How Gullible are we?
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Here is where the Christian crowd get you ...
Revelation 7
9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands,
10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”
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Thank God, for He knows salvation is too important to be left in our foolish hands. As all things proceed from Him, so too will all things return. Selah.
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Reminder: Don't flame other views.
Attributing them to the Devil or Babylon is a flame.
MOD HAT OFF
Reminder: Don't flame other views.
Attributing them to the Devil or Babylon is a flame.
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The bible never says that the earth is a sphere, spinning or orbiting... in fact it doesn't say it's moving at all.
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You know..... it's funny.. people will state that the bible doesn't describe the earth as flat... or enclosed.....as an argument............ their argument..
However............ claim that the bible doesn't state that the earth is spherical, spinning or moving.. and they deflect with the comment.. so often heard here when the bible contradicts common views.... The the bible is not a science book... or, a slightly different angle.."point of the Bible message is not to describe the physical construct of our universe."
I disagree..
say what you like about your personal opinion on what the scriptures say.. but I whole heatedly think that God wanted us to understand the physical construct of our universe.
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Totally wrong.
The Bible is NOT a science book. God's creation is not explained in detail. It is told to us as a 'story'.
It is very easily misinterpreted and misunderstood as is evident by Christian FE believers.
God has given us science to help us understand the earth etc.
Man has travelled into space. Man has shown the earth to be a sphere. The evidence is overwhelming and factual. Yet, you, my friend, refute that evidence. The whole plethora or scientists, space agencies, universities, engineers, academics, astronomers, entrepreneurs etc are all 'lying' or 'in on a massive conspiracy' according to you and your FE friends!
God's word has been twisted to create many wars and now, in our times, it is twisted to create false truths about His creation
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I recall that the Bible has been twisted, as you suggest, to support the cause of slavery.
My wife and I recently visited the Bible Museum in Washington D.C., and one of the exhibits was on the "Slave Bible", which was given to American slaves to justify their enslavement.
In this "Bible", over 90% of the text had been removed, leaving only verses which can be misinterpreted to make slavery appear to be the will of God for some.
These are the types of utilizations of the Bible which demean it in the sight of non-believers. Ignoring the clear message of God's love for mankind which springs forth from the united volume, ... in order to find justifications for their own imaginations.
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I’m not at all surprised to see language in Scripture that makes it sound as if the earth is flat. The Israelites who penned the Bible, were not, to my knowledge, scientists and astronomers.
God works in culture as it is. God’s plan with the Israelites wasn’t to teach them all things about reality. He worked with them as they were. He corrected them and taught them
With regards to HIS nature, but he didn’t teach them all things astronomical.
When Joshua said the sun stood still in the sky, he was writing about what he literally saw. I believe 100% that God performed a miracle and that everyone there saw the sun “stand still” in the sky and not move.
But what God didn’t do, and what God didn’t need to do was privately enlighten Joshua to the nature and reality of space, the sun’s location, rotation and everything He actually did behind the scenes to make it look like the sun was standing still.
God works in culture as it is. God’s plan with the Israelites wasn’t to teach them all things about reality. He worked with them as they were. He corrected them and taught them
With regards to HIS nature, but he didn’t teach them all things astronomical.
When Joshua said the sun stood still in the sky, he was writing about what he literally saw. I believe 100% that God performed a miracle and that everyone there saw the sun “stand still” in the sky and not move.
But what God didn’t do, and what God didn’t need to do was privately enlighten Joshua to the nature and reality of space, the sun’s location, rotation and everything He actually did behind the scenes to make it look like the sun was standing still.
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If the reaction the subject got at my church from the entire room is any indication, none of them are flat earthers. Granted, my church is quite smaller, only about twenty members. But still.
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It isn't, really. I heard a few stories about it a few years ago, but by and large, it was just a flash in the pan thing as far as the world went. It's an interesting curiosity, but for the most part it's relegated to Youtube videos and ignored by the world at large.
Google Trends is a decent barometer, at least of its popularity. The term 'flat earth' peeked in popularity a year or so ago, and while it's had some spikes since then, it's currently at nearly a fourth of its peak, and the trend is clearly going back down, getting very close to where it was in 2004. It's also interesting to note that it seems to be a mostly Western thing, and primarily in English speaking countries - the further you get away from European countries, the less it comes up. India and China together account for 37% of the world's population - it's barely a blip in India, and in China it doesn't even get enough data to properly calculate.
If the reaction the subject got at my church from the entire room is any indication, none of them are flat earthers. Granted, my church is quite smaller, only about twenty members. But still.
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It isn't, really. I heard a few stories about it a few years ago, but by and large, it was just a flash in the pan thing as far as the world went. It's an interesting curiosity, but for the most part it's relegated to Youtube videos and ignored by the world at large.
Google Trends is a decent barometer, at least of its popularity. The term 'flat earth' peeked in popularity a year or so ago, and while it's had some spikes since then, it's currently at nearly a fourth of its peak, and the trend is clearly going back down, getting very close to where it was in 2004. It's also interesting to note that it seems to be a mostly Western thing, and primarily in English speaking countries - the further you get away from European countries, the less it comes up. India and China together account for 37% of the world's population - it's barely a blip in India, and in China it doesn't even get enough data to properly calculate.
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Yes, that is a great verse.... and.... doesn’t mean the earth is flat.
Just like we don’t take all the anthropomorphic language about God literally.
Just like we don’t believe it’s right to have slaves any more.
Just like we don’t believe women are to only have long hair and be absolutely silent in Church any more.
Many things said and done in Scripture were cultural. God didn’t need to, and He didn’t reveal all the truths about reality to the Israelites. He didn’t need to tell the Israelites how large space was to accomplish His plan.
Yes, that is a great verse.... and.... doesn’t mean the earth is flat.
Just like we don’t take all the anthropomorphic language about God literally.
Just like we don’t believe it’s right to have slaves any more.
Just like we don’t believe women are to only have long hair and be absolutely silent in Church any more.
Many things said and done in Scripture were cultural. God didn’t need to, and He didn’t reveal all the truths about reality to the Israelites. He didn’t need to tell the Israelites how large space was to accomplish His plan.
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Yes, that is a great verse.... and.... doesn’t mean the earth is flat.
Just like we don’t take all the anthropomorphic language about God literally.
Just like we don’t believe it’s right to have slaves any more.
Just like we don’t believe women are to only have long hair and be absolutely silent in Church any more.
Many things said and done in Scripture were cultural. God didn’t need to, and He didn’t reveal all the truths about reality to the Israelites. He didn’t need to tell the Israelites how large space was to accomplish His plan.
Yes, that is a great verse.... and.... doesn’t mean the earth is flat.
Just like we don’t take all the anthropomorphic language about God literally.
Just like we don’t believe it’s right to have slaves any more.
Just like we don’t believe women are to only have long hair and be absolutely silent in Church any more.
Many things said and done in Scripture were cultural. God didn’t need to, and He didn’t reveal all the truths about reality to the Israelites. He didn’t need to tell the Israelites how large space was to accomplish His plan.
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So, it is not a science book... Yet people will go to the bible to state "the bible does not describe a FE".... However, these people will not allow others to say "The bible does not describe a spherical spinning ball" without being told the worn out retort of "The bible is not a science book.Totally wrong.
The Bible is NOT a science book. God's creation is not explained in detail. It is told to us as a 'story'.
It is very easily misinterpreted and misunderstood as is evident by Christian FE believers.
God has given us science to help us understand the earth etc.
Man has travelled into space. Man has shown the earth to be a sphere. The evidence is overwhelming and factual. Yet, you, my friend, refute that evidence. The whole plethora or scientists, space agencies, universities, engineers, academics, astronomers, entrepreneurs etc are all 'lying' or 'in on a massive conspiracy' according to you and your FE friends!
God's word has been twisted to create many wars and now, in our times, it is twisted to create false truths about His creation
Of course it's not... An inland sea parting down the middle to reveal dry ground... not scientific.
Marching around a city, blowing horns, and the walls fall down... Not scientific
The sun and moon stopping in the sky... Not scientific
A man getting strong due to never cutting his hair.... Not scientific
A virgin,,, getting pregnant, in those days... Not scientific.
A man healing his hand, sick with leprosy, by dipping it in a river seven times... Not scientific.
A talking donkey, snake.. Not scientific.
Men, being thrown into a furnace and not being burned... Not scientific.
Men in chains, having them fall off... not scientific
This doesn't even begin to touch on the events of the bible that are not scientific..
Guess they are not true.... because the Bible is not a science book.
Oh but wait...
Washing your hands in running water.. totally scientific and beyond knowledge at that time.
The Scriptures speak of Invisible Structure Hebrews 11:3. Science has recently discovered the universe is made of atoms, whereas scripture knew of this for 2,000 years.
The Bible and the Science of Oceanography Psalm 8:8. Ray tells a story about Matthew Maury (1806 - 1873), who is considered the father of oceanography and discovered many things after reading this Bible verse.
The Bible and Radio Waves Job 38:35. Ray says this verse tells that light can be sent and manifest itself in speech.
The Bible and Entropy Isaiah 51:6, Psalm 102:25, 26 and Hebrews 1:11 indicate the earth is wearing out, and concludes this is about the Second Law of Thermodynamics
The Bible and the Water Cycle Ecclesiastes 1:7. He also points out Ecclesiastes 1:3 and Amos 9:6.
The Book of Job and Air Mass Only a single quote is provided for this piece: “Scripture tells us in Job 28:25 that there is ‘a weight for the wind.’ Long before it was recognized that the air had weight (sixteenth century)
The Book of Job and Springs of the Sea Another quote from Gunther (that's it!): “Modern deep-sea-diving cameras have discovered amazing hot-water vents on the floor of the oceans
The Bible and the Immune System Comfort says the following: The Bible instructs that male babies are to be circumcised on the eighth day (Genesis 17:12). Medical science has now discovered that this is the day that the coagulating factor in the blood, called prothrombin, is the highest
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It would be something not to get religious about, imho.
But our bodies do express some imperfection... unless you can make my car run on urine. (lol)
Seriously, though some of us are born with something extra or something missing.
It's an individual judgement call, I think.
Sacramentology is an interesting subject.
It would be something not to get religious about, imho.
But our bodies do express some imperfection... unless you can make my car run on urine. (lol)
Seriously, though some of us are born with something extra or something missing.
It's an individual judgement call, I think.
Sacramentology is an interesting subject.
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These, ... plus your other examples, ... are prime examples of the Bible not being a scientific tome.
The Bible is, primarily, supernatural ... science deals in the natural.
Which is not to say that the hints of the natural world are not occasionally found in scripture. The point is that it's not the focus of the Biblical message to explain the natural world. Such is clearly the case, given the vast amount of knowledge we have acquired about the natural world ... which the Bible only hints at.
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