Flat Earth Flight Planning

JacksBratt said:

however I have also seen people post tracking of planes that do things that are not logical on a globe.

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Such as?

JacksBratt said:

There are also ship logs that show confusion of the crew and their navigation that, due to globe calculations, put them in the wrong place... but would make sense on a FE.

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Such as?

JacksBratt said:

There are also ship logs that show confusion of the crew and their navigation that, due to globe calculations, put them in the wrong place... but would make sense on a FE.

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Would you like to share with the class?

Snoder said:

And there is nothing written about the actual judgment.

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This is not the Nuremburg Trials. They don't do reported judgements down there. You really are discrediting yourself by persistently denying the veracity of prima facie authentic documents filed in a lower court, apparently 'in order' bearing stamps and signatures of court officials. The onus is on you to show fraud, you're making serious allegations here. Mr Garcia would be looking at a custodial sentence for that kind of misconduct.

Snoder said:

It supports the belief that there is a vast pointless conspiracy that involves tens of millions of people, who never speak out against it.

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Caution 'False premise', strawman at work. The conspiracy only involves a few people, it's largely a 'set and forget' job.

Tell me, what does this scripture mean to you; 'the devil deceiveth the whole world'..?

Snoder said:

The world is connected and motivated, by air travel, trade, and communication. Who is responsible for the greatest conspiracy in humanity?

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Christians are supposed to be vigilant and not ignorant of the devil's schemes. Seems pride has you by the throat like a mortgage.

'We speak of earthly things and ye do not believe, how then will ye believe if we speak of heavenly things?'

Shrewd Manager said:

This is not the Nuremburg Trials. They don't do reported judgements down there.

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You aren't making any sense. Whether or not a county has published the court documents has nothing to do with the person making the claims having not provided them.

You really are discrediting yourself by persistently denying the veracity of prima facie authentic documents filed in a lower court, apparently 'in order' bearing stamps and signatures of court officials. The onus is on you to show fraud, you're making serious allegations here. Mr Garcia would be looking at a custodial sentence for that kind of misconduct.

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Persistently denying the veracity of prima facie authentic documents huh?
Mr Garcia would be looking at a custodial sentence for that kind of misconduct?

Caution 'False premise', strawman at work. The conspiracy only involves a few people, it's largely a 'set and forget' job.

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That's not a false premise. It's also not a strawman, as that would require misrepresenting a statement made by someone else for the purpose of arguing against it. Maintaining a global conspiracy for centuries does not involve a "few people." There is a global trade conspiracy that navigates global shipping according to a false model. There is a global air conspiracy that navigates people by air everyday according to a false model. There is a satellite conspiracy where people get TV by magic through satellites that get disrupted during storms. Not to mention the many conspiracy where governments put GPS satellites into space and they magically work. There is an astronomy conspiracy where scientists haven't been able to figured out that world is really flat. There was a Sputnik conspiracy where Americans listened in as it pinged. There was a space race conspiracy where they did nothing and constantly televised it. All images and videos of space are part of a conspiracy. All this is carried about by a few people? A few people that won't stop google from showing their videos?

Tell me, what does this scripture mean to you; 'the devil deceiveth the whole world'..?

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That there is a devil, Satan, a fallen angel who is absolutely opposed to God. He was created by God and being an angel, he is not limited intellectually as we humans are. He is not proud, like people are, because they feel weak. His very existence binds him to God and yet he chooses to oppose God, which he knows is truth.
The human mind cannot begin to comprehend Satan. He's not mentally deranged or traumatized as people we think of evil are. He saw truth, about himself, and all of existence, and given the freedom to reject it, choose to reject it.

Christians are supposed to be vigilant and not ignorant of the devil's schemes. Seems pride has you by the throat like a mortgage.

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In military tactics, you have the enemy looking where you are not. The devil does not have a massive global conspiracy of convincing the world for hundreds of years they live on a globe.

JacksBratt said:

There are a few maps and concepts, out there, that depict what is the proposed FE state. These are easily found on different sites on Google.

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The majority of flat Earth maps use Azimuthal Equidistant Projection centered on the north pole. The problem is that these maps weren't created by those proposing a flat Earth theory. These maps are projections based on a spherical Earth.

Or... the globe is a projection of the FE model onto a ball.

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No, the Azimuthal Equidistant Projection centered on the north pole distorts the southern hemisphere. It visually distorts anything at a distance from it in comparison to locations at similar distances. This is why the various images I provided correspond to real maps.

This is the issue that people have with the globe vs FE and trying to grasp each of the concepts... It's hard to stop thinking from a globe prospective... You have to stop thinking that the globe is the basis..
The globe model is so ingrained in our mind that we try to make the FE fit it.. when it doesn't and won't.
The two are not compatible or interchangeable.

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What you mean is that the Mercator Map which we grew up with is difficult to understand as equally valid as:



Those are both valid maps.

I cannot go into the detail right now.. but, again, you cannot use the globe to justify the FE...

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You cannot go into detail?

Of course they do.

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Flat earth map as is - Google Search

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Gleason's map is a an Azimuthal Equidistant Projection.

Snoder said:

Persistently denying the veracity of prima facie authentic documents huh?
Mr Garcia would be looking at a custodial sentence for that kind of misconduct?

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It's called forgery of court documents. You may be surprised to learn the police and courts take a dim view of the practice.

Snoder said:

That there is a devil, Satan, a fallen angel who is absolutely opposed to God. He was created by God and being an angel, he is not limited intellectually as we humans are. He is not proud, like people are, because they feel weak. His very existence binds him to God and yet he chooses to oppose God, which he knows is truth.
The human mind cannot begin to comprehend Satan. He's not mentally deranged or traumatized as people we think of evil are. He saw truth, about himself, and all of existence, and given the freedom to reject it, choose to reject it.

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Exegesis FAIL. Let me assist. It means you're included.

Snoder said:

In military tactics, you have the enemy looking where you are not. The devil does not have a massive global conspiracy of convincing the world for hundreds of years they live on a globe.

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I'll pray for you Snoder.

Shrewd Manager said:

It's called forgery of court documents. You may be surprised to learn the police and courts take a dim view of the practice.

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Forging documents presented at a trial is an issue. However, no one is monitoring obscure court documents about flat earth theories posted online. It would only come to the attention of a county court if asked to verify the documents.

Exegesis FAIL. Let me assist. It means you're included.

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That wasn't exegesis.

I'll pray for you Snoder.

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Prayers are much appreciated.

Snoder said:

Forging documents presented at a trial is an issue. However, no one is monitoring obscure court documents about flat earth theories posted online. It would only come to the attention of a county court if asked to verify the documents.

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Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Forge some court docs and post them anywhere. Find out what happens.

Snoder said:

That wasn't exegesis.

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Right, that wasn't anything.

Shrewd Manager said:

Denial is not just a river in Egypt. Forge some court docs and post them anywhere. Find out what happens.

Forging any document is illegal, but the punishment generally depends on the financial gain. A fake check for $10,000 is usually a felony. Posting fake documents online is not going to get any attention unless it is intended to swindle someone or slander them.

Right, that wasn't anything.

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You asked me a question: "Tell me, what does this scripture mean to you; 'the devil deceiveth the whole world'..?"

I replied: "That there is a devil, Satan, a fallen angel who is absolutely opposed to God. He was created by God and being an angel, he is not limited intellectually as we humans are. He is not proud, like people are, because they feel weak. His very existence binds him to God and yet he chooses to oppose God, which he knows is truth.
The human mind cannot begin to comprehend Satan. He's not mentally deranged or traumatized as people we think of evil are. He saw truth, about himself, and all of existence, and given the freedom to reject it, choose to reject it."

You replied: "Exegesis FAIL. Let me assist. It means you're included."

I replied: "That wasn't exegesis."

You replied: "Right, that wasn't anything."

Then you stated: "I'll pray for you Snoder."
And I wrote: Prayers are much appreciated, and they are.

Rick Otto said:

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Flat earth map as is - Google Search



Thanks, JacksBratt... you can easily see how Alaska is the logical medical diversion instead of Hawaii on a Taiwan to LA flight, even on the tiny map.

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That's an Azimuthal Equidistant Projection. It is just as accurate as a standard Mercator map. They use the same coordinates.

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Rick Otto said:

And so they both show how Anchorage is in almost direct path to LA from Taiwan, whereas a divert to Hawaii would be WAY off course. I see your point.

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No, given the location of the plane, Anchorage was closer to Honolulu. I already showed the flight path.



Here is what a straight path looks like on a globe.

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Rick Otto said:

Hey, that was pretty good for half an answer.
How about the "deceiveth the whole world" part?

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That which resists God, who is eternal and in a constant state of action, opposes God in a constant state of action against God by deception.

Snoder said:

No, given the location of the plane, Anchorage was closer to Honolulu. I already showed the flight path.

Here is what a straight path looks like on a globe.

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Rick, based upon the above flight path information, how do you think the choice of Anchorage over Hawaii fits in an FE model?

You’re right that if the earth was flat than Hawaii would make more sense. Doesn’t this deal a blow to the FE conspiracy?