Judas why was he picked?

Vicky gould · Sep 6, 2019

Strong in Him said:
Is coming, yes; nothing to do with Judas Iscariot who has already lived and died.

Ok, if that's what you believe.
I'm not getting into that because I don't understand, and don't know if I believe, it. Fair enough but don’t say the 31/2 Weeks is not there it is

No.
Jesus was man and God so that he could mediate between man and God, Hebrews 9:15. He is, and always was, God and became human so that he could pray for us as our great High Priest, Hebrews 2:17.
The anti Christ will be a man; ONLY a man, and someone who is totally opposed to Christ. Judas was chosen by Christ, followed him, listened to him, did miracles and cast out demons. The verses that show anti-christ is only a man.please begin with. ez. 28 and any other references

You are writing as if Judas and the anti-Christ are the same person; they are 2 different beings. Judas has lived and died, the anti-Christ is still to come - even you have said that. Jesus are those who say the same error about the Christ He was a man and died nothing more. Who is each of the following as far as Satan, heaven? Earth? Air? No one nowhere?

Judas didn't have a head wound in any case. Said I misspoke the head wound does not happen until he returns

You said that his name should tell us that he is anti Christ. I just pointed out that, as we were talking about Judas, his name does not mean anything of the kind. Again, you are writing as though Judas and the anti-Christ are the same person - they are not. The comparison was antiChrists title and the Christ’s

Re read that Scripture - "that could almost fool the elect". In my Bible, Matthew 24:24 says " .. will perform signs to deceive even the elect - if that were possible". Mark uses the same words.

Again, the anti-Christ is the anti-Christ. He will appear in end times, perform signs and wonders to lead people astray and appear to be like a god so that people worship him. Future - still to come.
Judas Iscariot was a man, a human being with parents and ancestors, who was chosen to be a disciple, betrayed Jesus, killed himself and is dead. Past - it happened.

No, but he was sent out with the other 11, with authority over all demons, to preach the Kingdom of God and heal the sick. He is not recorded as leading someone to Christ, true; then again, we don't know if someone believed because they heard Judas preaching. And you can hardly call me out on something that Scripture does not say, when your posts are full of things that Scripture does not say. You claim the things I claim are not in Scripture yet they are it is the conclusions I have drawn that you disagree and that is your choice to do so.

I was ASKING if that's what you were saying. It wasn't clear to me; I asked a question.

One of them is A devil.
Judas Iscariot was not the devil.
How many translations have you read for these verses. The one this site has available says the not a as you claim.
The devil was created as an angel of light, called Lucifer. He tried to overpower God and become greater than God; obviously he could not succeed and was thrown out of heaven, with many angels who had sided with him. The devil was around before the world was created; he was the serpent in the Garden of Eden and was behind all Job's sufferings, Job 1. The devil tempted Jesus in the wilderness, and then went away and left him for a while.

Okay where was he thrown. God the Father has had the distinct displease of having Satan in heaven accusing the brethren day and night then we have someone being held prisoner with the fallen angels in the Bottomless Pit, the Abyss and then we have someone called the spirit of anti-Christ. At work in the air.

Judas Iscariot was a human being; not eternal, only 30-40 years, or so, old. He was chosen to be a disciple, followed Jesus for 3 years seeing, and doing, miracles. Then he betrayed Jesus and died. If Judas was the devil then we would have no evil in the world now, because Judas is dead.
The devil is not dead - yet, though Jesus defeated him on the cross.

Well exactly - yet you seem to be saying that the anti-Christ was Judas Iscariot. I am saying there is being named anti-Christ and from what Scripture says about him he got have come as Judas and with the Lord saying that JUdas is the Devil and twice saying is the son of perdition

If you are NOT saying that the anti-Christ was Judas Iscariot, then I apologise for misunderstanding nope not misunderstanding me I along quite a few others believe Judas was who think he may have been the incarnate anti-Christ as Christ is the Incarnate Christ

But maybe you should be a little clearer in what you are saying, rather than resort to sarcasm because something that you wrote was not clear.

sdowney717 · Sep 6, 2019

miggles said:
he didn't "happily" take it. he hesitantly took it. and threw it back at them when he realized his plan had failed. then hung himself.

Come on, he went looking to get paid. Judas was a thief too.
Judas would steal money donations.
What is this Judas love some people have.

Jesus also when Peter was under the influence of Satan, prayed for Peter, but Jesus prayed not for Judas.

Judas was a devil, his fate was predetermined. By Jesus calling Judas a devil, this shows Judas true allegiance was not to Christ, but to the devil. So then Judas also shares the devil's fate and went to hell.

miggles · Sep 6, 2019

i can't get the hang of this board.

miggles · Sep 6, 2019

sdowney717 said:
What is this Judas love some people have.

i don't love judas. i just understand his position. and Jesus would not pick a devil for a disciple.

Strong in Him · Sep 7, 2019

Vicky gould said:
There is plenty of reason to believe he is anti-Christ.

And there are plenty of reasons to believe that he wasn't.
I don't think you realise that you are contradicting yourself.
Eg:

Vicky gould said:
The verses that show anti-christ is only a man.

and

Vicky gould said:
and Judas being a fallen angel is also alive

Judas cannot have been ONLY a man AND a fallen angel.
Scripture does not say that he was a fallen angel, in any case.

Vicky gould said:
You claim the things I claim are not in Scripture yet they are it is the conclusions I have drawn that you disagree and that is your choice to do so.

You said that Judas is a fallen angel; that's not in Scripture.

There is a difference between something being a Scriptural truth - i.e it is repeated many times in different places - and something being in Scripture - i.e a verse yanked out of context and used to build a doctrine.
Your quotes seem to be the latter. E.g a lot of your argument depends on the fact that, you think, Jesus called Judas THE devil - yet, as you have been shown, THE devil was around long before Judas was even born. Then you find a verse in one of Paul's letters to try to back up what you are saying. That doesn't make what you are saying Scriptural.

Vicky gould said:
How many translations have you read for these verses. The one this site has available says the not a as you claim.

Like I said, it should be obvious that Judas was not THE devil.
Judas was not in the Garden of Eden, and you, yourself, said in post #74 that Satan was in the Garden of Eden.
Judas was not around in Job's time - Job 1.
Judas did not tempt Jesus in the wilderness before Jesus chose his 12 disciples.

The bottom line is that you can believe what you like, but taking verses out of context; taking one verse here, a bit of another verse there and making a doctrine from them, does not prove that what you are saying is Scriptural.
IF Judas Iscariot was the anti Christ, then the anti Christ is dead, because Judas Iscariot is dead. End of discussion.

Strong in Him · Sep 7, 2019

sdowney717 said:
What is this Judas love some people have.

It's not Judas love, it's looking at the facts and trying to understand him.
Yes, Judas was a thief and betrayed Jesus.
But he was also one of the 12, deliberately chosen by Jesus himself.
He was sent out, with the other 11 disciples, to preach the Kingdom of God, heal and drive out demons, and every time the Gospels speak of "the 12", that included Judas.
He took 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus - and gave it back when he realised he had betrayed an innocent man. He told the priests that Jesus was innocent, Matthew 27:4, but they didn't care. Judas then threw the money down and went and took his own life, Matthew 27:5.

Judas' main mistake was that he wasn't expecting the resurrection - but then, none of them were. He had condemned someone who was innocent, Jesus was going to die, end of story - as far as he was concerned. Generally, people take their own life because they are in despair, and/or great pain and can see no other way out; they genuinely believe the world would be a better place without them in it. Would God condemn someone like that; someone who made a mistake while in despair? I don't believe so. That is about God, not Judas.

ToBeLoved · Sep 7, 2019

Strong in Him said:
It's not Judas love, it's looking at the facts and trying to understand him.
Yes, Judas was a thief and betrayed Jesus.
But he was also one of the 12, deliberately chosen by Jesus himself.
He was sent out, with the other 11 disciples, to preach the Kingdom of God, heal and drive out demons, and every time the Gospels speak of "the 12", that included Judas.
He took 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus - and gave it back when he realised he had betrayed an innocent man. He told the priests that Jesus was innocent, Matthew 27:4, but they didn't care. Judas then threw the money down and went and took his own life, Matthew 27:5.

Judas' main mistake was that he wasn't expecting the resurrection - but then, none of them were. He had condemned someone who was innocent, Jesus was going to die, end of story - as far as he was concerned. Generally, people take their own life because they are in despair, and/or great pain and can see no other way out; they genuinely believe the world would be a better place without them in it. Would God condemn someone like that; someone who made a mistake while in despair? I don't believe so. That is about God, not Judas.

Are you forgetting that Jesus called Judas the son of perdition?

It seems you are going against God’s evaluation of Judas.

sdowney717 · Sep 7, 2019

Strong in Him said:
It's not Judas love, it's looking at the facts and trying to understand him.
Yes, Judas was a thief and betrayed Jesus.
But he was also one of the 12, deliberately chosen by Jesus himself.
He was sent out, with the other 11 disciples, to preach the Kingdom of God, heal and drive out demons, and every time the Gospels speak of "the 12", that included Judas.
He took 30 pieces of silver to betray Jesus - and gave it back when he realised he had betrayed an innocent man. He told the priests that Jesus was innocent, Matthew 27:4, but they didn't care. Judas then threw the money down and went and took his own life, Matthew 27:5.

Judas' main mistake was that he wasn't expecting the resurrection - but then, none of them were. He had condemned someone who was innocent, Jesus was going to die, end of story - as far as he was concerned. Generally, people take their own life because they are in despair, and/or great pain and can see no other way out; they genuinely believe the world would be a better place without them in it. Would God condemn someone like that; someone who made a mistake while in despair? I don't believe so. That is about God, not Judas.

Judas fate was bad, Jesus said better if a man was never born.

Judas was not of God, called out to be saved, born of God, the being chosen part was chosen to be the betrayer.
None of the other disciples knew Judas to be what he was, a devil, (liar, murderer, thief, any other bad adjectives you can imagine). Their are plenty around today in churches just like Judas.

God had no intention of saving Judas. Jesus knew exactly how He would die before choosing Judas, and what would happen when Judas was chosen along with the others.

sdowney717 · Sep 7, 2019

Peter quoted from the Psalm here to describe Judas. Judas went to hell , purchased the field where he hung himself, the reward of his iniquity.

Psalm 108:6–8: "Set thou the sinner over him: and may the devil stand at his right hand. When he is judged, may he go out condemned; and may his prayer be turned to sin. May his days be few: and his bishopric let another take."

Acts 1:16–20, St. Peter declares:

Men, brethren, the scripture must needs be fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas ... he indeed hath possessed a field of the reward of iniquity ... the same field was called ... the field of blood. For it is written in the book of Psalms: Let their habitation become desolate, and let there be none to dwell therein. And his bishopric let another take.

Mark 14: 21. In this pericope, Our Lord relates, "The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed. It were better for him, if that man had not been born."

Acts 1:18-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. 19 And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.)

20 “For it is written in the Book of Psalms:

‘Let his dwelling place be desolate,
And let no one live in it’;

and,

‘Let another take his [office.’

miggles · Sep 7, 2019

sdowney717 said:
Peter quoted from the Psalm here to describe Judas. Judas went to hell , purchased the field where he hung himself, the reward of his iniquity.

Psalm 108:6–8: "Set thou the sinner over him: and may the devil stand at his right hand. When he is judged, may he go out condemned; and may his prayer be turned to sin. May his days be few: and his bishopric let another take."

Acts 1:16–20, St. Peter declares:

Men, brethren, the scripture must needs be fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas ... he indeed hath possessed a field of the reward of iniquity ... the same field was called ... the field of blood. For it is written in the book of Psalms: Let their habitation become desolate, and let there be none to dwell therein. And his bishopric let another take.

Mark 14: 21. In this pericope, Our Lord relates, "The Son of man indeed goes, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed. It were better for him, if that man had not been born."

Acts 1:18-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
18 (Now this man purchased a field with the wages of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out. 19 And it became known to all those dwelling in Jerusalem; so that field is called in their own language, Akel Dama, that is, Field of Blood.)

20 “For it is written in the Book of Psalms:

‘Let his dwelling place be desolate,
And let no one live in it’;

and,

‘Let another take his [office.’

sdowney717 said:
Judas fate was bad, Jesus said better if a man was never born.

Judas was not of God, called out to be saved, born of God, the being chosen part was chosen to be the betrayer.
None of the other disciples knew Judas to be what he was, a devil, (liar, murderer, thief, any other bad adjectives you can imagine). Their are plenty around today in churches just like Judas.

God had no intention of saving Judas. Jesus knew exactly how He would die before choosing Judas, and what would happen when Judas was chosen along with the others.

miggles · Sep 7, 2019

peter is one to talk. he denied Jesus 3 times.

sdowney717 · Sep 7, 2019

miggles said:
peter is one to talk. he denied Jesus 3 times.

Sure, it is true Peter was no better. But Jesus prayed for Peter, and Jesus did not pray for Judas.
God has His reasons for what He does.

Matthew 16:22-24 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Luke 22:31-32 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial
31 And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
32 But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren.”

ToBeLoved · Sep 7, 2019

sdowney717 said:
Sure, it is true Peter was no better. But Jesus prayed for Peter, and Jesus did not pray for Judas.
God has His reasons for what He does.

Matthew 16:22-24 New King James Version (NKJV)
22 Then Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, [a]“Far be it from You, Lord; this shall not happen to You!”

23 But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

Luke 22:31-32 New King James Version (NKJV)
Jesus Predicts Peter’s Denial
31 [a]And the Lord said, “Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat. 32 But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren.”

Obviously Jesus knew all being God.

I find it odd that so many people want to go against Jesus own evaluation of who Judas was.

Seems like a contridction. Jesus was perfect and God, but doesn’t know the heart of Judas.

Odd.

Vicky gould · Sep 7, 2019

for those interested Arthur W. pink has one of the best studies on anti-Christ bar none. He can be found on CCEL, Christian Book Dist, the Banner of Truth He was one of the most influentiall preachers and commentators producing around 40 commentaries

PROPHECYKID · Sep 7, 2019

Vicky gould said:
Could it be that Judas was anti-Christ? The Lord said Judas is "the Son of Perdition, not a son of perdition. Anti-Christ has a head wound which Judas also has. could this be the head wound he supposedly recovers from in a counterfeit of the Resurrection? Also I wonder about the number 666 it is the number of man. Anti-Christ is a triune being and it appears that each of them will be a man, 6 Satan in the form of a man, son of Satan anti-Chtist in the form of a man and the false prophet also in the form of a man, 666. We are shown angels coming as men a number of times in Scripture, Angels, even fallen angels are made in the Image of the Lord just as men also are in His Image, the Image of the Lord Jesus.

if judas was anti-Christ was given the Sop at the PASSOVER? The Lord's wats truly are not our ways He is pure Love while we vacillate between some and none for the most part concerning our enemies and those we don't like. What a God!!!

I just want to point out based on the title of your thread that Judas was not picked. God who knows the end from the beginning knew what Judas would CHOOSE to do. So Judas was prophecied because of God's foreknowledge. Judas' decision was not made for him, he made it, but God knew he would make it.

sdowney717 · Sep 7, 2019

Christ prays for the people of God, those God has given to Him to be saved.
Christ does not pray for the world. Jesus knows those whom the Father has given Him.
Jesus does not know those of the world, who will never be saved. He tells them at the judgement, depart from me into the fire prepared for the devil and his angles, I never knew you.

Even Paul only labors for the elect that they may be saved.

2 Timothy 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

The reprobate, those doomed to destruction are never saved and Christ will never intercede with the Father God for them..

John 17
6 “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word.
7 Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You.
8 For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me.

9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours. 10 And all Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine, and I am glorified in them.
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.

ToBeLoved · Sep 7, 2019

PROPHECYKID said:
I just want to point out based on the title of your thread that Judas was not picked. God who knows the end from the beginning knew what Judas would CHOOSE to do. So Judas was prophecied because of God's foreknowledge. Judas' decision was not made for him, he made it, but God knew he would make it.

Yup. Good point.

The word “picked” was probably not the best word.

PROPHECYKID · Sep 7, 2019

ToBeLoved said:
Yup. Good point.

The word “picked” was probably not the best word.

Right. Now concerning what you actually said lets talk about Judas for a bit. I do not believe Judas is the actual antichrist that the bible speaks about. The apostle John said that the spirit of the Antichrist is already in the world and this was after Judas had long passed. However, Judas embodied the spirit or the idea of the Antichrist. Judas was among the people of God and presented himself as one of God's but actually betrayed God from the inside. This is how the Antichrist operates. Jesus continually warns against deception and deception is going to be the devil's most powerful tactic in the last days. How deceptive would it be for the Antichrist to be an obvious opponent of Jesus Christ and his church? For instance some say it is Islam. Why would that be deceptive? It has to be a system that has a cloak of Christianity and is actually opposing christ and leading others to actually follow the devil while making them think they are following God..

roman2819 · Sep 7, 2019

PROPHECYKID said:
I just want to point out based on the title of your thread that Judas was not picked. God who knows the end from the beginning knew what Judas would CHOOSE to do. So Judas was prophecied because of God's foreknowledge. Judas' decision was not made for him, he made it, but God knew he would make it.

Yes, @PROPHECYKID, i agree that the Scripture prophecized what Judas would choose to do on his own will.

Judas would have betrayed the Lord even if he was not one of the 12 disciples. He would have spied on Jesus and reported to the authorities even if he did not know Jesus personally.

When the religious establishment plotted to kill Jesus, they offered a reward. Several people were tempted but they were afraid of the consequence for betraying a teacher and miracle healer, whom thousands followed. Judas would be the one who decided to go ahead to betray.

Anyone who wanted to betray the Lord could have followed Jesus and see where He was. A large crowd greeted the Lord when He arrived at Jerusalem so it was easy to know that He and disciples were in the proximity. The opportuned time to arrest Him would be when the crowd was not around, otherwise an arrest in broad daylight would cause a riot. The betrayer could have keep an eye on where He was. Without Judas, someone else would have done it. But it was Judas who had planned to do so, and would go ahead.

So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew? First reason is unconditional love, and second is damage control. If Judas was not with the twelve, he might have carried out his wilful act not according to God's timing. It is easier to manage Judas when he was around, instead of letting him be out there doing whatever he wanted at any time he chose.

Although Scriptures say Judas' deed fulfilled the Scripture, it doesn't mean God caused him to. The Bible is stating what Judas did, on his own free will.

Strong in Him · Sep 7, 2019

sdowney717 said:
Judas fate was bad, Jesus said better if a man was never born.

It might well have been better for Judas if he hadn't been born.
He was once one of the chosen; saw amazing things, performed miracles, touched God himself, if he had believed it. Yet he died alone, in despair and with no hope.

sdowney717 said:
Judas was not of God, called out to be saved, born of God, the being chosen part was chosen to be the betrayer.

Judas was chosen by Jesus - God himself - to be one of his 12 disciples. He sent Judas out, with the others, to preach the Gospel, heal the sick and drive out demons.
Choosing Judas to be the betrayer makes no sense - God chose Jesus, from the beginning of the world, to die for us and reconcile mankind to God, 1 Peter 1:19-20, John 1:29, Romans 5:11. As this was God's plan of redemption, it would have happened whether Judas had betrayed Jesus or not. From about halfway through his ministry, Jesus began predicting his death. It was going to happen, and he knew it. He didn't need Judas to make it happen; they Pharisees were trying to kill Jesus almost as soon as they met him.
Apart from that, if Judas had been chosen by God to be Jesus' betrayer, then he did God's will - he did what he had been chosen to do.

sdowney717 said:
God had no intention of saving Judas.

I'm glad you are so certain about whom the Lord will save.
We won't know til we get to heaven, but I would rather meet God and find out than I was wrong to hope for the best for Judas, than meet God and have him say to me "why did you tell people that I am less merciful than I am?"

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