post a source for your claim....

A Christian Case Against Donald Trump

I see that you are offering, as a source for your claim, a single editorial written by a professor who says this about himself:

"For many years, I’ve also been a speaker for the Kentucky Humanities Council, and I contribute to a blog for Psychology Today, “Ethics for Everyone.” And I’ve recently started a Facebook page dedicated to discussing issues related to my forthcoming book with Eerdmans, entitled God and Guns in America: God and Guns in America"

No surprises there, huh? :sigh:

Jamsie · Sep 7, 2019

Albion said:
I see that you are offering, as a source for your claim, a single editorial written by a professor who says this about himself:

"For many years, I’ve also been a speaker for the Kentucky Humanities Council, and I contribute to a blog for Psychology Today, “Ethics for Everyone.” And I’ve recently started a Facebook page dedicated to discussing issues related to my forthcoming book with Eerdmans, entitled God and Guns in America: God and Guns in America"
No surprises there, huh?

Number 24 in the trump/sanders playbook (Attack the messenger)...what that he wrote did you disagree with exactly? Are you of the mind that all Christians support trump? I'll wait for you to support the claim that most anti-trumpers are Atheists...?

ArmenianJohn · Sep 7, 2019

miggles said:
it's common knowledge what i said.

No, it's not. It's common knowledge that atheists support Trump.

ArmenianJohn · Sep 7, 2019

miggles said:
the Christians who do not support trump are misinformed.

The Christians who support Trump are misinformed. To them, I suggest reading the Bible, especially the part about taking the Lord's name in vain.

Albion · Sep 7, 2019

Make up some more things that I'm supposed to defend although I have never asserted them? Maybe this will be fun.

Jamsie · Sep 7, 2019

Albion said:
Make up some more things that I'm supposed to defend although I have never asserted them? Maybe this will be fun.

Well, you were answering to a post based on the contention that most trump "haters" are Atheists, were you not? Since you chose to question Austin's piece then it should "be fun" for you to actually address the points raised rather then to simply dismiss, shouldn't it?

Albion · Sep 7, 2019

Jamsie said:
Well, you were answering to a post based on the contention that most trump "haters" are Atheists, were you not?

In that post of mine, did I mention atheists or quote something that referred to atheists and a claim that most of them are Trump haters? If not, then I did not offer any opinion on that.

Jamsie · Sep 7, 2019

Albion said:
In that post of mine, did I mention atheists or quote something that referred to atheists and a claim that most of them are Trump haters? If not, then I did not offer any opinion on that.

So what exactly were you responding to in your post? If it was Austin's piece then still waiting for you to address his points... or is this simply your entrenched Number 24 and inability to respond beyond rhetorical dancing?

Albion · Sep 7, 2019

Jamsie said:
So what exactly were you responding to in your post? If it was Austin's piece then still waiting for you to address his points... or is this simply your entrenched Number 24 and inability to respond beyond rhetorical dancing?

You were wrong. Let it go at that.

Jamsie · Sep 7, 2019

Albion said:
You were wrong. Let it go at that.

I should have not expected anything more... typical attribute of trumplicans. Interesting, at least to me, that in perusing "General Theology" we are so much in agreement (as with Mt. 16:18) yet worlds away with Trumpism.... gone!

FreeinChrist · Sep 7, 2019

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