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Everyone should fear God enough to keep the commandments, those who keep the commandments have no need to fear.
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That is not true. Many of our ancestors have have had the opportunity to repent and accept the ordinances done for them by proxy. God gave this promise:
(New Testament | John 14:23)
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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How does this say anything about accepting the ordinances done after death by another person? Isn't accepting them after you die pretty much by admitting that you didn't "keep his words" while you were alive? If you had kept them, then you wouldn't need to accept them after you die, right?
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Many of them didn't have that opportunity while they were alive and many of them did not understand, Jesus said:
(New Testament | Luke 23:34)
34 ¶ Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
And we know that many are taught in the spirit world:
(New Testament | 1 Peter 4:6)
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
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Well, except for Romans 1:18-20 says God has been known since the creation of the world and people are without excuse. See also Acts 14:16-17.
18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
16In past generations he allowed all the nations to walk in their own ways. 17Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying your hearts with food and gladness."
According to these passages, your baptisms for the dead are pointless and your "second chance" gospel is a false teaching. Turn away from it!
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It is arrogant and highly irreverent.
Eze 8:2 Then I beheld, and lo a likeness as the appearance of fire: from the appearance of his loins even downward, fire; and from his loins even upward, as the appearance of brightness, as the colour of amber.
Eze 1:26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
Eze 1:27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.
Yah---just go right up and shake His hand!
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I'm sure BY is awed with the power of God, don't worry about that. Do you not expect to have a familiar relationship with God?
Again, you just have it in for BY. If he said he would drop to his knees and worship God in His presence, you would say, what a chicken for being afraid of God. Didn't BY say he was God's prophet, so why would he cower when he met Him. IOW what ever BY says, you will resist and express an opposite view. He could not please you once.
BY was confident and steady, and even maybe a little arrogant at rare times, but never arrogant or highly irreverent with God. Read his history and you will know.
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Oh, please, people should know God is in charge of the earth and the universe, and most do, but do not have a living testimony of these things having been brought up with traditions that do not include a study of the Godhead.
So because of the disadvantages of not being born in Christendom, God has made a solution for all people to hear his gospel and enjoy the ordinances necessary for salvation. Making our baptism for the dead absolutely necessary.
And if you don't like the word "ordinances", you will have to get with Paul and berate him.
1 Corinthians 11:2 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
Just know that a very few people in all the people of the earth since the beginning of the world have even heard the name of Jesus Christ. God has a solution to that problem, or his whole creation would be ruined. Part of that solution is teaching in the spirit world what they need to be taught about Jesus, and doing the ordinances by proxy by the living in temples dedicated to the Lord for this special work. Now everyone can be judged properly.
1 Peter 4:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Stay with it, it will come to you.
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This also applies to the living. So is your point that neither the dead or the living have an excuse? Remember that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
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Have it in for him?---With statements like the sun and moon are inhabited---it's very difficult to take anything he says seriously. JS and BY have a tendency to treat the Lord with less than respect. They are forever trying to bring Him down closer to our level to make it seem easier to believe this hogwash of us becoming a God of our own planet. Why would he cower?---Let's see, what does a real prophet do in the presence of God, or even an angel----
Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.
Gen 17:2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
Gen 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
Num_22:31 Then the LORD opened the eyes of Balaam, and he saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and he bowed down his head, and fell flat on his face.
Jos_5:14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Eze_3:23 Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face.
Eze_43:3 And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.
Eze_44:4 Then brought he me the way of the north gate before the house: and I looked, and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house of the LORD: and I fell upon my face.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
But JS and BY think they can just go up to Him and shake His hand---probably pat Him on the back--"Hay, bro. How ya doing?" But then when you considerr they think they are going to be equal to Him, I guess they think they are entittled.
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I disagree. We obey because God loves us and gave us the faith and ability to love Him.
Titus 3
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
1 John 4
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. 17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.
I'm very grateful for these truths!
Fearing God is not being afraid of Him. It's recognizing that our destiny is in His hands. He has the right to judge us.
John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
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That is not true.
2 Corinthians 6
2(For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
Hebrews 9
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him
shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
They which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Acts 13
48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Ephesians 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved.
7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace 8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, 9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.
Titus 3
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
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No! I hated the Mormon attempt to make God one of us! It was horrible! I never really cared about Brigham Young and I still don't. I'm with mmksparbud, I will fall on my face in awe, reverence, and gratitude.
1 God Was Once a Man As We Are Now
When he was a young man, Lorenzo Snow was promised by the Lord through the Patriarch to the Church that through obedience to the gospel he could become as great as God, “and you cannot wish to be greater”(Eliza R. Snow, Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo Snow, pp. 9-10).
President Lorenzo Snow recorded this experience that occurred when he was still a young elder: “The Spirit of the Lord rested mightily upon me—the eyes of my understanding were opened, and I saw as clear as the sun shone at noon-day, with wonder and astonishment, the pathway of God and man.” Elder Snow expressed this new found understanding in these words: “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.” Later the Prophet Joseph Smith assured him: “Brother Snow, that is true gospel doctrine, and it is a revelation from God to you” (quoted by LeRoi C. Snow, in “Devotion to Divine Inspiration,” Improvement Era, June 1919, pp. 651-56).
Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, Copyright 1984, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, p. 151-152
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1. God is our judge.
2. You aren't God.
3. You don't know what I believe because you can't see my heart.
4. The words in the Bible are the words of God; I believe those words.
5. When did I say, "I only believe some of the Bible?"
Joseph Smith was disrespectful of God's word and tried to rewrite it.
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The verses say all. Are you changing the meaning of all again?
The verses do not say that. You are making it up based on your false gospel and prophets that you follow.
More of your false gospel. It is not consistent with Biblical Scriptures.
Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Your second chance gospel is a false gospel.
Yes, God has a solution and is clearly stated in the Romans 1 and Acts 14 verses already posted. He does not need nor asked for the lds assistance.
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