Gay 'Conversion Therapy' Ministry Founder... (easy to complete headline)

Kenny'sID said:

So, you expect me to get what from that tired old technicality that in reality means little to nothing but a desperate attempt to defend gay? What makes it a technicality? I'd guess it hardly ever happens so what is the point? Pretty much nothing.

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I wasn't trying to defend "gay" just trying to correct your confusion about the difference between homosexual orientation and homosexual acts. It is exactly the same difference as between heterosexual orientation and heterosexual acts. If you refrain from heterosexual activity you are still heterosexual, right? So if a homosexual refrains from homosexual activity he is likewise still a homosexual. I don't see anything in that which would constitute an attempt to "defend gay."

To make matters worse, How often does the "attraction towards men" end in the sin of lust? If the truth were told, I'd guess enough to make the already a technicality pretty much dead in the water. But if you think this is somehow a worthwhile argument even worth the effort of typing, have at it.

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How often does "attraction towards women" end in the sin of lust?

Kenny'sID said:

You still don't get it, and I'm not acting.

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No, I get it. You believe that homosexual activity is a sin because it says so in the Bible, and that's fine. But your belief is not normative for those who don't care what it says in the Bible.

bekkilyn said:

Considering that heterosexuals of both genders are on this chart for perpetuating a deadly disease, and gay women aren't even on the chart at all, seems to me that the argument is in favor of being a gay woman in order to do the least amount of harm to anyone.

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Who didn't see that coming?

You missed the point. That was in reply to the claim gays don't violate the rates of others, they do, and boy, do they ever. But if you want to drag into this what you have, gays violate others right to no die more than anyone else in this area. much much more. Am I wrong?

bekkilyn said:

Note that not all Christians think the same, or even agree on what constitutes "sin" or especially even agree that one must put aside the rational in order to follow Jesus.

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I don't care, I'm clear on the fact Gay is not only a sin but a terrible one in the eyes of God, and
I challenge, anyone here that considers themselves Christian to step up now and explain how something that is splattered all over the bible as sin, is in realty, not sin at all.

Kenny'sID said:

Who didn't see that coming?

You missed the point. That was in reply to the claim gays don't violate the rates of others, they do, and boy, do they ever. But if you want to drag into this what you have, gays violate others right to no die more than anyone else in this area. much much more. Am I wrong?



I don't care, I'm clear on the fact Gay is not only a sin but a terrible one in the eyes of God, and
I challenge, anyone here that considers themselves Christian to step up now and explain how something that is splattered all over the bible as sin, is in realty, not sin at all.

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Which Christians in this discussion are doing that? I think we are all in agreement, Christians and atheists alike, that the St. Paul condemns homosexual acts as sinful.

Hammster said:

Those who are born again, yes.

Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.
— 2 Corinthians 5:17

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So unless one asserts they are born again, they’re not?

Cool.

Kenny'sID said:

Who didn't see that coming?

You missed the point. That was in reply to the claim gays don't violate the rates of others, they do, and boy, do they ever. But if you want to drag into this what you have, gays violate others right to no die more than anyone else in this area. much much more. Am I wrong?



I don't care, I'm clear on the fact Gay is not only a sin but a terrible one in the eyes of God, and
I challenge, anyone here that considers themselves Christian to step up now and explain how something that is splattered all over the bible as sin, is in realty, not sin at all.

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I’m sure you feel the same about slavery?

JackRT said:

The Bible.
Lev. 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them."

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Ah but you know better not to perpetuate that.

HitchSlap said:

So unless one asserts they are born again, they’re not?

Cool.

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Very cool. But not as pessimistic as you make it.

Romans 8:

15For you did not receive a spirit of slavery that returns you to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!” 16The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. 17And if we are children, then we are heirs: heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ—if indeed we suffer with Him, so that we may also be glorified with Him.

Desk trauma said:

Murder involves the violation of the rights of another, there is no such violation involved in consensual homosexual contact.

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1 Corinthians 6: NASB

15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be!16Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.” 17But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

Speedwell said:

You won't get far with that argument in this crowd. You think murder is wrong because someone is harmed by it. Bible Christians think murder is wrong because God told them so.

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A cursory examination of Romans 1-3 disproves this assertion.

Such hostility. May His Grace and Peace be with you.

Kenny'sID said:

I challenge, anyone here that considers themselves Christian to step up now and explain how something that is splattered all over the bible as sin, is in realty, not sin at all.

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Splattered? Really?

Lynn Lavner wrote --- " The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they seem to need more supervision."

I wrote:

JackRT said: ↑
The Bible.
Lev. 20:13 "If a man lies with a male as a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them."

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redleghunter said:

Ah but you know better not to perpetuate that.

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The Leviticus quote is in two parts. Which part should not be perpetuated and why?

Kenny'sID said:

Show me the demand.

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I already did, I quoted it directly.

It is to me. Oh, I'm sorry, maybe you thought you were on a website other than Christian forums?

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Do you think the idea of "I know" changes on Christian forums?

Is that a demand?

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Yes, I know the truth, and demand others prove me wrong is in fact a demand.

Again, we are Christians, and need not even try to prove a thing to someone with the mentality that we just appeared here out of nowhere, it has long been known, such an effort would be fruitless. On the other hand you are welcome to prove you ideas.

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Its not that you just appeared out of nowhere but that you can't demonstrate any of your claims but expect others to.

So, because of something YOU deem as only probable, something that is very questionable right off the bat, I'm now a hypocrite? lol Jumping the gun doesn't even begin to reveal the very poor reasoning/quick to judge attitude that brought you to that conclusion.

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The demand for evidence to disprove what you have merely asserted is what makes you a hypocrite.

I know you think your claims deserve special treatment here on "christianforums", but sorry no.

JackRT said:

I wrote:



Reply was:



The Leviticus quote is in two parts. Which part should not be perpetuated and why?

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Which part of the punishment carried over to the New Covenant?

Hammster said:

I’m not talking about therapy. I’m talking about the gospel.

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The therapy is an attempt to apply the gospel.

Well do you have some example of the gospel actually doing what you say it does? Because all I can find is that religious folks have had next to no success curing homosexuality with the gospel.

To me, it seems that you just assume your assertions and conclusions are true and work from there.

Not the best analysis IMO.

redleghunter said:

1 Corinthians 6: NASB

15Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take away the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? May it never be!16Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.” 17But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him. 18Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body.19Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

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I am familiar with the biblical rejection of individual liberty and bodily autonomy, thank you.

Hammster said:

I can’t make any sort of reply about people I don’t know.

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Yeah that would be a stretch.

Hammster said:

If you can imagine a better one, then you don’t understand this One.

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Again, you just seem to be assuming your conclusion.

redleghunter said:

Which part of the punishment carried over to the New Covenant?

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Which part of the condemnation carried over to the New Covenant?