Judas why was he picked?

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Jesus showed us by example that we should put the will of the Father above self.

Judas, walked with Jesus, he heard His voice, he heard the message, but rather than allowing his heart to be changed, the love of money was always his master.

That is why he was picked. It wasnt because he was lesser than any of us, it was that by his will, he chose money over Jesus as do many today believe they hear from the Lord, believe themselves saved, but are content to remain unchanged. Thinking they can serve money and the Lord.

Judas is the one that wants to live in the world, more than the desire to be changed into the likeness of Christ.... a child of God.

I think I asked when this thread began what does this tell us about the Lord, His Heart, His Faithfulness etc. His ways are so far above ours none of us really can appreciate what Paul wrote in Romans 8. How great is the love.
 
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again there are many angels but only one Angel of God Jesus Christ. You are right that men are also acting as in the spirit of anti-Christ but the being coming in the future is going to be the Angel of the Abyss.

I wasn't talking about the Angel of the abyss.
The word angel means "messenger". Humans may be messengers for God just as much as celestial beings may; you don't have to have wings and float about to be an angel.
 
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Hi thanks for writing this but I must disagree. The Lord speaking called Judas ‘the’ son of perdition twice.. the Lord called Judas “t he” Devil.

Judas may have been devilish or become possessed by the devil, but he was not THE devil.
1. The devil was around long before Judas was born, 2. Jesus said that Satan cannot drive out Satan, and Judas was sent out with the other 11 disciples to drive out evil spirits. 3. Judas is dead and has been for centuries; the devil is not dead.

Just as God is Father of The Truth, Jesus Christ Satan is father of anti-Christ.

Yes, he may well be - but there is no evidence that that was Judas Iscariot.

The extent Satan counterfeits the Lord is absolutely astounding and it be so for him to be a delusion that could fool the elect except we have been told these things.

Are you implying that the devil even fooled Jesus - that Jesus chose Judas, having no idea who he was or what he was going to do? That would suggest that the devil had more power then Jesus; that the crucifixion took place because the devil sneaked into Jesus' close group of friends and ruined everything.

Do you the following verse “He was, is not now, and will be again.” Many see the was and will be again think it’s the Lord but it is anti-Christ.

Revelation was written years after Judas died.
If the anti Christ had already come when Revelation was written, there would not be warnings about him in there.
We never met Judas; it's possible we may be fooled by anti Christs in the future.
 
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Judas may have been devilish or become possessed by the devil, but he was not THE devil.
1. The devil was around long before Judas was born, 2. Jesus said that Satan cannot drive out Satan, and Judas was sent out with the other 11 disciples to drive out evil spirits. 3. Judas is dead and has been for centuries; the devil is not dead.

When was Judas born? 2 Jesus was speaking of it being unsound. But what if he was deceiving someone any demon could act like they had been forced. 3 your proof of that? What do you say if someone says the Lord is dead same would hold for a fallen angel who is presently in the Abyss



Yes, he may well be - but there is no evidence that that was Judas Iscariot

The Lord spoke of Judas as “ and one of you is the Devil. Twice he called Judas ‘the son of perdition not applied to any man the Devil only.



Are you implying that the devil even fooled Jesus - that Jesus chose Judas, having no idea who he was or what he was going to do? That would suggest that the devil had more power then Jesus; that the crucifixion took place because the devil sneaked into Jesus' close group of friends and ruined everything.

Not at all the Lord was the only one who knew Judas was the Devil. Three times calling him the devil or the son of perdition. Anti-Christ, the Satan and the false prophet are all created angels who led the rebellion against God. This being known as Satan has distinct things about him. We are told Satan is heaven accusing the brethren before God the Father. Then we’re told anti-Christ is not only the Devil but he is locked in the ABYSS where Satan and His fallen angels await their release for the time of judgment. Lastly we are told the spirit of anti-Christ is at work in the world. Three beings we are told are Satan how to explain it? Satan is created and because he is not God he cannot be omnipresent. In order for Satan to be in these three different places heaven the Abyss, and the air he must be a trinity of evil. If you start looking the ways anti- Christ counterfeits the Christ is astounding an example Scripture tells us of anti-Christ “He was, is not now, and will be again. That teaching in revelation is speaking of the Christ “He was, is, and will be again. Anti-Christ like Christwas in the world. Now anti-Christ is not in the world whereas Christ having ascended into heaven being God He is omnipresent and is in the world still. Then we are told both of Christ and anti-Christ they will be again speaking the Second Coming of Christ but Danita-Christ is returning seven years earlier than the Lord who when He returns will crush satans head fulfilling the promise in Eden. The Lord is God and even the things Satan did we’re allowed by the Lord or He stopped it as when they tried to grab Him and couldn’t do it.

Revelation was written years after Judas died.
If the anti Christ had already come when Revelation was written, there would not be warnings about him in there.
We never met Judas; it's possible we may be fooled by anti Christs in the future.

Absolutely. If Judas was nothing but an ordinary man what part does he have in prophecies both Old and New Testament end times prophecies. He wouldn’tScripture only anti-Christ who will counterfeit the True in such a complete manner it could almost fool the elect, the believers in Christ, but they will not be deceived because Scripture has told us these things.

Please let me know if I missed anything, thanks
 
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I wasn't talking about the Angel of the abyss.
The word angel means "messenger". Humans may be messengers for God just as much as celestial beings may; you don't have to have wings and float about to be an angel.

The angel of the abyss is said to be anti-Christ. Apostle means sent messenger

You bring up good points
 
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Absolutely. If Judas was nothing but an ordinary man what part does he have in prophecies both Old and New Testament

He was an ordinary man.
It was prophesied in the OT that Jesus would be betrayed by someone close to him - he was. Judas didn't betray Jesus to make the prophecy come true; the prophecy was given because God knew that this WOULD happen.
But Jesus came to die and reconcile us to God, John 1:29, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Romans 5:11. If Judas had not betrayed him, Jesus would still have died.

end times prophecies.

I don't know what you mean by that.
Judas was an ordinary man, chosen by Jesus to see, and do, extraordinary things.
But he betrayed Jesus. Whether he did that from frustration, trying to force Jesus' hand, from disappointment, from jealousy or because the devil told him to; who knows. But his betrayal was almost incidental - it didn't cause the crucifixion; that was always God's plan. Jesus would have died and reconciled God and mankind whether Judas had done anything or not.

Scripture only anti-Christ who will counterfeit the True in such a complete manner it could almost fool the elect, the believers in Christ, but they will not be deceived because Scripture has told us these things.

And that can't apply to Judas, because he's dead.
 
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He was an ordinary man.
It was prophesied in the OT that Jesus would be betrayed by someone close to him - he was. Judas didn't betray Jesus to make the prophecy come true; the prophecy was given because God knew that this WOULD happen.
But Jesus came to die and reconcile us to God, John 1:29, 1 Peter 1:19-20, Romans 5:11. If Judas had not betrayed him, Jesus would still have died. Including the lambs for Passover. There was only one road from Bethlehem and Jerusalem

I agree it was Christ who set His face for Jerusalem and His sacrificial Offering. I would say He was born to die. He was born in Bethlehem and down there they had a couple of interesting items. First there was
Migdal Eder which means “Tower of the Flock” the second thing was this was where the lambs for sacrifice were born the lambs for sacrifice would come up that road and Here was King Messiah riding in and the priests went crazy. The Lord without taking away there freewill just insured he would be sacrifice and the Pharisees thought it was there idea


I don't know what you mean by that.
Judas was an ordinary man, chosen by Jesus to see, and do, extraordinary things.
But he betrayed Jesus. Whether he did that from frustration, trying to force Jesus' hand, from disappointment, from jealousy or because the devil told him to; who knows. But his betrayal was almost incidental - it didn't cause the crucifixion; that was always God's plan. Jesus would have died and reconciled God and mankind whether Judas had done anything or not.

There is plenty of reason to believe he is anti-Christ. I mentioned a few here is another one the Lord said Judas, speaking of his death, went to his own place. Where is his own place? We are told he’ll was not created for man but for Satan and his fallen angels this appears to beJudas place. No ordinary man is cast into the lake of fire until after the Great White Throne Judgment. Judas never will stand before the Judge as he will be cast into the lake at least a thousand years before the judgment takes place. He will have been found guilty and is serving his sentence


People claim Christ is not alive we understand He is and Judas being a fallen angel is also alive but he is in the Abyss while Christ ascended to heaven. Because none of us can go into the abyss we can’t tell whether he is alive or not and none of us can prove he is all we have is what is in Scripture but don’t we need the full counsel of what Scripture says?

And that can't apply to Judas, because he's dead.
 
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There is plenty of reason to believe he is anti-Christ.

Your starting point is that Judas IS the antiChrist, and so you are looking for Scriptures which back that up.
Start with Scripture.
Judas was chosen to be one of Jesus' 12 disciples, Mark 3:19
The 12, which includes Judas, saw Jesus' miracles, e.g walking on water, Mark 6:46-52, heard his teachings, Matthew 5:1-2 and were sent out by him to heal and cast out demons, Luke 9:1-6; Jesus gave them authority to do this. When the disciples (all the 12) got back, they reported to Jesus what they had done, Luke 9:10. So there is every reason to say that Judas Iscariot went out and drove out demons.
Yet Jesus taught that Satan cannot drive out Satan, Mark 3:23-26.

I mentioned a few here is another one the Lord said Judas, speaking of his death, went to his own place. Where is his own place?

We are not told.
Point is, Judas DIED.

We are told he’ll was not created for man but for Satan and his fallen angels this appears to beJudas place.

Appears to be - may not be; that's for God to judge, not us.
Judas went to the priests, gave back the money he had received, stated that he had betrayed an innocent man, and then hung himself. That sounds like remorse - do you think Satan ever feels remorse and repents?

No ordinary man is cast into the lake of fire until after the Great White Throne Judgment.

Hell and the lake of fire are 2 different things.

Judas never will stand before the Judge as he will be cast into the lake at least a thousand years before the judgment takes place. He will have been found guilty and is serving his sentence

There is no Scripture for this - only what you have read into Scripture.

Judas being a fallen angel is also alive

Judas was never a fallen angel; he was a man, one of Jesus' disciples.

Because none of us can go into the abyss we can’t tell whether he is alive or not and none of us can prove he is all we have is what is in Scripture but don’t we need the full counsel of what Scripture says?

Yes - and some of the things you have written have no Scriptural backing at all.
Judas died. Where he went to after that, we cannot say.
It may be that God saw him give the money back, that he was sorry and hung himself, and had mercy on him. No one knows what Judas may have thought, or said to God, in his final moments before death.
Judas did see, and know, Jesus and then chose to betray him - but Peter swore that he would rather die than deny Jesus, yet he did deny him to save his life. Neither Peter, nor Judas - nor any of the other disciples - were expecting the resurrection. The only difference was that Peter was afraid after Jesus died, went and hid in a room behind locked doors. Judas despaired that he had betrayed an innocent man; thought that this innocent man was killed because of him, and went and took his own life.
Scripture says that Judas died - all his intestines spilled out of him, to be graphic - Acts of the Apostles 1:18, and everyone in Jerusalem knew about it, Acts of the Apostles 1:19. Matthias was chosen to replace Judas, because Judas had died and they wanted 12 Apostles.
 
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Your starting point is that Judas IS the antiChrist, and so you are looking for Scriptures which back that up.
Start with Scripture.
Judas was chosen to be one of Jesus' 12 disciples, Mark 3:19
The 12, which includes Judas, saw Jesus' miracles, e.g walking on water, Mark 6:46-52, heard his teachings, Matthew 5:1-2 and were sent out by him to heal and cast out demons, Luke 9:1-6; Jesus gave them authority to do this. When the disciples (all the 12) got back, they reported to Jesus what they had done, Luke 9:10. So there is every reason to say that Judas Iscariot went out and drove out demons.
Yet Jesus taught that Satan cannot drive out Satan, Mark 3:23-26.



We are not told.
Point is, Judas DIED.



Appears to be - may not be; that's for God to judge, not us.
Judas went to the priests, gave back the money he had received, stated that he had betrayed an innocent man, and then hung himself. That sounds like remorse - do you think Satan ever feels remorse and repents?



Hell and the lake of fire are 2 different things.



There is no Scripture for this - only what you have read into Scripture.



Judas was never a fallen angel; he was a man, one of Jesus' disciples.



Yes - and some of the things you have written have no Scriptural backing at all.
Judas died. Where he went to after that, we cannot say.
It may be that God saw him give the money back, that he was sorry and hung himself, and had mercy on him. No one knows what Judas may have thought, or said to God, in his final moments before death.
Judas did see, and know, Jesus and then chose to betray him - but Peter swore that he would rather die than deny Jesus, yet he did deny him to save his life. Neither Peter, nor Judas - nor any of the other disciples - were expecting the resurrection. The only difference was that Peter was afraid after Jesus died, went and hid in a room behind locked doors. Judas despaired that he had betrayed an innocent man; thought that this innocent man was killed because of him, and went and took his own life.
Scripture says that Judas died - all his intestines spilled out of him, to be graphic - Acts of the Apostles 1:18, and everyone in Jerusalem knew about it, Acts of the Apostles 1:19. Matthias was chosen to replace Judas, because Judas had died and they wanted 12 Apostles.


Thanks for your input . God bless
 
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Thanks for your input . God bless

You're welcome - but I'm only saying what Scripture says.
Scripture does not say that Judas was a fallen angel, the antiChrist, is in the abyss and still alive in the abyss. Sorry; it's not there.
 
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perfect in his ways from the day he was created. Anti-Christ and the other two who make up this trinity of evil that is Satan are all created beings.

The unholy Trinity is Satan, the Antichrist, and false prophet. I think the false prophet is the one who misleads the believers. What do you think?

As for the many Antichrists, there are supposed to be many, but at the end times only one. It could be that people think there are many Antichrists, i.e. people who many thought to be evil. Judas was one, but I'm not sure if it actually means Hitler, or those we thought evil during their lives. I don't want to mention names for fear of getting off topic ;). Anyway, we do not know for sure who it will be in end times until the time comes. Then the Antchirst will be revealed with the unholy trinity. I think Satan wants to hide who he is and his Antichrist, so we do not know for sure who the many Antichrists were except for Judas.

Is it important to know who the unholy trinity are? I agree that it is, but we will not know until the end times come. Then we will know the signs and their identities will be revealed. As for the past, we may think we know, but we aren't certain. Those thought to be Antichrists may have been, but we won't be sure except for Judas. Does this make sense?
 
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The unholy Trinity is Satan, the Antichrist, and false prophet. I think the false prophet is the one who misleads the believers. What do you think?

Without a doubt. The false prophet we are told just a few things. The false prophet, in my opinion, denies the Christ and directs all the world to worship anti-Christ. As he mimics or counterfeits the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

As for the many Antichrists, there are supposed to be many, but at the end times only one. It could be that people think there are many Antichrists, i.e. people who many thought to be evil. Judas was one, but I'm not sure if it actually means Hitler, or those we thought evil during their lives. I don't want to mention names for fear of getting off topic ;). Anyway, we do not know for sure who it will be in end times until the time comes. Then the Antchirst will be revealed with the unholy trinity. I think Satan wants to hide who he is and his Antichrist, so we do not know for sure who the many Antichrists were except for Judas.

The spirit of anti-Christ is at work in the world as is the Holy Spirit. He has been deceiving men all that time. Many have come and deny the Christ and that is who are the anti-Christs of each generation.those who possess the spirit that denies Christ. Then we are shown the anti-Christ ascending out of the Bottomless Pit, the Abyss. With anti-Christ we are shown the demonic locust ascending with anti-Christ. These locusts are the fallen angels who deserted their rightful place during the days of Noah. The Lord foretold the last days would be as in the days of Noah. Fallen angels walked the face of the earth. In my opinion these fallen angels coming back with anti-Christ are the 200,000,000 man army of the Last Days. Days we are told if the Lord had not cut those days short the Elect would have been destroyed.

Is it important to know who the unholy trinity are? I agree that it is, but we will not know until the end times come. Then we will know the signs and their identities will be revealed. As for the past, we may think we know, but we aren't certain. Those thought to be Antichrists may have been, but we won't be sure except for Judas. Does this make sense?

I agree and disagree. Yes it makes sense. This being who is coming into this world is the great delusion that is such a perfect counterfeit of the Christ he could almost fool the Elect. Should we not find everything Scripture has to say that we not be almost fooled even if it is not the End Times. We may never know the exact identity of any of these beings but we are called to take thee full counsel of Scripture.

These things are personal conclusions that I thought about what if the Lord chose anti-Christ both for the work he needed to do. I thought of the magnificence of His love that he could be to the one the Lord called the Devil and treated him as He calls us to treat our enemies.
 
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Could it be that Judas was anti-Christ? The Lord said Judas is "the Son of Perdition, not a son of perdition. Anti-Christ has a head wound which Judas also has. could this be the head wound he supposedly recovers from in a counterfeit of the Resurrection? Also I wonder about the number 666 it is the number of man. Anti-Christ is a triune being and it appears that each of them will be a man, 6 Satan in the form of a man, son of Satan anti-Chtist in the form of a man and the false prophet also in the form of a man, 666. We are shown angels coming as men a number of times in Scripture, Angels, even fallen angels are made in the Image of the Lord just as men also are in His Image, the Image of the Lord Jesus.

if judas was anti-Christ was given the Sop at the PASSOVER? The Lord's wats truly are not our ways He is pure Love while we vacillate between some and none for the most part concerning our enemies and those we don't like. What a God!!!
I believe from scripture, that Judas was once saved and a sheep sent to the lost sheep then he fell away and was lost and blotted our of the book of life and no more written with the righteous. As scripture teaches in many places.
 
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We are shown angels coming as men a number of times in Scripture, Angels, even fallen angels are made in the Image of the Lord just as men also are in His Image, the Image of the Lord Jesus.

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Can you share verses that describe angels being made in the image of God?

Don’t think I’ve ever read that.
 
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So why did Jesus choose Judas as disciple even though He knew? First reason is unconditional love, and second is damage control. If Judas was not with the twelve, he might have carried out his wilful act not according to God's timing. It is easier to manage Judas when he was around, instead of letting him be out there doing whatever he wanted at any time he chose.
Do you believe that Judas had the devil inside him?

I don’t believe even the devil can thwart prophecy once God has prophesied truth
 
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I believe from scripture, that Judas was once saved and a sheep sent to the lost sheep then he fell away and was lost and blotted our of the book of life and no more written with the righteous. As scripture teaches in many places.
Can you share verses that describe angels being made in the image of God?

Don’t think I’ve ever read that.

Hi, if you look an the two angels on the Mercy Seat they have four faces. One face is that of a Lion symbolic of the King which is the first Gospels focus the Lord as King. Then comes the second face an ox or a servant and mark portrays the Lord as the ultimate servant. The third face is that of a man and Luke portrays the Lord as fully Man. Finally the last face was that of an eagle and John’s Gospel reveals to us He was fully God. We are told how angels come and men seek to worship them mistaking them for the eagle the Lord, we are told how angels come as men. The Ox is seen in the teaching of His angels are servants of fire. The fourth aspect that of King is they are shown as fallen angels in Daniel with their own fallen kingdoms. The Holy Angels never step beyond these boundaries.
 
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I believe from scripture, that Judas was once saved and a sheep sent to the lost sheep then he fell away and was lost and blotted our of the book of life and no more written with the righteous. As scripture teaches in many places.

How do you explain the Lord stating that Judas was ‘the Devil” or twice being called by the Lord as being ‘the son of perdition” not a devil or a son of perdition. Clearly in 2 thess. 2 there is not much left to the imagination. The son of perdition, the man of sin was the one who was lost.

We are told about anti- Christ that He was, now is not and will be again.’
Of the Christ this is recorded in the Revelation, “He was, is, will be again.”
This is anti-Christ and the Christ both having been in the world. Ez. 28 reveals to us that anti-Christ was guess where? In the Garden of Eden. So was the Christ in the Garden. Anti-Christ we are told is not now in the world. Being a created being He is not omnipresent and he is now in the Abyss. While Christ being God is omnipresent and though He is in heaven He is also in all of His creation. Lastly we are told both the anti-Christ and the Christ are coming again.
 
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How do you explain the Lord stating that Judas was ‘the Devil” or twice being called by the Lord as being ‘the son of perdition” not a devil or a son of perdition.

How do you explain the fact that Jesus said Satan cannot cast out Satan?
Indeed, how do you explain any of the other points that I made - all from Scripture?
 
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