Putting events in Revelation in chronological order?

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No, sorry, NO COMING at the 7th trumpet, for it is not Paul's "last trump." Paul did not say "last trump in the bible." His last trump will undoubtedly be the last trump of the series of trumps at the Fast of Trumpets of SOME year.

The 7th trumpet cannot be the last trumpet for Dispensationalists, because it destroys their pretrib removal of the Church.

However, why can they never show us an 8th trumpet?

It is because there is no 8th trumpet in the Bible.
However, you had no problem inventing one to make your doctrine work.

While you are at it, continue to pretend "the time of the judgment of the dead" is not right after the 7th trumpet, in Revelation 11:18.

Is it one of your "parentheses", which are also an invention produced to make your doctrine work?



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ebedmelech said: To try and make Revelation chronological, is to put the book in total disarray. Revelation is more repetitive than chronological. Visions are presented from different views.
Sounds good to me.
I agree it would be easier to show where 2 similar events are showing in Revelation and what I will be attempting to do.
Armageddon/Gog-Magog is one, which some Christians agree with.

Armegeddon and Gog-magog same event Poll?
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2 other events I feel are the same is in Revelation 6:16 [viewed from the land] and Revelation 20:11[viewed from heaven]. Just a view I have been working on......

View from the Land?

Revelation 6:16
And they are saying to the mountains and to the rocks: 'Be falling upon us! and hide us!
from Face of the One-sitting/kaqhmenon <2521> (5740) upon the Throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb-kin

View from heaven?

Revelation 20:11
And I saw a great white throne.
And the One-sitting/kaqhmenon <2521> (5740) on it, from Who's Face fled the Land and the Heaven and Place not was found to-them.
4 verses that are speaking of the same events, 2 written before and 2 written after that symbolic "1000 yr" period.

Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 22:6 uses the same wording "becoming<1096>" as used in Luke 21:7 of the 70ad Olivet Discourse.

"THE TIME IS NIGH AT HAND" AND "COMING IN SWIFTNESS" REVELATION PROPHECY

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon
1096. ginomai a prolongation and middle voice form of a primary verb;
to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being), used with great latitude (literal, figurative, intensive, etc.):--arise, be assembled, be(-come, -fall, -have self), be brought (to pass), (be) come (to pass), continue, be divided, draw, be ended, fall, be finished, follow, be found, be fulfilled,.................................
G1096 γίνομαι (ginomai), occurs 709 times in 636 verses [31 verses in Revelation]


Revelation 1:1
An unveiling/revealing of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him,
which-things is binding to be becoming<1096> In<en<1722> Swiftness<tacei<5034>.

Revelation 22:6
And said to me: "These the Words Faithful and True. And Lord, the GOD of the spirits of the holy Prophets commissions the messenger of Him to show to the bond-servents of Him
which-things is binding to be becoming<1096> In<en<1722> Swiftness<tacei<5034>.


Revelation 1:3

Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written<1125>
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>

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Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matt 24:3 "full end/consummation of the age"


Luke 21
7 They inquire yet of Him saying “Teacher!when then shall these be being?
And what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> these to becoming<1096>?

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?

and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and consummation<4930> of the Age?

Mark 13

3 And of sitting of Him into the Mount of the Olives over against the Temple,
Peter and James and John and Andrew inquired<1905> of Him according to own

4 Tell us! when these shall be?

and what the sign whenever may be being about<3195> all these to be consummated<4931>.
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WRONG! Just read it as written: seals first, then trumpets, then vials.
That doesn't show chronology...it shows sequence. If you read Matthew 24 carefully you can see the seals opening as Jesus speaks.
 
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I disagree: it is VERY possible: just read it as written: it is in perfect order except for a few parenthesis.

However, from chapter 11 onward, there are 5 parallel countdown's to the end, plus John's own narrative - which makes 6 parallel paths. From chapter 4 where the vision begins to chapter 11 is in perfect order. From that point on, each of the 5 parallel paths have a staggered beginning and John has the beginnings in perfect order. In other words, as much as is possible, Revelation is in the very order these things will happen.

In general, the events in a given chapter will happen after the events of a previous chapter and before the events of a later chapter.

Since the seals are sealing a book, and the book cannot be opened until all 7 seals are opened first, it is impossible to move a seal to a later part of the book, or move a trumpet (the trumpets are inside the book) back to a seal. These things are efforts of futility.

Rev. 11:4-13 is a parenthesis. Meaning, the two witnesses are killed just 3.5 days before the end of the week, NOT before the midpoint. They begin their witness just 3.5 days before the midpoint. Most of their testimony therefore is in the last half of the week. The earthquake when the two witnesses are raises is the very same earthquake as seen at the 7th vial that ends the week.

Most of chapter 13 is written as a parenthesis - showing us what the two beasts will be doing later on in the week.

Actually this was one understanding that in a way demonstrated exactly what I was saying. Thanks
 
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Putting Revelations in Chronological order is not possible because it records a number of sequences that each culminate in the Parousia (the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ) and so overlap. There is only one second coming (not two or one and a half). Also like all prophecy some visions are received as out of order. For example Daniel 7 happens after Daniel 9 in temporal history.

It can indeed be done. The key is understanding that the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments must be in Chronological order starting on day 1261, which leaves 1260 days until the second coming. Thus the holy peoples are overcome as Daniel 12 says and there is a Time, times and half (3.5 years) until these wonders end (Second Coming). So one has to understand this to understand the chronology.

1.) Rev. 1 = Jesus seen in all his Glory { Write the things which you have seen}

2.) Rev. 2 and 3 = The Church Age {Write the things which are}

Revellation 4-22 are therefore the {Things which will be hereafter}

3.) Rev. 4 and 5 are the Church in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are opened. The gifts promised to the 7 Churches in Rev. 2 & 3 are received by the 24 elders, a Throne, Crown White Robe/Raiment. The multitude are from all nations, tongues, peoples, and they are called priests of God.

4.) Rev. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15&16 ends the 1260 days of turmoil on earth under the Beast system. The first four seals represent the Anti-Christ being released to go forth conquering over a 42 month period, they are all opened on day 1261 as is the 5th Seal which covers the same 1260 day period, its the testament against Satan/Anti-Christ. The 6th Seal is also opened on day 1261, you see the first 5 Seals are all about what's coming, there is no delay needed between each Seal, they are opened, and it will take 42 months for each to come to pass, thus the 6th Seal is opened immediately afterwards, thus all the first Six Seals are opened almost simultaneously thus the Day of God's Wrath starts at the very beginning of the Seals being opened, that is why Satan "chases the woman" for 1260 days in Rev. 12, he is kicked out of Heaven on day 1261, leaving him 1260 days on earth to vent his rage. Thus he is kicked out at the 6th Seal, {Rev. 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.} Angelic beings are referred to as stars throughout the bible {Job/Revelation}, and here in Revelation many times.

In Rev. chapter 7 God holds up the 7th Seal, because the Seven Trumpets are released by the 7th Seal. But why ? Well He tells us, God tells the Angels to hold up the winds that blow on the four corners of the earth that it HURT NOT the Earth, Sea or Trees {BIG CLUE HERE}. What hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees ? The first four Trumps, the last three Trumps are the 3 Woes, but the first four Trumps burn all the grass, 1/3 of the trees, hurts sea/sea creatures/ships etc. and hurts the earth in general via plagues. So why does God see the need to HOLD UP these Trumpet Judgments? Well He tells us, so the 144,000 can be SEALED !! What does that really mean ? Think now, who is fleeing Judea at about this time ? The Jewish converts who of course have to have already repented or else they wouldn't have heeded Jesus' words to flee Judea when they see the Abomination of Desolation. We know they repent BEFORE the DOTL because Malachi 4:5-6 says so. Thus the 144,000 is a Metaphor for ALL ISRAEL as Isaiah and Paul stated, thus 12 is the number for fullness, and 12 x 12,000 = All Israel. God HOLDS UP the Trumpet Judgments until the 1/3 of the Jews who repented {Zechariah 13:8-9} reach their SAFETY ZONE in the Petra/Bozrah area of Modern day Jordan. THEN and only then will the Judgments start. In Rev. 18 we see God says {"Come out of here my people, lest you recieve of her plagues} it all ties in. The World is Babylon.

In Rev. 8 we see the Trumpet Judgments and are told in the very last verse that the sounding of the last three Trumpets are the THREE WOES. In Rev. 9 we see the first two Woes, the Demons are released from the bottomless pit, thus Rev. 18:2 is completed in full, Babylon has become a habitation of Devils/Demons, and with this here and Satan being cast to earth, the World {Babylon} is indeed a habitation of devils. Apollyon is released, he is the Scarlet Colored Beast of Revelation chapter 17 that WAS......IS NOT {is in the pit}.....YET IS. The 2nd Woe or the 200 Million is an Angelic Army that slays 1/3 of mankind, its called a Plague of God, it has nothing to do with 200 million horses or Chinese. Sorry to burst some peoples bubble on this thinking.

Rev. 10 is an Angel telling John that when the 7th Trumpet Sounds {which is the 3rd Woe remember} TIME will be no more [as we know it, Jesus will take over]. Rev. 15 actually happens in Heaven, but the Seven Angels readying the 7 Vials is IMHO a part of Rev. 16, so I place it here. Rev. 16 is of course the final 7 Vials, the LAST TRUMPET or 7th Trumpet = the 3rd Woe, so the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe. In Rev. 16 we are told that IT IS DONE !! So this ends it all, Jesus defeats the Beast and all his minions {Rev. 16:19} whom God calls BABYLON THE GREAT and we can see in the 6th Vial who God is referring to, the Kings of the East AND [Anti-Christ/E.U. is obvious] but there is another statement that says the three demon frogs gathers "ALL THE KINGS OF ALL THE WHOLE WORLD" to battle against God at Armageddon !! So Babylon is THE WHOLE WORLD, or Satan's Dark Kingdom on Earth. Babylon means confusion, and Satan has confused the Masses that follow him, of course.

That ends the REAL TIME EVENTS under Humans, Rev. 20 Judgment Seat, Rev. 21 and 22 the Everafter and New Jerusalem are real time events, but under Jesus' reign. Amen.

The Parenthetical Chapters. Rev. 11, 12, 13 14, 17, 18 and 19 are parenthetical chapters that happened between day 1261 and Jesus' return all besides Rev. 11 which starts 75 days before day 1261 and thus kinda ends 75 days before the Beast dies. {SEE BELOW}

Rev. 11 = The Two-witnesses chapter. This covers of course a 1260 day period, but since the Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Beast dies and they both have "OFFICES" that last for 1260 days, our ALL KNOWING God gave us, his people, the ANSWER by using simple math here. If BOTH the Beast and Two-witnesses have 1260 day OFFICES and one dies at the 2nd Woe {Two-witnesses} and the other dies at the 7th Vial {Beast} then they indeed have STAGGERED OFFICES, and thus the Two-witnesses must indeed come into their office BEFORE the Beast comes into his, because they die first, so simple math tells us they have to show up before he does in order to fulfill their 1260 day office, and Malachi 4:5-6 tells us that Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the great and dreadful Day of the Lord to turn Israel back unto God !! Amen. It all fits. Rev. 11 thus starts 75 days before the Beast conquers Jerusalem/Mediterranean Sea Region and dies 75 days before the Beast dies. Where do I get my 75 days ? Daniel ch. 12, the 1260 is the holy peoples being conquered a Time, times and half {1260 days} before all these wonders end [at the Second Coming].

Likewise, the 1290 and 1335 are not what people think, or better yet, no one knows, everyone guesses, until now. Daniel asks again in verse 8 "What is the end of these things" and so when Jesus {Man in linen} answers about the 1290 and 1335 it is like the 1260 a SET NUMBER OF DAYS until all these wonders end OR until the Second Coming !! So the 1290 or the AoD happens 30 days BEFORE the Jews are Conquered, thus Jesus' warning now makes sense, he gives them a period of time to Flee Judea when they see this Abomination, before the Beast invades. The AoD is placed in the Temple by the False Prophet/High Priest who like Jason under Antiochus will betray his own people. The IMAGE is placed by the False Prophet {Rev. 13} we know that. So the AoD is a warning to Flee Judea, thus those 1/3 who repented flee, they are they 144,000 which will be more like 2-3 million Jews because a 1/3 of 6-7 million is over 2 million. If its Jews from all around the world the number would be higher of course. The 1335 is THE BLESSING, and thus its the Two-witnesses showing up to BLESS Israel by getting them to turn back unto God. {That chapter is complicated/thus long}

Rev. 12 starts of course with the Seals being opened as Satan is cast down to earth on day 1261. The story about Jesus birth and the Dragon and the Woman is just a CODE to us where we can figure out this chapter. Its Satan/Anti-Christ chasing the woman into the Wilderness where God protects her for 1260 days. We see here that THE REMNANT can't be Jews, thus they have to be the Church who came to Christ AFTER the Rapture. The 1/3 of the Jews in Petra are protected, and the 2/3 who did not repent will perish, so they DON'T have the testimony of Jesus, thus those that are in peril AND have the testimony of Jesus HAVE to be the Gentile Church. {REMNANT CHURCH}.

Rev. 13 starts at the First Seals also, the Beast ARISES out of the Sea, thus the Mortal Wound is healed, there was NO BEAST for nigh 2000 years, Jesus told Peter the gates of hell could not prevail against the Church, thus we delivered the Mortal Wound to the Beast !! This chapter runs for 1260 days no doubt just like Rev. 12.

Rev. 14 is the Harvest Chapter, it covers the full Seven Years. We see three Harvests here. The Wheat {Israel verse 1} remain on earth with the Tares {Wicked on earth verses 18-20} and both are Harvested, the Wheat are gathered into the barn whilst the Tares are bundled {Killed} and put aside to be burned at a later date {1000 years.} In verses 14-16 we have a sorta soliloquy where the Jesus Harvest of the Church interrupts the story. Jesus himself thrusts in the Sickle to Harvest the souls, the Angel thrusts in the Sickle to Harvest the wicked a few verses later. So Rev. 14:14-16 is the telling of the Rapture with Jesus Harvesting us from a "CLOUD". Thus we go meet him in the air.

Rev. 17 starts with the Seals also, thus chapter 6 is a recurring theme here of course. This is The Harlot which = All False Religions of ALL TIME. She is judged at this time, the Kings in league with the Beast Kill her off. The Beast Demands to be worshipped as the ONLY God right from the very start, thus Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. all religions must go away, the False Prophet {2nd Beast} is tasked to make all mankind Worship the Beast thus hes the BEAST over Religion, whereas the Anti-Christ is the BEAST over Governments. Thus the colors represent Piousness and Royalty. The Harlot is judged here, she is no more, there will be only one False Religion left and Jesus/God will judge that at Armageddon of course.

Rev. 18 also starts with the Seals {Rev. 6} it is Babylon {The Whole World} being Judged with the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments. God tells his people {144,000/ALL Israel} to come out of her, He tells us that Babylon {World} is a habitation of devils, then God tells us of the Rich Merchants crying and Lamenting because of the Destruction of Babylon {Whole World}. These plagues of course Destroy the economies of the world, no doubt. The trees and grasses are burned, 1/3 of all sea creature die, 1/3 of all the fresh waters are poisoned, 1/3 of all the ships are destroyed. The Anti-Christ kills 2 billion people and the 200 Million Angelic Army another 1.5 to 2 billion people. The judgment comes in ONE HOUR, well the Kings also serve with the Beast ONE HOUR {42 Months} they also come in ONE DAY {Day of the Lord}. These kings CRY and LAMENT the burning of Babylon {The World} but they all rejoiced when the Harlot was killed off. {Because they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, The Harlot RIDES the Beast.}

Rev. 19 like Rev. 14 covers the Full 7 years. We see the Raptured Church Marrying the Lamb in Rev. 19, then the Church/Bride returning with Christ to Armageddon {Marriage Supper}. Satan is placed in the pit and the Anti-Christ and False Prophet is cast into hellfire.

THE END..............P.S. The people seen in Heaven in Rev. 7 are the Raptured Church from MANY NATIONS. We came out of the 2000 year Church Age TROUBLES/TRIBULATION PERIOD. Jesus stated we would have continual tribulation. Many millions of Christians were murdered over the 2000 year church age period.

Revelation can be put in Chronological order, but it has to be studied, prayed over, restuddied again and again. I have been called to this and it took me over 30 years to put it all together. God gave us a mega riddle of riddles so to speak.
 
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It can indeed be done. The key is understanding that the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments must be in Chronological order starting on day 1261, which leaves 1260 days until the second coming. Thus the holy peoples are overcome as Daniel 12 says and there is a Time, times and half (3.5 years) until these wonders end (Second Coming). So one has to understand this to understand the chronology.

1.) Rev. 1 = Jesus seen in all his Glory { Write the things which you have seen}

2.) Rev. 2 and 3 = The Church Age {Write the things which are}

Revellation 4-22 are therefore the {Things which will be hereafter}

3.) Rev. 4 and 5 are the Church in Heaven BEFORE the Seals are opened. The gifts promised to the 7 Churches in Rev. 2 & 3 are received by the 24 elders, a Throne, Crown White Robe/Raiment. The multitude are from all nations, tongues, peoples, and they are called priests of God.

4.) Rev. 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15&16 ends the 1260 days of turmoil on earth under the Beast system. The first four seals represent the Anti-Christ being released to go forth conquering over a 42 month period, they are all opened on day 1261 as is the 5th Seal which covers the same 1260 day period, its the testament against Satan/Anti-Christ. The 6th Seal is also opened on day 1261, you see the first 5 Seals are all about what's coming, there is no delay needed between each Seal, they are opened, and it will take 42 months for each to come to pass, thus the 6th Seal is opened immediately afterwards, thus all the first Six Seals are opened almost simultaneously thus the Day of God's Wrath starts at the very beginning of the Seals being opened, that is why Satan "chases the woman" for 1260 days in Rev. 12, he is kicked out of Heaven on day 1261, leaving him 1260 days on earth to vent his rage. Thus he is kicked out at the 6th Seal, {Rev. 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.} Angelic beings are referred to as stars throughout the bible {Job/Revelation}, and here in Revelation many times.

In Rev. chapter 7 God holds up the 7th Seal, because the Seven Trumpets are released by the 7th Seal. But why ? Well He tells us, God tells the Angels to hold up the winds that blow on the four corners of the earth that it HURT NOT the Earth, Sea or Trees {BIG CLUE HERE}. What hurts the Earth, Sea and Trees ? The first four Trumps, the last three Trumps are the 3 Woes, but the first four Trumps burn all the grass, 1/3 of the trees, hurts sea/sea creatures/ships etc. and hurts the earth in general via plagues. So why does God see the need to HOLD UP these Trumpet Judgments? Well He tells us, so the 144,000 can be SEALED !! What does that really mean ? Think now, who is fleeing Judea at about this time ? The Jewish converts who of course have to have already repented or else they wouldn't have heeded Jesus' words to flee Judea when they see the Abomination of Desolation. We know they repent BEFORE the DOTL because Malachi 4:5-6 says so. Thus the 144,000 is a Metaphor for ALL ISRAEL as Isaiah and Paul stated, thus 12 is the number for fullness, and 12 x 12,000 = All Israel. God HOLDS UP the Trumpet Judgments until the 1/3 of the Jews who repented {Zechariah 13:8-9} reach their SAFETY ZONE in the Petra/Bozrah area of Modern day Jordan. THEN and only then will the Judgments start. In Rev. 18 we see God says {"Come out of here my people, lest you recieve of her plagues} it all ties in. The World is Babylon.

In Rev. 8 we see the Trumpet Judgments and are told in the very last verse that the sounding of the last three Trumpets are the THREE WOES. In Rev. 9 we see the first two Woes, the Demons are released from the bottomless pit, thus Rev. 18:2 is completed in full, Babylon has become a habitation of Devils/Demons, and with this here and Satan being cast to earth, the World {Babylon} is indeed a habitation of devils. Apollyon is released, he is the Scarlet Colored Beast of Revelation chapter 17 that WAS......IS NOT {is in the pit}.....YET IS. The 2nd Woe or the 200 Million is an Angelic Army that slays 1/3 of mankind, its called a Plague of God, it has nothing to do with 200 million horses or Chinese. Sorry to burst some peoples bubble on this thinking.

Rev. 10 is an Angel telling John that when the 7th Trumpet Sounds {which is the 3rd Woe remember} TIME will be no more [as we know it, Jesus will take over]. Rev. 15 actually happens in Heaven, but the Seven Angels readying the 7 Vials is IMHO a part of Rev. 16, so I place it here. Rev. 16 is of course the final 7 Vials, the LAST TRUMPET or 7th Trumpet = the 3rd Woe, so the 7 Vials are the 3rd Woe. In Rev. 16 we are told that IT IS DONE !! So this ends it all, Jesus defeats the Beast and all his minions {Rev. 16:19} whom God calls BABYLON THE GREAT and we can see in the 6th Vial who God is referring to, the Kings of the East AND [Anti-Christ/E.U. is obvious] but there is another statement that says the three demon frogs gathers "ALL THE KINGS OF ALL THE WHOLE WORLD" to battle against God at Armageddon !! So Babylon is THE WHOLE WORLD, or Satan's Dark Kingdom on Earth. Babylon means confusion, and Satan has confused the Masses that follow him, of course.

That ends the REAL TIME EVENTS under Humans, Rev. 20 Judgment Seat, Rev. 21 and 22 the Everafter and New Jerusalem are real time events, but under Jesus' reign. Amen.

The Parenthetical Chapters. Rev. 11, 12, 13 14, 17, 18 and 19 are parenthetical chapters that happened between day 1261 and Jesus' return all besides Rev. 11 which starts 75 days before day 1261 and thus kinda ends 75 days before the Beast dies. {SEE BELOW}

Rev. 11 = The Two-witnesses chapter. This covers of course a 1260 day period, but since the Two-witnesses die BEFORE the Beast dies and they both have "OFFICES" that last for 1260 days, our ALL KNOWING God gave us, his people, the ANSWER by using simple math here. If BOTH the Beast and Two-witnesses have 1260 day OFFICES and one dies at the 2nd Woe {Two-witnesses} and the other dies at the 7th Vial {Beast} then they indeed have STAGGERED OFFICES, and thus the Two-witnesses must indeed come into their office BEFORE the Beast comes into his, because they die first, so simple math tells us they have to show up before he does in order to fulfill their 1260 day office, and Malachi 4:5-6 tells us that Elijah will be sent back BEFORE the great and dreadful Day of the Lord to turn Israel back unto God !! Amen. It all fits. Rev. 11 thus starts 75 days before the Beast conquers Jerusalem/Mediterranean Sea Region and dies 75 days before the Beast dies. Where do I get my 75 days ? Daniel ch. 12, the 1260 is the holy peoples being conquered a Time, times and half {1260 days} before all these wonders end [at the Second Coming].

Likewise, the 1290 and 1335 are not what people think, or better yet, bo one knows, everyone guesses, until now. Daniel asks again in verse 8 "What is the end of these things" and so when Jesus answers about the 1290 and 1335 it is like the 1260 a SET NUMBER OF DAYS until all these wonders end OR until the Second Coming !! So the 1290 or the AoD happens 30 days BEFORE the Jews are Conquered, thus Jdesus warning now makes sense, he gives them a period of time to Flee Judea when they see this Abomination, before the Beast invades. The AoD is placed in the Temple by the False Prophet/High Priest who like Jason under Antiochus will betray his own people. The IMAGE is placed by the False Prophet {Rev. 13} we know that. So the AoD is a warning to Flee Judea, thus those 1/3 who repented flee, they are they 144,000 which will be more like 2-3 million Jews because a 1/3 of 6-7 millionis over 2 million. If its Jews from all around the world the number would be higher of course. The 1335 is THE BLESSING, and thus its the Two-witnesses showing up to BLESS Israel by getting them to turn back unto God. {That chapter is complicated/thus long}

Rev. 12 starts of course with the Seals being opened as Satan is cast down to earth on day 1261. The story about Jesus birth and the Dragon and the Woman is just a CODE to us where we can figure out this chapter. Its Satan/Anti-Christ chasing the woman into the Wilderness where God protects her for 1260 days. We see here that THE REMNANT can't be Jews, thus they have to be the Church who came to Christ AFTER the Rapture. The 1/3 of the Jews in Petra are protected, and the 2/3 who did not repent will perish, so they DON'T have the testimony of Jesus, thus those that are in peril AND have the testimony of Jesus HAVE to be the Gentile Church. {REMNANT CHURCH}.

Rev. 13 starts at the First Seals also, the Beast ARISES out of the Sea, thus the Mortal Wound is healed, there was NO BEAST for nigh 2000 years, Jesus told Peter the gates of hell could not prevail against the Church, thus we delivered the Mortal Wound to the Beast !! This chapter runs for 1260 days no doubt just like Rev. 12.

Rev. 14 is the Harvest Chapter, it covers the full Seven Years. We see three Harvests here. The Wheat {Israel verse 1} remain on earth with the Tares {Wicked on earth verses 18-20} and both are Harvested, the Wheat are gathered into the barn whilst the Tares are bundled {Killed} and put aside to be burned at a later date {1000 years.} In verses 14-16 we have a sorta soliloquy where the Jesus Harvest of the Church interrupts the story. Jesus himself thrusts in the Sickle to Harvest the souls, the Angel thrusts in the Sickle to Harvest the wicked a few verses later. So Rev. 14:14-16 is the telling of the Rapture with Jesus Harvesting us from a "CLOUD". Thus we go meet him in the air.

Rev. 17 starts with the Seals also, thus chapter 6 is a recurring theme here of course. This is The Harlot which = All False Religions of ALL TIME. She is judged at this time, the Kings in league with the Beast Kill her off. The Beast Demands to be worshipped as the ONLY God right from the very start, thus Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism etc. all religions must go away, the False Prophet {2nd Beast} is tasked to make all mankind Worship the Beast thus hes the BEAST over Religion, whereas the Anti-Christ is the BEAST over Governments. Thus the colors represent Piousness and Royalty. The Harlot is judged here, she is no more, there will be only one False Religion left and Jesus/God will judge that at Armageddon of course.

Rev. 18 also starts with the Seals {Rev. 6} it is Babylon {The Whole World} being Judged with the Seal, Trumpet and Vial Judgments. God tells his people {144,000/ALL Israel} to come out of her, He tells us that Babylon {World} is a habitation of devils, then God tells us of the Rich Merchants crying and Lamenting because of the Destruction of Babylon {Whole World}. These plagues of course Destroy the economies of the world, no doubt. The trees and grasses are burned, 1/3 of all sea creature die, 1/3 of all the fresh waters are poisoned, 1/3 of all the ships are destroyed. The Anti-Christ kills 2 billion people and the 200 Million Angelic another 1.5 to 2 billion people. The judgment comes in ONE HOUR, well the Kings also serve with the Beast ONE HOUR {42 Months} they come in ONE DAY {Day of the Lord}. These kings CRY and LAMENT the burning of Babylon {The World} but they all rejoiced when the Harlot was killed off. {Because they are TWO DIFFERENT ENTITIES, The Harlot RIDES the Beast. }

Rev. 19 like Rev. 14 covers the Full 7 years. We see the Raptured Church Marrying the Lamb in Rev. 19, then the Church/Bride returning with Christ to Armageddon {Marriage Supper}. Satan is placed in the pit and the Anti-Christ and False Prophet is cast into hellfire.

THE END..............P.S. The people seen in Heaven in Rev. 7 are the Raptured Church from MANY NATIONS. We came out of the 2000 year Church Age TROUBLES/TRIBULATION PERIOD. Jesus stated we would have continual tribulation. Many millions of Christians were murdered over the 2000 year church age period.

Revelation can be put in Chronological order, but it has to be studied, prayed over, restuddied again and again. I have been called to this and it took me over 30 years to put it all together. God gave us a mega riddle of riddles so to speak.

Indeed sections can be put in chronological order within those sections but "the book of Revelations" cannot because of the overlaps of certain events each culminating at the Parousia (siimply put, there is only one Parousia).

Plus your numerological analysis is at odds with those of other, alternate theologies, each of which believes their own to be correct (for example see Millennium: Four Views). Each group makes good points and all base their opinions on Scripture alone.

So the orthodox, historical, futurist, preterist, etc., all have unique spins and then there are the pre-, mid-, and post-tribists who all see these a bit differently as well. I believe the OP was asking about the book as a whole not individual sections.
 
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Indeed sections can be put in chronological order within those sections but "the book of Revelations" cannot because of the overlaps of certain events each culminating at the Parousia (siimply put, there is only one Parousia).
Plus your numerological analysis is at odds with those of other, alternate theologies, each of which believes their own to be correct (for example see Millennium: Four Views). Each group makes good points and all base their opinions on Scripture alone.
So the orthodox, historical, futurist, preterist, etc., all have unique spins and then there are the pre-, mid-, and post-tribists who all see these a bit differently as well. I believe the OP was asking about the book as a whole not individual sections.
That is what I always thought, along with just 1 Day of the Lord God Almighty.......

Where is the Parousia of Matt 24 showing in Revelation?
Jan 9, 2010

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Where is the Parousia spoken of by Jesus in Matt 24 showing in Revelation? Thank you in advance for your votes and responses.

Matthew 24:3
Of sitting yet of Him upon the Mount of the Olives toward-came to Him the Disciples according to own saying "be telling to us when? shall these-things be and what? the Sign of the Thy ParousiaV <3952> and the together-finish/sun-teleiaV <4930> of the Age
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3952. parousia
a being near, i.e. advent (often, return; specially, of Christ to punish Jerusalem, or finally the wicked); (by implication) physically, aspect:--coming, presence.
3844. para par-ah' a primary preposition; properly, near; i.e. (with genitive case) from beside (literally or figuratively), (with dative case) at (or in) the vicinity of (objectively or subjectively), (with accusative case) to the proximity with (local (especially beyond or opposed to) or causal (on account of)
3776. ousia oo-see'-ah from the feminine of 5607; substance, i.e. property (possessions):--goods, substance.

The different forms of the word and where those are used in other verses in the NT:

parousiaV <3952> Mentioned 6 times.
Matthew 24:3;
Philippians 1:26;
2 Thessalonians 2:1-8;
James 5:7
2 Peter 3:4

Parousia <3952> Mentioned 15 times.
Matthew 24: 27, 37, 39;
1 Corinthians 15:23, 1 Corinthians 16:17;
2 Corinthians 7:6-7, 2 Corinthians 10:10;
Philippians 2:12;
1 Thessalonians 2:19, 1 Thessalonians 3:13, 1 Thessalonians 5:23;
2 Thessalonians 2:9;
James 5:8, 1 John 2:28

parousian <3952> Mentioned 3 Times
1 Thessalonians 4:15;
2 Peter 1:16; 2 Peter 3:12
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Indeed sections can be put in chronological order within those sections but "the book of Revelations" cannot because of the overlaps of certain events each culminating at the Parousia (siimply put, there is only one Parousia).

Plus your numerological analysis is at odds with those of other, alternate theologies, each of which believes their own to be correct (for example see Millennium: Four Views). Each group makes good points and all base their opinions on Scripture alone.

So the orthodox, historical, futurist, preterist, etc., all have unique spins and then there are the pre-, mid-, and post-tribists who all see these a bit differently as well. I believe the OP was asking about the book as a whole not individual sections.

Its still in Chronological order. I showed were all the Parenthetical chapters fit within the other chapters. If I couldn't show how those other chapters fit into the Chronological order I might agree with you. Its pretty basic once one realizes you have to follow the Seal, Trumpet and Vial plagues. Everything else is a Parenthetical Citation until we get to Rev. 20-22. They all start at the Seals save Rev. 14 and 19 who cover the full 7 year period and Rev. 11 where the Two-witnesses show up BEFORE the DOTL.

I don't worry about other men.....God showed my about 4 or 5 years ago why we had so many interpretation of Babylon, the Harlot etc. etc. etc. Its because via Prophecy, we always defer to "MEN'S TRADITIONS" whereas in the Gospels, we simply asked God, what does this mean Lord. So I did the exact same thing with the book of Revelation. IT WORKS !! Not surprisingly. I asked God what things meant, and over time, little by little He showed me.

When I first asked God why there were so many interpretations and why I seemed to be stuck in a rut even though I was called unto prophecy long ago this is what I got....."You know it all already Ron, as does everyone else." {It goes back to my point, MEN'S TRADITIONS. We fill our minds with what men think on Revelation/Prophecy from a young age because its difficult. Until we shed those hindrances we are stuck in the mud. We can't see clearly.}
 
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