Our unbelief is about to be exposed.... and replaced!

Gideons300 · Aug 1, 2019

I think we have all missed a key in how to live out the christian life. We certainly are not the only ones. Our condition, found throughout the entire church for almost 1900 years, has infected almost all in church, even the very elect.

Here is our problem. You see, we are new creatures. ARE. Not will be. Not a long four-decade transition from old man into new.... as in 'I am up to 58% new man. I would be up over 60% but had a bad week-end. But hey, I am just a sinner saved by grace. Go grace!'

Let me be clear, you are... I am... we ARE, this very second. NEW.
But here is a truth we are having a hard time accepting, and admitting about ourself. We are not walking as new creatures, and man, we will do anything to not have to walk down that road and face it.

We are not filled with joy, abiding in Him. Soul warfare for loved ones, even our own spouse or children? Almost non-existent. Heavenly mindedness? Running our race as if there is but one prize? Let's keep it real here, lol. Anyway, that is for fanatics, right?

No, guys, His promises of life and peace have been dislodged by earthly-mindedness in thousands of forms. So we have 'compartmentalized' our Christianity, haven't we? It has a "part" of our life. We feel good about where we are in that part. Maybe not a few of those other compartments, LOL, but "God's not finished with me yet." Another six-word cesspool of unbelief.

So what the heck is the break in connection between our actually being new creatures and our walking out that newness in real life? And how do we fix it?

Is it our 'humanity' getting in the way of our abiding in the vine and preventing us from truly being changed from the inside out? You bet it is. Six simple words. Ready?

"After all, I am only human... (long humble sigh...)"

And with those six words, we have fashioned tight-fitting handcuffs for God's hands, where He longs to change us, to woo us to Himself, to give us victory over the world, the flesh and the devil, but..... He cannot.

You see, we have bitten from the apple on this one, guys. The ultimate "Hath God said...." has been hissed out of the mouth of our enemy, and we have bought it hook, line and sinker. He CANNOT fulfill His promises to us. Why? Because of those six words.

God has promised to make us overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil, but those six words have locked the Holy Spirit out. Is it any wonder why Jesus is outside knocking to come in in the last days?

Look, it matters not what the promise is to us, it can be.... no, WILL BE...gutted of its power, stripped of its authority, by our simply repeating those six simple words. Here they are again.

"After all, we are only human."

Six words of pure unbelief. And worse yet, they are neatly tucked under a canopy of false humility. As if we are 'pressing for victory' but it somehow eludes us. C'mon. Real world here again please. LOL.

Unbelief. The sin underlying all of our other sins, and we as His body are about to be cleansed and set free from it. Faith in the one who made the promises to us as a birthright, is about to lead us to abiding in Him.

You see, the six words of man's inherent unbelief is about to be overridden by our new seven-words-of-God catch phrase from the God who CANNOT lie. Ready?

I am a new creature in Christ.

Glory! The church is about to be re-lit. Can you imagine? Wow! Can these bones live? You bet.

blessings,

Gids

Dave G. · Aug 1, 2019

In every parish, small country church, home church, bible study, two gathered together in His name, there is a remnant.

I also know people who believe the main church, Catholic, catholic, Orthodox, denomination, evangelical ran off the rails if not centuries ago, certainly decades but there remains the remnant who are true believers. FWIW.

Sam91 · Aug 1, 2019

Was reading 1 John tonight and it struck me that I don't know many Christians who are living the life John said we would if we loved God. Hardly any, yet my Church alone has about 400 members.

I also noticed that I too have ceased to walk in the Spirit. Pray for me.

I sure hope that our unbelief is going to be exposed and done away with.

Dave G. · Aug 1, 2019

Sam91 said:
Was reading 1 John tonight and it struck me that I don't know many Christians who are living the life John said we would if we loved God. Hardly any, yet my Church alone has about 400 members.

I also noticed that I too have ceased to walk in the Spirit. Pray for me.

I sure hope that our unbelief is going to be exposed and done away with.

The world is so commercialized it's tough to not have that take up some Spirit space ! You almost have to live a hermits life to not get sucked in to some degree, not to mention we still wear the old flesh. It may be dead to the spirit but it's there non the less and can't we get fleshy easy !! Our new bodies won't be competition, finally everything will be in sync.

Phil W · Aug 1, 2019

Gideons300 said:
I think we have all missed a key in how to live out the christian life. We certainly are not the only ones. Our condition, found throughout the entire church for almost 1900 years, has infected almost all in church, even the very elect.

Here is our problem. You see, we are new creatures. ARE. Not will be. Not a long four-decade transition from old man into new.... as in 'I am up to 58% new man. I would be up over 60% but had a bad week-end. But hey, I am just a sinner saved by grace. Go grace!'

Let me be clear, you are... I am... we ARE, this very second. NEW.
But here is a truth we are having a hard time accepting, and admitting about ourself. We are not walking as new creatures, and man, we will do anything to not have to walk down that road and face it.

We are not filled with joy, abiding in Him. Soul warfare for loved ones, even our own spouse or children? Almost non-existent. Heavenly mindedness? Running our race as if there is but one prize? Let's keep it real here, lol. Anyway, that is for fanatics, right?

No, guys, His promises of life and peace have been dislodged by earthly-mindedness in thousands of forms. So we have 'compartmentalized' our Christianity, haven't we? It has a "part" of our life. We feel good about where we are in that part. Maybe not a few of those other compartments, LOL, but "God's not finished with me yet." Another six-word cesspool of unbelief.

So what the heck is the break in connection between our actually being new creatures and our walking out that newness in real life? And how do we fix it?

Is it our 'humanity' getting in the way of our abiding in the vine and preventing us from truly being changed from the inside out? You bet it is. Six simple words. Ready?

"After all, I am only human... (long humble sigh...)"

And with those six words, we have fashioned tight-fitting handcuffs for God's hands, where He longs to change us, to woo us to Himself, to give us victory over the world, the flesh and the devil, but..... He cannot.

You see, we have bitten from the apple on this one, guys. The ultimate "Hath God said...." has been hissed out of the mouth of our enemy, and we have bought it hook, line and sinker. He CANNOT fulfill His promises to us. Why? Because of those six words.

God has promised to make us overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil, but those six words have locked the Holy Spirit out. Is it any wonder why Jesus is outside knocking to come in in the last days?

Look, it matters not what the promise is to us, it can be.... no, WILL BE...gutted of its power, stripped of its authority, by our simply repeating those six simple words. Here they are again.

"After all, we are only human."

Six words of pure unbelief. And worse yet, they are neatly tucked under a canopy of false humility. As if we are 'pressing for victory' but it somehow eludes us. C'mon. Real world here again please. LOL.

Unbelief. The sin underlying all of our other sins, and we as His body are about to be cleansed and set free from it. Faith in the one who made the promises to us as a birthright, is about to lead us to abiding in Him.

You see, the six words of man's inherent unbelief is about to be overridden by our new seven-words-of-God catch phrase from the God who CANNOT lie. Ready?
I am a new creature in Christ.
Glory! The church is about to be re-lit. Can you imagine? Wow! Can these bones live? You bet.
blessings,
Gids

The new life starts with a REAL-permanent "turn from" sin.

Gideons300 · Aug 2, 2019

Dave G. said:
The world is so commercialized it's tough to not have that take up some Spirit space ! You almost have to live a hermits life to not get sucked in to some degree, not to mention we still wear the old flesh. It may be dead to the spirit but it's there non the less and can't we get fleshy easy !! Our new bodies won't be competition, finally everything will be in sync.

You would think God would know that about our frailties and the competition the world offers to our abiding in Him and design a salvation that actually keeps is from falling.

Oh wait, He did! Dave, I know you did it innocently, but your answer is simply unbelief, excuses for why we cannot abide in Him.

He promises us that He will make us overcomers, victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil, does He not?

When do we finally get it? We are limiting the Holy One with our unbelief. But until our hearts cry out like Paul's, trapped in Romans 7, we will not see the answer.

You see, we do not see ourselves as wretched men, hating the sins that we long to be set free from. We are not found crying out to Him to deliver us from US.

Instead, we accept defeat coupled with forgiveness as the best God can do, and rather than crying out to our deliverer for freedom from the world's grip, we decorate our prison cells and make them livable, content that our sins are forgiven, even the ones we haven't committed yet. And worse yet, we have no real burning desire to be freed from them so we can walk as joy-filled living sacrifices, not as "hermits".

It is time we believed our God.

blessings,

Gids

Gideons300 · Aug 2, 2019

Phil W said:
The new life starts with a REAL-permanent "turn from" sin.

So if someone is battling an addiction.... say lust fed by inappropriate content, the answer is 'just say no'? If we are depending upon our resolve to defeat win, we are in for a long and bumpy road to defeat.

Wanting to get free from sin is wonderful, but unless one is told HOW to accomplish it, he is simply thrown onto his own will power, and sadly, defeat WILL follow.

God promises is that He will cause is both to will AND to do of His good pleasure. Boy, we need to cry out for that second part. There really is an answer.

blessings,

Gideon

Dave G. · Aug 2, 2019

If we are free we are free indeed !

Gideons300 · Aug 2, 2019

Dave G. said:
If we are free we are free indeed !

How did Jesus define free indeed? Free from what?

Free from committing sin. We have a choice. We can either wave it off and say it is impossible, or we can admit we desperately need such a walk but do not know how to get it.

One will lead us back into the wilderness, running religious laps, trying to 'be good', ever learning but never able to finally come to the knowledge of the truth. The other is to cry out as a wretched man like Paul did as the man trapped in Romans 7, telling God that we need Him to live this life out through us.

That man, praise God, is about to mount up with wings like an eagle.

blessings,

Gids

sdowney717 · Sep 4, 2019

The old man of the flesh can mask the new man of the Spirit, but underneath the reality is your still the new man, We not to regard anymore anyone according to the flesh if they are born of God.

There is a choice to make, and you can live your life as a lie and follow the old man and fulfilling the lusts thereof , but there is an accounting to be given at the judgement seat of Christ.

Such people who practice living out the old man are not been converted, they show no evidence God has worked the change into their life becoming a new creation, it matters not what they claim to be, it is either they are the good tree bearing good fruit to God, or they are still the bad tree bearing bad fruit.

Many will say to Him on that day, we did all these good things for you, but He says to them He never knew them.
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

The choice is yours, but if your really known by Him and know Him as being one of His sheep, you will grieve yourself and him grievously and experience Godly induced sorrow and repent of your former way of life, God will discipline and chastise you, so that you will not be condemned along with the world.

Ephesians 4
The New Man
17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as [f]the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

If you ever wonder what is the mind, well it is more naturally aligned with the deeds of the body than the spirit, since scripture tells us to renew our minds in the spirit and not the flesh. The spirit of one born of God is though, joined as one spirit with God, and can not be separated from Him.

Phil W · Sep 4, 2019

Gideons300 said:
So if someone is battling an addiction.... say lust fed by inappropriate content, the answer is 'just say no'? If we are depending upon our resolve to defeat win, we are in for a long and bumpy road to defeat.

Amen to that, but I did say "starts with".

Wanting to get free from sin is wonderful, but unless one is told HOW to accomplish it, he is simply thrown onto his own will power, and sadly, defeat WILL follow.

You are "preaching to the choir".
After one actually repents of sin...permanently, they are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins. (Acts 2:38) But also to kill the flesh with the affections and lusts. (Gal 5:24)
Turn from sin, get baptized, and Peter says you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
What greater Ally can a "former" addict have?
This is why I can't "get behind" alch' anon".
They say you are never not an addict anymore.
Permanent bondage is what I call that.
False repentance and without the aid of the Holy Ghost.

God promises is that He will cause us both to will AND to do of His good pleasure. Boy, we need to cry out for that second part. There really is an answer.
blessings,
Gideon

I believe God's promises...like 1 Cor 10:13..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
Keep looking for the escapes!

Phil W · Sep 4, 2019

sdowney717 said:
The old man of the flesh can mask the new man of the Spirit, but underneath the reality is your still the new man, We not to regard anymore anyone according to the flesh if they are born of God.

There is a choice to make, and you can live your life as a lie and follow the old man and fulfilling the lusts thereof , but there is an accounting to be given at the judgement seat of Christ.

Such people who practice living out the old man are not been converted, they show no evidence God has worked the change into their life becoming a new creation, it matters not what they claim to be, it is either they are the good tree bearing good fruit to God, or they are still the bad tree bearing bad fruit.

Many will say to Him on that day, we did all these good things for you, but He says to them He never knew them.
Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

The choice is yours, but if your really known by Him and know Him as being one of His sheep, you will grieve yourself and him grievously and experience Godly induced sorrow and repent of your former way of life, God will discipline and chastise you, so that you will not be condemned along with the world.

Ephesians 4
The New Man
17 This I say, therefore, and testify in the Lord, that you should no longer walk as [f]the rest of the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind, 18 having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart; 19 who, being past feeling, have given themselves over to lewdness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.

20 But you have not so learned Christ, 21 if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught by Him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, 23 and be renewed in the spirit of your mind, 24 and that you put on the new man which was created according to God, in true righteousness and holiness.

If you ever wonder what is the mind, well it is more naturally aligned with the deeds of the body than the spirit, since scripture tells us to renew our minds in the spirit and not the flesh. The spirit of one born of God is though, joined as one spirit with God, and can not be separated from Him.

I agree with everything except the first sentence.
The old man is killed: completely done away with at our baptism into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:3-6)
The results are spelled out in the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin." (v 7)

Gideons300 · Sep 5, 2019

Phil W said:
I agree with everything except the first sentence.
The old man is killed: completely done away with at our baptism into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:3-6)
The results are spelled out in the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin." (v 7)

A couple of thoughts here.

How do we walk in the enjoyment of that death? By faith. He abides in us and us in Him as we continue to appropriate Christ's death as OUR death.

So, can we, if we give satan opportunity to tempt us, end up back in the flesh? Absolutely. We are warned to not rebuild that which He destroyed.

We are promised that it is as we continue in the faith that we are dead and our life is hid with Christ that we become unshakeable, estabished in the truth.

Thus, we walk in the enjoyment of victory over sin.... the world, the flesh and the devil...as we hold up our shield of faith against the threatenings of the enemy.

Our sanctification is not automatic.... at least externally. There indeed is a process with time involved. But our job is to believe it is ours.... right now.... and as believe we receive it, we shall have it.

As we continue in the faith, grounded and settled, and moved not away from the hope of the gospel,we discover that new nature is already in us as it comes more and more to the surface.

Excellent post. blessings,

Gids

sdowney717 · Sep 5, 2019

Phil W said:
I agree with everything except the first sentence.
The old man is killed: completely done away with at our baptism into Christ and into His death. (Rom 6:3-6)
The results are spelled out in the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin." (v 7)

Except it still has an effect on your life, else why would Paul tell us to put off the old man. It does not matter if it is dead then does it. Of course the old man is spiritually dead, it is why the body is dead because of sin, and it will never be redeemed, we get new bodies, we do not get makeovers of the old one. But as long as we are in the body, we have the deeds of the body in opposition to our spiritual life.
22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts

If the old man could not affect us at all, Paul would not write like this.

sdowney717 · Sep 5, 2019

2 Corinthians 5
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ,
that each one may receive the things done in the body,
according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

The good deeds wrought in God are the deeds of the New Man done in Christ.
The bad deeds wrought in our flesh, are the deeds of the old man done in the body.

We will give account to God for the deeds done in the body, both good and bad, so we are to make it our goal to be well pleasing to Him, and not keep doing the deeds of the old man.

Phil W · Sep 5, 2019

Gideons300 said:
A couple of thoughts here.
How do we walk in the enjoyment of that death? By faith. He abides in us and us in Him as we continue to appropriate Christ's death as OUR death.

I'm not sure what you mean by "appropriate".
Wouldn't a better word be "manifest?

So, can we, if we give satan opportunity to tempt us, end up back in the flesh? Absolutely. We are warned to not rebuild that which He destroyed.

Amen, hence exhortations like..."Abstain from all appearance of evil." (1 Thes 5:22)

We are promised that it is as we continue in the faith that we are dead and our life is hid with Christ that we become unshakeable, estabished in the truth.
Thus, we walk in the enjoyment of victory over sin.... the world, the flesh and the devil...as we hold up our shield of faith against the threatenings of the enemy.

Amen.

Our sanctification is not automatic.... at least externally. There indeed is a process with time involved. But our job is to believe it is ours.... right now.... and as believe we receive it, we shall have it.

Ah man...
You were on a roll for a while, what happened?
If out sanctification isn't automatic, and complete, there wasn't any faith.
The application of the blood of Christ is what sanctifies us...right?
That happens when we are "immersed" into Christ and into His death...right?
So either you have faith that you were sanctified, or you don't.
Please don't leave doors open for the fruit of the "partially holy".

As we continue in the faith, grounded and settled, and moved not away from the hope of the gospel, we discover that new nature is already in us as it comes more and more to the surface.
Excellent post. blessings,
Gids

Yes, "in the faith".
Not "kinda in the faith".

Phil W · Sep 5, 2019

sdowney717 said:
Except it still has an effect on your life, else why would Paul tell us to put off the old man. It does not matter if it is dead then does it. Of course the old man is spiritually dead, it is why the body is dead because of sin, and it will never be redeemed, we get new bodies, we do not get makeovers of the old one. But as long as we are in the body, we have the deeds of the body in opposition to our spiritual life.
22 that you put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts

If the old man could not affect us at all, Paul would not write like this.

Not everyone who reads the words Paul wrote are converts.
Some are just researching what it will take to save them.
Those already in Christ, those reborn of Godly seed, already know these things, but Paul's audience is far greater than just the already "dead in Christ".
Thank God for pastors and prophets who deliver these exhortations to the churches on earth.

Phil W · Sep 5, 2019

sdowney717 said:
2 Corinthians 5
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ,
that each one may receive the things done in the body,
according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

The good deeds wrought in God are the deeds of the New Man done in Christ.
The bad deeds wrought in our flesh, are the deeds of the old man done in the body.

Thank God we are freed from sin at our death with Christ. (Rom 6:3-7)
Our reborn body is no longer in service to sin, as we were raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.

We will give account to God for the deeds done in the body, both good and bad, so we are to make it our goal to be well pleasing to Him, and not keep doing the deeds of the old man.

I have already been judged for the bad of my past body. (1 Tim 5:24)
I still have only a judgement for the good I do in this new creature. (2 Cor 5:17)

sdowney717 · Sep 5, 2019

Phil W said:
Thank God we are freed from sin at our death with Christ. (Rom 6:3-7)
Our reborn body is no longer in service to sin, as we were raised with Christ to walk in newness of life.

I have already been judged for the bad of my past body. (1 Tim 5:24)
I still have only a judgement for the good I do in this new creature. (2 Cor 5:17)

If there was no future judgement of bad deeds, then why does Paul mention loss of rewards with only the spirit of a man being saved?
Paul is talking about building on the foundation, which is Christ, so this is moving forward from when you first got saved, that some will lose all rewards except the basic promise of eternal life.

Our past sins done in the body before our conversion dont have a bearing on our eternal life. It is only what we do with what we have been given that gets judged. The salvation is secure, but the rewards are not.

1 Corinthians 3
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.

14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.

15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

sdowney717 · Sep 5, 2019

Another example, a little leaven leavens the whole lump, it spreads through the body, sin if not dealt with in a church. it must be removed, or cut out of the body to keep the whole body undefiled or say protected.

1 Corinthians 5 New King James Version (NKJV)
Immorality Defiles the Church
1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even named among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife! 2 And you are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he who has done this deed might be taken away from among you. 3 For I indeed, as absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged (as though I were present) him who has so done this deed. 4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. 8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

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