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My understanding is that Ishmael was born to Hagar and that the 12 rulers refer to the 12 tribes of Israel, correct? But Galatians 4:30 states to "cast out the slave woman" for she (her descendants) will have no part of the covenant promise.

Genesis 17:20

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

Probably reading this very incorrectly but could someone clarify this because the 12 tribes of Judah are certainly part of the Lords descendants whom me blesses correct?
 

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My understanding is that Ishmael was born to Hagar and that the 12 rulers refer to the 12 tribes of Israel, correct? But Galatians 4:30 states to "cast out the slave woman" for she (her descendants) will have no part of the covenant promise.

Genesis 17:20

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

Probably reading this very incorrectly but could someone clarify this because the 12 tribes of Judah are certainly part of the Lords descendants whom me blesses correct?
Ishmael is the father of the Arab nations.
Judah is not the father of 12 tribes. That was Jacob later called Israel. Judah was his 4th son from Leah.
 
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Gen 25:12-16 Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham: (13) And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, (14) And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, (15) Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: (16) These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations.
 
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Probably reading this very incorrectly but could someone clarify this because the 12 tribes of Judah are certainly part of the Lords descendants whom me blesses correct?
The sages tell us that the three fathers of the Jewish nation, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The Resemblance
 
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My understanding is that Ishmael was born to Hagar and that the 12 rulers refer to the 12 tribes of Israel, correct? But Galatians 4:30 states to "cast out the slave woman" for she (her descendants) will have no part of the covenant promise.

Genesis 17:20

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

Probably reading this very incorrectly but could someone clarify this because the 12 tribes of Judah are certainly part of the Lords descendants whom me blesses correct?
Ishmael is a firstborn son of Abraham; he is the father of 12 rulers, the promise made to his father Abraham was also made to him. In fact, Abraham and Sarah had planned on making him an heir; Ishmael was born from Abraham's loins. Sarah did not wish for Isaac and Ishmael to become "co-heirs"; but each firstborn to independently become the father of nations. Ishmael is Isaac's elder brother from another mother (two covenants) but one in the same father Abraham.
 
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My understanding is that Ishmael was born to Hagar and that the 12 rulers refer to the 12 tribes of Israel, correct? But Galatians 4:30 states to "cast out the slave woman" for she (her descendants) will have no part of the covenant promise.

Genesis 17:20

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

Probably reading this very incorrectly but could someone clarify this because the 12 tribes of Judah are certainly part of the Lords descendants whom me blesses correct?
Paul is saying in Galatians 4, that the children of promise by Abraham, as was Isaac born after the Spirit, are the believers in Christ born of the Spirit and circumcised of heart.

The old seed of promise by flesh are now judged as children of Hagar, as was ishmael, who was likewise born and circumcised of flesh from Abraham, but without promise of God.

The seed of promise is now the children of God in Christ Jesus.

The old seed was all cut off at the cross. They can be grafted in again by repenting and believing the gospel, but until then, they are counted for the seed of bondage as Ishmael, not of promise as Isaac.
 
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Ishmael is a firstborn son of Abraham; he is the father of 12 rulers, the promise made to his father Abraham was also made to him. In fact, Abraham and Sarah had planned on making him an heir; Ishmael was born from Abraham's loins. Sarah did not wish for Isaac and Ishmael to become "co-heirs"; but each firstborn to independently become the father of nations. Ishmael is Isaac's elder brother from another mother (two covenants) but one in the same father Abraham.
Abraham's descendants are reckoned through Isaac, not Ishmael (Romans 9:8; Genesis 21:12).
The promises to Abraham's descendants are not to Ishmael.
 
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Ishmael is a firstborn son of Abraham; he is the father of 12 rulers, the promise made to his father Abraham was also made to him. In fact, Abraham and Sarah had planned on making him an heir; Ishmael was born from Abraham's loins.
Here is what I suspect.
Ishmael as well as the sons of Keturah were heirs, but not as firstborn. The two covenants made with Abraham are 2 inheritances. The firstborn are those sons which receive a double portion.
See Esau... No land to Israel, it is given to Esau
De 2:5 Meddle not with them; for I will not give you of their land, no, not so much as a foot breadth; because I have given mount Seir unto Esau for a possession. {no … : Heb. even to the treading of the sole of the foot }
We even see Lot given land that Israel is not to Meddle with.

The covenant made in Genesis 15 concerned a temporal land to Abraham's sons.
Sarah did not wish for Isaac and Ishmael to become "co-heirs"; but each firstborn to independently become the father of nations.
Isaac, is an "only born". He is the only son through which the promises made in the second covenant is established. The covenant of circumcision. This is fulfilled in genesis 22 when God swears his oath, he will not repent, but perform his oath to Abraham.
Ishmael is Isaac's elder brother from another mother (two covenants) but one in the same father Abraham.
Read the two covenants. Genesis 15 Abraham is Told he would die. Then he speaks concerning the 4th generation of his seed. Isaac, Jacob, and the twelve patriarchs are not spoken of here, but the fourth Generation of his seed.
Genesis 17 Is the ROYAL covenant.
Ge 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.
There is so much more, but this is getting long.
Hence the trying of Abraham's faith was his trust in an inheritance and kingdom after he was dead to this world and this life. The eternal kingdom
 
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Ishmael is a firstborn son of Abraham; he is the father of 12 rulers, the promise made to his father Abraham was also made to him. In fact, Abraham and Sarah had planned on making him an heir; Ishmael was born from Abraham's loins. Sarah did not wish for Isaac and Ishmael to become "co-heirs"; but each firstborn to independently become the father of nations. Ishmael is Isaac's elder brother from another mother (two covenants) but one in the same father Abraham.
Ishmael is Isaac's elder brother from another mother (two covenants) but one in the same father Abraham.

What is in the flesh is not the same as what is in the Spirit by promise of God.

Ishmael and Isaac were both from the loins of Abraham, but only Isaac was born after the Spirit by promise.

Gal 4 is teaching only them born of Christ may call Abraham their father by the faith of Abraham.

All others born of flesh are cast out with Hagar and Ishmael, whether from the loins of Abraham or from that of Adam.
 
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Ishmael is Isaac's elder brother from another mother (two covenants) but one in the same father Abraham.

What is in the flesh is not the same as what is in the Spirit by promise of God.

Ishmael and Isaac were both from the loins of Abraham, but only Isaac was born after the Spirit by promise.

Gal 4 is teaching only them born of Christ may call Abraham their father by the faith of Abraham.

All others born of flesh are cast out with Hagar and Ishmael, whether from the loins of Abraham or from that of Adam.

You can read of the differences in the law. The woman Hagar begets princes. And Sarah begets kings.
Ge 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes,<05387> shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
05387 נשׂיא nasiy’
AV-prince 96, captain 12, chief 10, ruler 6, vapours 3, governor 1, chief + 05387 1, clouds 1, part 1, prince + 05387 1; 132

1) one lifted up, chief, prince, captain, leader
2) rising mist, vapour

The rulers of the Children of Israel through Moses.
Ex 16:22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers <05387> of the congregation came and told Moses.
Ex 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler <05387> of thy people. {gods: or, judges }
Ex 34:31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers <05387> of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.

But the woman Sarah kings
Ge 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. {she … : Heb. she shall become nations }

Mt 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
 
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Here at the end of time when God had brought judgment upon all the churches, outside of the churches during the Latter Rain God saved a great multitude from all over the world including those of Ishmael's line.

Isaiah 60:
[1] Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of Jehovah is risen upon thee.
[2] For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness (the half hour of silence) the people (time of the end and judgment beginning in 1988 A.D., the G.T., this could be speaking of the time when judgment is upon all the unsaved after May 21, 2011): but Jehovah shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee (the Latter Rain).
[3] And the Gentiles (nations) shall come to thy light (Rv 18:1), and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
[4] Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed (given milk, the gospel, Is 49:22-23) at thy side.
[5] Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea (people, Rv 17, Is) shall be converted unto thee, the forces (army) of the Gentiles (nations) shall come unto thee.
[6] The multitude of camels (unclean animal, Gn 24:11-19, the unsaved who drink the water of the gospel) shall cover thee, the dromedaries (Jr 2:23, How canst thou (the fallen churches) say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;) of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba (Ps 72:10-12, [10] The kings of Tarshish (the farthest extents of the earth) and of the isles (the continents) shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. [11] Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him. [12] For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper., 1 Chrn 1:32-33 [32] Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan (Grandsons of Keturah).
[33] And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah (Grandsons of Keturah). All these are the sons of Keturah (these were not of the promise in the line of Isaac).) shall come: they shall bring gold (salvation) and incense (identifies with prayers); and they shall shew forth the praises of Jehovah.
[7] All the flocks of Kedar (comes from the Hebrew word for Black, Dark (the Great Tribulation, the Latter Rain), To Mourn, the time of the G.T. Gn 17:20, the blessing of Ishmael, Gn 25:12-13, And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth (To Bring Forth Fruit); and Kedar (the second son of Ishmael, 1 Chr 1:28-31), and Adbeel, and Mibsam) shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams (the saved) of Nebaioth shall minister (sharing the gospel) unto thee (Mt 25:40, And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.): they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory (2 Chr 5:13-14, [13] It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking Jehovah; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised Jehovah, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud (the commandment of God, the Bible), even the house of Jehovah; [14] So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of Jehovah had filled the house of God.).
 
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You can read of the differences in the law. The woman Hagar begets princes. And Sarah begets kings.
Ge 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes,<05387> shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
05387 נשׂיא nasiy’
AV-prince 96, captain 12, chief 10, ruler 6, vapours 3, governor 1, chief + 05387 1, clouds 1, part 1, prince + 05387 1; 132

1) one lifted up, chief, prince, captain, leader
2) rising mist, vapour

The rulers of the Children of Israel through Moses.
Ex 16:22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers <05387> of the congregation came and told Moses.
Ex 22:28 Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler <05387> of thy people. {gods: or, judges }
Ex 34:31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers <05387> of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.

But the woman Sarah kings
Ge 17:6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
Ge 17:16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. {she … : Heb. she shall become nations }

Mt 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
You can read of the differences in the law.

True, and we can read of the differences between the law of the Spirit of Christ vs the law of sin and death, or the law and commandments of men.

The woman Hagar begets princes. And Sarah begets kings.

True, good observation of Scripture.

And so, those born of the Spirit of Christ, are the children of Abraham by faith, even as was Isaac, and are the promised kings and priests to God.

But those born of another spirit without the faith of Abraham, are counted for the children of Hagar, as was Ishmael. Princes on earth, but not kings to God.
 
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Here at the end of time when God had brought judgment upon all the churches, outside of the churches during the Latter Rain God saved a great multitude from all over the world including those of Ishmael's line.

Isaiah 60:
[1] Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of Jehovah is risen upon thee.
[2] For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness (the half hour of silence) the people (time of the end and judgment beginning in 1988 A.D., the G.T., this could be speaking of the time when judgment is upon all the unsaved after May 21, 2011): but Jehovah shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee (the Latter Rain).
[3] And the Gentiles (nations) shall come to thy light (Rv 18:1), and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
[4] Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed (given milk, the gospel, Is 49:22-23) at thy side.
[5] Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea (people, Rv 17, Is) shall be converted unto thee, the forces (army) of the Gentiles (nations) shall come unto thee.
[6] The multitude of camels (unclean animal, Gn 24:11-19, the unsaved who drink the water of the gospel) shall cover thee, the dromedaries (Jr 2:23, How canst thou (the fallen churches) say, I am not polluted, I have not gone after Baalim? see thy way in the valley, know what thou hast done: thou art a swift dromedary traversing her ways;) of Midian and Ephah; all they from Sheba (Ps 72:10-12, [10] The kings of Tarshish (the farthest extents of the earth) and of the isles (the continents) shall bring presents: the kings of Sheba and Seba shall offer gifts. [11] Yea, all kings shall fall down before him: all nations shall serve him. [12] For he shall deliver the needy when he crieth; the poor also, and him that hath no helper., 1 Chrn 1:32-33 [32] Now the sons of Keturah, Abraham's concubine: she bare Zimran, and Jokshan, and Medan, and Midian, and Ishbak, and Shuah. And the sons of Jokshan; Sheba, and Dedan (Grandsons of Keturah).
[33] And the sons of Midian; Ephah, and Epher, and Henoch, and Abida, and Eldaah (Grandsons of Keturah). All these are the sons of Keturah (these were not of the promise in the line of Isaac).) shall come: they shall bring gold (salvation) and incense (identifies with prayers); and they shall shew forth the praises of Jehovah.
[7] All the flocks of Kedar (comes from the Hebrew word for Black, Dark (the Great Tribulation, the Latter Rain), To Mourn, the time of the G.T. Gn 17:20, the blessing of Ishmael, Gn 25:12-13, And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth (To Bring Forth Fruit); and Kedar (the second son of Ishmael, 1 Chr 1:28-31), and Adbeel, and Mibsam) shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams (the saved) of Nebaioth shall minister (sharing the gospel) unto thee (Mt 25:40, And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.): they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory (2 Chr 5:13-14, [13] It came even to pass, as the trumpeters and singers were as one, to make one sound to be heard in praising and thanking Jehovah; and when they lifted up their voice with the trumpets and cymbals and instruments of musick, and praised Jehovah, saying, For he is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: that then the house was filled with a cloud (the commandment of God, the Bible), even the house of Jehovah; [14] So that the priests could not stand to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of Jehovah had filled the house of God.).
During the Latter Rain God saved a great multitude from all over the world including those of Ishmael's line.

During any line of flesh, since no line of flesh matters anymore.

Gal 4 is speaking of a ministerial and spiritual line, one true for them of the faith of Abraham, and the other false for them faith in a false christ.
 
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But those born of another spirit without the faith of Abraham, are counted for the children of Hagar, as was Ishmael. Princes on earth, but not kings to God.

These are those who are serving with the flesh, not the lost.
 
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These are those who are serving with the flesh, not the lost.
It's a good distinction, but now you are getting into falling from grace, thinking to be made perfect by the flesh, and so being in bondage to the flesh.

Being in such bondage fallen from grace doesn't sound good for obtaining eternal salvation, especially since it isn't living by faith but by sight, which pleases not God.
 
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My understanding is that Ishmael was born to Hagar and that the 12 rulers refer to the 12 tribes of Israel, correct? But Galatians 4:30 states to "cast out the slave woman" for she (her descendants) will have no part of the covenant promise.

Genesis 17:20

20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation.

Probably reading this very incorrectly but could someone clarify this because the 12 tribes of Judah are certainly part of the Lords descendants whom me blesses correct?
You had some confusion about Ishmael and the promise made to him that others have cleared up already. However there is something very important being said in Galatians that may not have been made clear in the topic so far. Please allow me to be blunt about this second point:

In the OT and under the Old Covenant, Israel (the physical decedents of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob - later renamed Israel) were heirs to the promises and blessings of God. This was because JESUS was to be born from the biological descendants of Israel to receive and fulfill and complete the promises God made to Abraham.

In the NT, JESUS is the source of the promises. This means that the "biological descendants" of Israel join the rest of humanity in having no part in the "spiritual blessings" promised to Abraham and fulfilled in Jesus Christ. In contrast, the "spiritual decedents" of Abraham (those that place their faith in God just as Abraham did) are the "spiritual Israel" and receive the spiritual promises of God (through Jesus Christ).

Thus in the OT, the distinction in the "word picture" is between Ishmael (the child of the flesh) and Isaac (the child of the promise of God). In Galatians, Paul lumps the children of "Israel" that rejected Jesus together with Ishmael as children of the flesh and not of the promise. Paul places the promise in Jesus and only those that follow Jesus are "children of the promise".

I hope I explained that well. Paul was saying something important:
"It is ALL about JESUS!"
KNOW Jesus, KNOW God.
No Jesus, no promise.
 
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You had some confusion about Ishmael and the promise made to him that others have cleared up already. However there is something very important being said in Galatians that may not have been made clear in the topic so far. Please allow me to be blunt about this second point:

In the OT and under the Old Covenant, Israel (the physical decedents of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob - later renamed Israel) were heirs to the promises and blessings of God.
I am not sure of what you are saying here? When you say old covenant, do you mean the Sinai/Horeb covenant? Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the patriarchs were under the covenant of circumcision. They were not under the Sinai/Horeb covenant.
The royal covenant (Gen 17, of kings) was in force to the first generation on....
Deut 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

The covenant (Gen 15, to redeem them from slavery and give them the land), came into force in the fourth generation of his seed.
I wonder about the promised seed of kings.
Ge 21:12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
It says the seed would be called in Isaac. Was this Jacob?
rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
9 For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son.
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. {elder: or,

So, I am thinking the fourth generation of his seed, was the fourth generation from Jacob, if Jacob was the seed called in Isaac?
Jacob/Israel,
1. levi, 2. kohath, 3. Amram, 4. Moses and Aaron
 
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Abraham's descendants are reckoned through Isaac, not Ishmael (Romans 9:8; Genesis 21:12).
The promises to Abraham's descendants are not to Ishmael.

NT Scriptures conclude the truth of all Scripture:

Them with the faith of Abraham are now reckoned the children of Abraham and promise. (Gal 3:7)(Gal 4:28) (Rom 9:8)

Christians are now the children of Abraham and of Promise with inward circumcision of Christ and born of the Spirit:

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

The natural seed rejecting Jesus are no more counted as children of Abraham with any promise of God, but as that of Hagar in bondage: naturally born and outwardly circumcised as Ishmael, but cast out with the bondwoman and her son.

And even as Ishmael persecuted Isaac, so did the unbelieving Jews persecute the Christians.

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
 
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You had some confusion about Ishmael and the promise made to him that others have cleared up already. However there is something very important being said in Galatians that may not have been made clear in the topic so far. Please allow me to be blunt about this second point:

In the OT and under the Old Covenant, Israel (the physical decedents of Abraham through Isaac and Jacob - later renamed Israel) were heirs to the promises and blessings of God. This was because JESUS was to be born from the biological descendants of Israel to receive and fulfill and complete the promises God made to Abraham.

In the NT, JESUS is the source of the promises. This means that the "biological descendants" of Israel join the rest of humanity in having no part in the "spiritual blessings" promised to Abraham and fulfilled in Jesus Christ. In contrast, the "spiritual decedents" of Abraham (those that place their faith in God just as Abraham did) are the "spiritual Israel" and receive the spiritual promises of God (through Jesus Christ).

Thus in the OT, the distinction in the "word picture" is between Ishmael (the child of the flesh) and Isaac (the child of the promise of God). In Galatians, Paul lumps the children of "Israel" that rejected Jesus together with Ishmael as children of the flesh and not of the promise. Paul places the promise in Jesus and only those that follow Jesus are "children of the promise".

I hope I explained that well. Paul was saying something important:
"It is ALL about JESUS!"
KNOW Jesus, KNOW God.
No Jesus, no promise.
Well said. Accurate, clear, and concise.

This was because JESUS was to be born from the biological descendants of Israel to receive and fulfill and complete the promises God made to Abraham.

Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers.

Now Christ is the minister His inward circumcision to all that believe.

In the NT, JESUS is the source of the promises.

He is the One that confirmed the promise Personally with Abraham and his seed, and He is that promised seed:

And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


This means that the "biological descendants" of Israel join the rest of humanity in having no part in the "spiritual blessings" promised to Abraham and fulfilled in Jesus Christ.

They are all now accounted for uncircumcision with God:

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh.

In contrast, the "spiritual decedents" of Abraham (those that place their faith in God just as Abraham did)

And so, Christians are accounted as the children of Abraham with promise, which is the new name of the people of God (Is 62:2), no more being that of Jews, who will include any natural seed after the flesh, that abide not in unbelief and are grafted in again to the green olive tree of the Israel of God.

are the "spiritual Israel" and receive the spiritual promises of God (through Jesus Christ).

I would go a step further in that the children of Israel and nation of Israel on earth today is the body of Christ remaining alive on earth in natural bodies.

Spiritual Israel will not come to pass until the first resurrection of the church into spiritual bodies, which will ascend to meet with the Lord in the air, to return with Him to this earth and reign with Him with a rod of iron over the surviving nations of the earth.

During the generations following, all Israel after the flesh will be restored to the land promised to Abraham, and of them that believe Jesus from the heart will be the multitude of Levites prophesied in (Jerem 33:22), them outwardly and inwardly circumcised to serve Him personally during His reign. (Ezek 44:7-9)
 
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NT Scriptures conclude the truth of all Scripture:
Amen to that.
Them with the faith of Abraham are now reckoned the children of Abraham and promise. (Gal 3:7)(Gal 4:28) (Rom 9:8)
Christians are now the children of Abraham and of Promise with inward circumcision of Christ and born of the Spirit:

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
In context, the analogy is of law vs. faith (Galatians 4:24) in inheriting the promise.
The natural seed rejecting Jesus are no more counted as children of Abraham with any promise of God, but as that of Hagar in bondage: naturally born and outwardly circumcised as Ishmael, but cast out with the bondwoman and her son.

And even as Ishmael persecuted Isaac, so did the unbelieving Jews persecute the Christians.

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
The analogy of Hagar and Sarah is about the inheritance (promise)--by law or by faith, the law being set aside (Hebrews 7:18; Galatians 4:29) and the inheritance only by faith (Galatians 4:30-31).
 
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