Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 26, 2019

mkgal1 said:
BABerean2 said: ↑
What did God give unto Christ, to be shown to His servants?

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

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Exactly "must SHORTLY come to pass".

Parallel Scripture Passage: “In that He says, ‘a new covenant,’ He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away” (Hebrews 8:13, 1st century AD).

I have noticed that those who become Preterists are those that delve into the Greek and Hebrew......
But in my case, I became a Preterist the 1st time I read the Bible thru and saw 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation, and that is when I started on the Greek.
[note my Siggy

"THE TIME IS NIGH AT HAND" AND "COMING IN SWIFTNESS" REVELATION

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and consummation<4930> of the Age?

James 5:8
be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,

Revelation 1:1
An-un-veiling of Jesus Christ, which gives to Him, the GOD, to show to the bond-servants of Him, which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
That the Time is nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22:6
And said to me: "These the Words Faithful and True. And Lord, the GOD of the spirits of the holy Prophets commissions the messenger of Him to show to the bond-servents of Him which-things is binding to be becoming In/en <1722> Swiftness/tacei <5034>.
Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>

mkgal1 · Aug 26, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
I became a Preterist the 1st time I read the Bible thru and saw 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation and that is when I started on the Greek.

That may be an interesting topic of discussion some time ("what opened your eyes to the preterist view?"). I'm only beginning to study Revelation with a first century context - but the Gospels came to life for me with that backdrop (and verses that I had to skip over - because they just didn't make sense out of the first century/Jerusalem context - could then be placed back in to the whole passage and things made sense.....finally).

Erik Nelson · Aug 27, 2019

BABerean2 said:
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71.23456789 lbs. On average would still be dramatically destructive

BABerean2 · Aug 27, 2019

συνείδησις said:
Abraham has yet to inherit the land. GOD will not let that promise go unfilled (a promise backed by a blood covenant).

Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

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LittleLambofJesus · Aug 29, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
I became a Preterist the 1st time I read the Bible thru and saw 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation and that is when I started on the Greek.

mkgal1 said:
That may be an interesting topic of discussion some time ("what opened your eyes to the preterist view?"). I'm only beginning to study Revelation with a first century context - but the Gospels came to life for me with that backdrop (and verses that I had to skip over - because they just didn't make sense out of the first century/Jerusalem context - could then be placed back in to the whole passage and things made sense.....finally).

Hello. Back in 2003 I read thru the NT first and when I saw Jesus' prophecy against Jerusalem and read Revelation and the great City, I immediately saw it as 1st century Jerusalem.
Then I read thru the OT and also saw the prophecies against 1st century Jerusalem/Temple/Priesthood.
I am just happy and blessed Jesus found me and led me to His Words of Life........ :amen:

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mkgal1 · Aug 30, 2019

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Abraham has yet to inherit the land. GOD will not let that promise go unfilled (a promise backed by a blood covenant).

BABerean said:
Heb 11:15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
Heb 11:16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

You can go back in that passage a little further back to get more of a complete picture of the truth:

Hebrews 11:8-12 ~ It was by faith that Abraham obeyed when God called him to leave home and go to another land that God would give him as his inheritance. He went without knowing where he was going.
And even when he reached the land God promised him, he lived there by faith—for he was like a foreigner, living in tents. And so did Isaac and Jacob, who inherited the same promise.
Abraham was confidently looking forward to a city with eternal foundations, a city designed and built by God.
It was by faith that even Sarah was able to have a child, though she was barren and was too old. She believed that God would keep his promise.
And so a whole nation came from this one man who was as good as dead—a nation with so many people that, like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore, there is no way to count them.

Genesis 22:18 ~ And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

God kept His promise to Abraham — His promise to bless all the nations of the earth through his seed by bringing salvation to the Gentiles.

It was Christ and His co-heirs who would be faithful to inherit the land promised to Abraham’s descendants.

The kingdom would only increase in size from the time of Christ’s birth and onward — according to the Scriptures.

Plus, the land promised to Abraham was not limited to the land of Israel: the inheritance was extended to the entire world, the Cosmos — which would naturally include Canaan. And it would come in the exact same way: through faithfulness to God (or God’s faithfulness).

LittleLambofJesus · Aug 30, 2019

mkgal1 said:
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You can go back in that passage a little further back to get more of a complete picture of the truth:
Plus, the land promised to Abraham was not limited to the land of Israel: the inheritance was extended to the entire world, the Cosmos — which would naturally include Canaan. And it would come in the exact same way: through faithfulness to God (or God’s faithfulness).

Amen sister! Preach it! :amen:

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
Also see: Rapture refuted

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Israel's land promise fulfilled in 1350 BC
1. Israel got all the land they were promised!
2. Israel's 1948 nationhood is not the beginning of the fulfillment of the land promise made to Abraham!
3. Abraham's land promise fulfilled by Joshua, Solomon!
4. Christ will never set foot on earth again!
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Titus positioned the battering rams to attack the central northern tower of the Second Wall. The tower crumbled, and a section of the wall adjacent to the tower collapsed. The defenders then retreated inside the First Wall. Josephus was used at this juncture to implore the partisans to surrender, promising honorable treatment at the hands of the Romans. The defenders, in response, threatened death to any of the hundreds of thousands of refugees still inside should they have attempted to surrender.

Remember the Alamo!
Similarity between Jerusalem 70AD and the Alamo in 1836.......

SANTA ANNA: "OUR CANNONBALLS WILL BLOT OUT THE SUN!"
TRAVIS: "THEN WE WILL FIGHT IN THE SHADE"

The Alamo (1960)- The final attack

Erik Nelson · Aug 31, 2019

IIRC, the Virtuous Heavenly Woman (Rev 12), who symbolizes the faithful remnant of Israel, gives birth to the Messiah Child, symbolizing the Christian Church, and is given "eagles' wings" to escape for 3.5 years = 70-73 AD

from the final days of Jerusalem to the fall of Masada and the end of Roman aggression in the region

Ironically, the eagle-standards of the Roman army freed the Jerusalem Christians from the persecutions of zealots who labelled them cowards & traitors for not fighting the pagans physically

Think that the Messiah Child "grows into manhood off-screen" and returns in Rev 19 as the Christian Conqueror figure, who defeats the Beast = pagan Roman empire

Again offer that Constantine was a specific physical manifestation of that Conqueror figure, and understand RCs intuit that Mary was a specific physical manifestation of the Heavenly Woman figure

BobRyan · Aug 31, 2019

Dave L said:
I believe every main eschatology or millennial theory rests on one error. They all teach the Kingdom of God is physical instead of being spiritual. So all try to build a physical kingdom on earth in Christ’s name. This includes Amillennialists, Postmillennialists, and Premillennialists, who look for a physical kingdom of the future that will last 1000 years.

5th largest Christian denomination in the world according to Christianity Today 2015 article: Post-trib Pre-mill literal 2nd coming of Christ to rapture the saints to heaven to be with Him in heaven for the 1000 years and all humans left on earth (the wicked) destroyed by the brightness of His coming.

"The first resurrection" described by John in Rev 20:4-5 being the resurrection of the saints - that we find in 1Thess 4 rapture and resurrection- and Christ takes all the saints to heaven to be with him as He states in Matthew 24.

Does that also fit the categories you list?

Dave L · Aug 31, 2019

BobRyan said:
5th largest Christian denomination in the world according to Christianity Today 2015 article: Post-trib Pre-mill literal 2nd coming of Christ to rapture the saints to heaven to be with Him in heaven for the 1000 years and all humans left on earth (the wicked) destroyed by the brightness of His coming.

"The first resurrection" described by John in Rev 20:4-5 being the resurrection of the saints - that we find in 1Thess 4 rapture and resurrection- and Christ takes all the saints to heaven to be with him as He states in Matthew 24.

Does that also fit the categories you list?

The Millennium was a Pharisee's doctrine Christ refuted throughout the gospels by teaching the spiritual nature of the kingdom, which btw, only the born again can see.

Erik Nelson · Sep 1, 2019

Dave L said:
The Millennium was a Pharisee's doctrine Christ refuted throughout the gospels by teaching the spiritual nature of the kingdom, which btw, only the born again can see.

then why is it in John the Beloved Disciple's Revelation chapter 20 ?

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 1, 2019

Dave L said: ↑
The Millennium was a Pharisee's doctrine Christ refuted throughout the gospels by teaching the spiritual nature of the kingdom, which btw, only the born again can see.

Erik Nelson said:
then why is it in John the Beloved Disciple's Revelation chapter 20 ?

To confuse the Jews and us of course. :idea:

Why is it stuck between the battle of Armegeddon and Gog-Magog when a lot of Christians view those 2 events as the same event? [Could it be possible be that period is somehow referring to a time, times and half a time?]
Revelation is not in order...........

Armegeddon/Gog-Magog same event?
ARMAGEDDON GOG-MAGOG SAME EVENT
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Armegeddon and Gog-magog same event?

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I view them as the same event
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I view them as different events
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Does it really matter?
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Revelation 20:2 question

mkgal1 · Sep 1, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Could it possible be that period is somehow referring to a time, times and half a time?

Hmmn.. I've never thought of it that way. That's possible. Doesn't a thousand elsewhere symbolize a time of completion....great multitudes....?

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection; on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 1, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Could it possible be that period is somehow referring to a time, times and half a time?

mkgal1 said:
Hmmn.. I've never thought of it that way. That's possible. Doesn't a thousand years symbolize a time of completion?

Hello mkgal.
I had this thread below posted on the C S board so it never garnered much attention.
Only 3 members posted on it from Apr 13, 2008 thru Sep 6, 2008
Maybe I can get it moved to the eschatology board?

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Revelation 20:2 question

NILLOC said: ↑
What do you mean by "2 different periods"?

LittleLambofJesus said:
I will give it a shot.

The Bible only speaks of one Time of the End/End of the Age, and I never noticed how much grief those few little verses in Revelation has caused for Christianity so I decided to study the Greek texts on them.

The binding and casting into the abyss "appears" to symbolize, in my humble view, Daniel's time, times, half a time, as Revelation is not in order and a lot of different Visions are in reality the Same ones just in different ways.
Btw, what is your view of it as I certainly could use a little more help on it. Thanks.

Revelation 20:1 And I perceived a messenger descending out of the heaven, having the key of the abyss, and a chain/alusin, great, on the hand of him.

I would say this could symbolize Daniel's "Time", the time of Christ preaching the Gospel?

2 And he seizes the Dragon, the serpent, the ancient, who is a Devil, and [the] Satan/Adversary. And he binds him a thousand years.

This could symbolize Daniel's "Times" after the Cross and Pentecost where Paul, and the Apostles spread the Holy Spirit?

3 And he casts him into the abyss, and he locks and he seals over of him, that no he should still be deceiving the nations until should-be-being-finished the thousand years.

This could symbolize Daniel's "Half a Time", the Final consummation when the OC Jewish Priesthood and Judean people rise up in Rebellion the God sends the Romans against them?

After these, it is binding him to be loosed him a little time.

Nilloc said:
Eh... I believe that the 1000 years in symbolic, whatever it is. I don't think it has to do with some earthly kingdom (premillenialism), but I don't find the Full Preterists idea that it represents the time between 30 A.D.-70 A.D. (which kinda sounds what you're saying) convincing either.

So, my Millenial position is somewhere between those. I don't believe that there is any eschatological (spelling?) view that is totally, 100% correct.
That is very interesting. I'd always taken the time, times, and half a time to mean 3 1/2 years or 42 months. Which I thought was talking about the time period of either the Roman siege of Jerusalem (66-70 A.D), or Nero's persecution of Christians (64-68 A.D).

Nilloc said:
Well, the number 8 is often shown to mean perfection, because its even greater than 7 which is another Biblically significant number and is used like 50 times in Revelation.

I think that 8 is also significant, because God commanded Abraham to circumsise his children on the 8th day after their birth.

I've heard that if you do gematria on Jesus's name in greek, it comes out as 888.
Wow. That's cool.

Chickapee said:
WOW !Little Lamb , this really helped me out alot!!!
thanks bro!
i was wondering about this !

Rev 10:6 And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

this has me wondering if indeed , the time that is at hand , is filling up fast? completed

peace C

Chickapee said:
hI little Lamb ...

thanks these are great I cannot download the scriptures 4 all my puter is way to old and full and tired lol
to get anything any more
sorry about your puter ''crash'' bummer !!!!i saw your other post about it ..
my time is near im sure ....LOL for '' puter death ''

i copied and read what you and NILLOC have replied
and thought of something last night before bed , but forgot , sorry !
i sure do see the connection in Daniel and rev too!

the the binding of satan/adversary , old serpent also a beast rise up of the sea ?Rev 13:1 and one rise up out of the earth Rev 13:11 for the 1000 years only to be cast alive into the fire for good , well i saw this

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone

.Rev 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

i was thinking of how Jesus told them [ disciples[ students ] of the WORD [SWORD]
that they should be rejoicing more so of being ALIVE TO GOD than dead to Him them that dwell in the earth are dead as the sea also are as dead to God maybe ? rising above the ''body of death''

Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

Hbr 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than [that of] Abel.See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more [shall not] we [escape], if we turn away from him that [speaketh] from heaven:

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heavenAnd this [word], Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken,

as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear For our God [is] a consuming fire.

I hope this makes sense , im not to good at writting my thoughts
peace and His love C ...

Notrash said:
I've read recently that the early church began worshipping on the 8th day to symbolize perfection of the new covenant. 7th is the day of rest, but we always hear of it as the perfect number or number of completion.

Dave L · Sep 1, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
then why is it in John the Beloved Disciple's Revelation chapter 20 ?

Jesus taught the Kingdom was present in his time and spiritual. Only the born again can see it. If you make Revelation 20 out to be a future physical kingdom, you're replacing Jesus' present kingdom with what was originally the Pharisee's and later the Jesuit's future kingdom ideas.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 1, 2019

Dave L said:
Jesus taught the Kingdom was present in his time and spiritual. Only the born again can see it. If you make Revelation 20 out to be a future physical kingdom, you replacing Jesus' present kingdom with what was originally the Pharisee's and later the Jesuit's future kingdom ideas.

I agree.
A thread on that:

Revelation 20:4-6 "reign with Christ a 1000yrs"

LittleLambofJesus said:
This is an offshoot from this other thread:

What is the purpose of the thousand-year reign of Christ?

I am attaching a poll thread to this one and if anyone wants me to add more options, please let me know.

Does Christ literally come down to earth and bodily reign on the earth for a 1000yrs?

Revelation 20
1 And I saw a Messenger descending out of the heaven, having the key of the Abyss, and a great chain on the hand of Him.
2 And He seizes the Dragon, the Serpent, the Ancient-one, who is a Devil/Slanderer and the Satan/Adversary, and binds Him a thousands years.
3 And He casts Him into the Abyss, and locks and seals over Him, that no He should be deceiving the Nations, until should be being finished the thousands years.
After these, it is binding Him to be loosed a little time
4 And I saw thrones, and they are seated upon them, and judgment was given to them, and the souls of those having been beheaded/executed<3990> because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and who did not bow before the beast, nor it's image, and did not receive the mark upon the forehead and upon their hand,
and they live and reign with the Christ a thousand years;
5 And the rest of the dead not live until should be being finished<5055> the thousand years. This the first resurrection/standing up<386> .
6 Happy/blessed<3107> and holy the one having part in the first resurrection/standing up, over these the second death not is having authority,
but they shall be priests of the God and of the Christ,
and shall be reigning with Him the thousand years.

HTacianas said:
No. The Church abandoned chiliasm well over one thousand years ago. The Orthodox Church refers to the teaching of the millennium as an error. The Roman Church calls it "an unsafe doctrine to teach".

_Dave_ said:
Throughout the Old Testament the Throne of David is an actual, physical, earthly throne, with promises throughout that it would endure forever.

Then in Luke 1:32 God says He will give that same throne to his Son to reign over the house of Jacob forever.

LittleLambofJesus said:
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones<2362> and they are seated upon them, and judgment was given to them.................
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The Gospels of Mark and John do not have the word for throne/s.

G2362 θρόνος (thronos) occurs 61 times in 50 verses

Verses used outside of Revelation:

Luk 1
32 “He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
52 He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
And exalted the lowly.

Mat 5:34
“But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
Mat 19:28
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory,
you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luk 22:30
“that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom,
and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.”

Mat 23:22
“And he who swears by heaven, swears by the throne of God and by Him who sits on it.
Mat 25:31
“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
Act 2:30
“Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne,[fn]
Act 7:49
‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the LORD,
Or what is the place of My rest?
Col 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:
“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Heb 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Heb 8:1
Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
Heb 12:2
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross,
despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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The exact form of the Greek word G2362 used in Revelation 20:4 is used in 3 other verses of the NT.
I find doing this to be helpful in harmonizing or finding similar phrases used.

Mat 19:28
So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Rev 4:4
Around the throne were twenty-four thrones, and on the thrones I saw twenty-four elders sitting, clothed in white robes; and they had crowns of gold on their heads.

Rev 11:16
And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,

Revelation 20:4
And I saw thrones and they are seated upon them, and judgment was given to them.................

yeshuaslavejeff said:
That's what His Word and His Spirit say, yes.

Currently God the Father's Kingdom is known to Jesus' disciples already. We don't have to wait to be saved from the enemy's kingdom or the power or the world and
to be free from the power of sin and of death. Jesus already overcame the world and the enemy. The enemy just gets to 'rule' the world until Jesus returns, as written all through Scripture, in perfect harmony with all Scripture, with God's Plan, and God's Purpose, and God's Spirit.

Everyone can read it for themselves, usually. It is clear, not a mystery, when

simply read ...... of course,

men do get mixed up a lot, right ?

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Erik Nelson · Sep 2, 2019

Dave L said:
Jesus taught the Kingdom was present in his time and spiritual. Only the born again can see it. If you make Revelation 20 out to be a future physical kingdom, you're replacing Jesus' present kingdom with what was originally the Pharisee's and later the Jesuit's future kingdom ideas.

two different words, two different meanings

kingdom from Christ onwards
millennium was a thousand year long age or epoch of the kingdom, when it was ascendant in society

Biblewriter · Sep 4, 2019

Dave L said:
Jesus taught the Kingdom was present in his time and spiritual. Only the born again can see it. If you make Revelation 20 out to be a future physical kingdom, you're replacing Jesus' present kingdom with what was originally the Pharisee's and later the Jesuit's future kingdom ideas.

Revelation 20 is indeed the only place that explicitly says the future earthly kingdom will last a thousand years. But if it does not mean 1000 years, why does it say this six times over? But this EARTHLY kingdom is the subject of a very large number of explicitly stated prophecies.

Has the time ever come when absolutely all of the house of Israel inhabited the mountains of Israel, along with the hills, the valleys, the rivers, and the cities that have been forsaken, As is explicitly stated in Ezekiel 36?

Has the time ever come when the land of Israel had the boundaries so explicitly defined in Ezekiel 47, and divided among the twelve tribes of Israel, as so explicitly defined in Ezekiel 48?

Have Ephraim and Judah ever been united as a single nation, as so explicitly promised in Isaiah 11?

Has the Lord ever brought the Israelites back from where they were scattered, purging out all the rebels from among them, such that these rebels were brought out of the lands where they were dwelling, but were not allowed to enter the land of Israel, as so explicitly stated in Ezekiel 20?

Has Israel ever launched a successful counter attack against Assyria, after they invaded Israel, as so explicitly stated in Micah 5?

And has there ever been a time when every one recorded among the living in Jerusalem has been holy, as so explicitly stated in Isaiah 4?

The answer to every one of these questions is a distinct NO. But God has explicitly said that every one of these things will happen.

Dave L · Sep 4, 2019

Biblewriter said:
Revelation 20 is indeed the only place that explicitly says the future earthly kingdom will last a thousand years. But if it does not mean 1000 years, why does it say this six times over? But this EARTHLY kingdom is the subject of a very large number of explicitly stated prophecies.

Has the time ever come when absolutely all of the house of Israel inhabited the mountains of Israel, along with the hills, the valleys, the rivers, and the cities that have been forsaken, As is explicitly stated in Ezekiel 36?

Has the time ever come when the land of Israel had the boundaries so explicitly defined in Ezekiel 47, and divided among the twelve tribes of Israel, as so explicitly defined in Ezekiel 48?

Have Ephraim and Judah ever been united as a single nation, as so explicitly promised in Isaiah 11?

Has the Lord ever brought the Israelites back from where they were scattered, purging out all the rebels from among them, such that these rebels were brought out of the lands where they were dwelling, but were not allowed to enter the land of Israel, as so explicitly stated in Ezekiel 20?

Has Israel ever launched a successful counter attack against Assyria, after they invaded Israel, as so explicitly stated in Micah 5?

And has there ever been a time when every one recorded among the living in Jerusalem has been holy, as so explicitly stated in Isaiah 4?

The answer to every one of these questions is a distinct NO. But God has explicitly said that every one of these things will happen.

It is not an earthly kingdom. Jesus says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. So you end up with having only saints in glorified bodies for Satan to deceive and rally against the rest of the saints in glorified bodies when loosed.

Biblewriter · Sep 4, 2019

Dave L said:
It is not an earthly kingdom. Jesus says flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom. So you end up with having only saints in glorified bodies for Satan to deceive and rally against the rest of the saints in glorified bodies when loosed.

This is a flat out denial of about a fourth of the Old Testament.

Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

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Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

His perfect way sets me free. 2 Samuel 22:33

Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git!

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