Trump - 5th time in office that he hasn't heard of a Category 5 Hurricane

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He sort of put his foot in his mouth when he admitted that the storms are worse now then they were under previous administrations. Maybe when Mike Pence runs for president he can make a campaign promise that he will clean up the mess that Trump has made out of our environment.

Trump sticks his foot in his mouth so frequently I think we're more used to see it there than in his shoe at this point, ha. But you are right on that point.

If Pence ever runs for president and makes a campaign promise that he will clean up the mess Trump has made out of our environment, his actions this week alone will dramatically undermine it and make it be construed as disingenuous unless he takes substantial meaningful actions between now and then. Pence is currently in Ireland to conduct official government business in Dublin, and rather than staying within that vicinity which would have been tremendously more cost and time efficient and generate a remarkably smaller environmental footprint, he's staying literally on the opposite side of Ireland at Trump's private golf resort and commuting by plane. In contrast, many politicians in Europe who routinely travel lengthy distances have made a concerted effort to minimize use of flight to be more environmentally friendly. That's just one small incident that will be brought up to challenge any such promise.

To his credit, Pence is able to keep his feet in his shoes more often. I took two weeks off school and my internships last October to join my family volunteering in the hurricane-ravaged Panhandle where my grandparents and other family members live. Trump's very brief visit there was an obnoxious diversion of resources, generating more stress, especially in context to his antics that week (more on that later perhaps). Pence actually was more comforting and sincere when he visited. He gave more time and care. People didn't feel like they were being used by him as props for a photo shoot, or that he was there to tick a box on a to-do list. He was genuine and he listened. There's still plenty to criticize his administration on in regards to Hurricane Michael, but Pence truly was heartfelt, focused, and kind during his visit to the areas decimated by it.
 
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He is from the Queens. I know most people talk Bronx, and then they pretend they do not understand what the people from Queens are saying.
I don't think it makes any difference where someone is from as pertains to being forthright.
 
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Oh, the never-ending game of attributing ideas to the president that are obviously not what he meant but which most people almost automatically understand because we all use casual conversational speech, colloquialisms, and so on. And of course, every other president of recent memory did the same thing.
So what is the President trying to say exactly?
 
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My question is: How do you apply the teachings of Jesus to your life. Mark 4:39 "And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm." We are told that WE will do greater works then Jesus did. If He could rebuke the wind and calm the sea, then all the more we can.

There is a 50 degree difference between the Poles and the Equator. So according to the laws of thermodynamics this has to equalize itself. Heat means faster spinning atoms and that gets translated to the wind. The law of thermodynamics does not require death and destruction for the temperature to stabilize itself.

New Orleans is a little different though because that was a flood. So then we have to look at Noah's flood. Clearly there was a need for people to repent and turn away from their sin. Also New Orleans had plenty of warning and they did not do what they could to protect themselves from the inevitable.

I have spend quite a bit of time looking at the maps for the low lying areas along the ocean shore to see who is going to be going under water. Right now Miami just changed the building codes so they are required to build 3 feet higher then before. So they are ready when the ocean level rises. Also we have what they call storm surges. This is an issue in places like NYC and they already have seen flooding there. London England has built The Thames Barrier to protect the city from flooding. There is also going to be an issue in Shanghai when eventually they will have problems with flooding.

Obama wanted to slow down global warming. Trump does not seem to be as interested in dealing with this and we have seen quite an increase in natural disasters under his administration.

Hi josh,

As I said, sometimes just listening to folks it can be a fairly laughable matter. You think that all of this has to do with the equalization of heat in atoms through thermodynamics. Are you for real?

It's your position then that all of the suffering around the world from natural disasters is because we don't have the prayer power of Jesus. Are you really for real?

You don't think there was flooding just like what New Orleans experienced in the Bahama's? There was a 20' storm surge which was higher than most of the water in New Orleans. Have you seen any of the videos that have come out of the Abacos and Grand Bahamas?

I honestly cannot believe, that you believe, some of the things you are saying are the truth of the matter.

So Miami changes the building codes. What? You think then that they're going to tear down a million homes that are already built so that everyone is safe from a higher sea level? Life just doesn't work that way. Yes, new buildings being built today may be able to handle higher sea levels. However, hurricane Andrew showed the flaw of thinking that changing building codes fixes everything. There was a community called Saga Bay that was all built according to current code when the development was built. Hurricane Andrew came through and flooded every one of those homes. Sure, today all the homes in Saga Bay are supposed to be built higher, but they aren't. You see, the new codes only affected homes that were over 50% destroyed. Some people just kept their mouths shut and just rebuilt there home as it had been. So now you have a community with 25% of the homes raised up and 75% that are still on the ground. You can google Saga Bay Fl and do a street view and just go along the streets and see that most of the homes are still just single story homes that don't meet the current code and some are 2 story homes where their owners just built a house on top of their original structure.

So, don't fool yourself into thinking that changing building codes makes everything better in a situation such as this. It doesn't. Most of the coastline of Florida is covered with millions and millions of homes and changing building codes today doesn't have any effect whatsoever on those already built homes. So please, trust me, this thing you're saying that raising the building elevation 3 feet is somehow 'planning' for the future and is some fix all. Maybe the future in 100 years. Trust me please, Miami is not ready for the ocean's to rise. They're not likely to tear down and rebuild a 100 thousand homes to get ready either.

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Nobody stands a chance against Trump. All they are doing is collecting their contributions and going through the motions. All anyone cares about is how much money Trump is going to put in their wallet. Wages are running between $12 & $15 per hour and people are happy with that. This is better then the $8 to $12 they were getting under Obama.

Hi again josh,

Really? So you're assured that there has been a 50% wage increase since President Obama left office? I mean $8 to $12 is a 50% wage increase. In the last 2.5 years you have evidence that wages have gone up 50%. I'd be interested in seeing that evidence.

God bless,
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You see, the new codes only affected homes that were over 50% destroyed. Some people just kept their mouths shut and just rebuilt there home as it had been. So now you have a community with 25% of the homes raised up and 75% that are still on the ground.
How did they get away with not building under the new codes?
Maybe because there was just too many homes for the building inspectors to keep up on inspections?
 
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Well, I found 4 of the above variety just on the current list of new threads, covering less than the last 24 hours. Now consider how many others have appeared since 2016 and my estimate may actually be low.

Sort of like how Trump claimed there were thousands and thousands of Muslims in Jersey City cheering the towers as they fell, as evidenced by 6 being actually identified.

Your argument appears to now be comparing 4 years of Trump threads vs. 3 months of Biden threads and seeing the disparity reflective of the left vs. the right.

The reason the Biden threads don't get much traction is because no one on the left is defending the nonsense he says, whereas Trump supports continue to defend the indefensible.
 
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Your scenario, however, assumes that it is normal for every last syllable that the president utters to be second-guessed and re-interpreted, even off-the-cuff comments that are not particularly critical to anything.

Meanwhile, the man who is likely to be the Democrat nominee (Joe Biden), and quite possibly the next president, campaigns on tales of his past doings that he has simply invented, ones that are false from beginning to end. And ones, if believed, benefit him, unlike a casual comment about the weather which was the occasion for this thread attacking President Trump!

Where are the threads berating Biden for his many lies and misstatements? Where are the threads about Biden penned by self-appointed analysts of the man's mental state started by those CF members who miss no opportunity to analyze every comment by President Trump?

Of course they are not to be found, proving that all the pious claims are baloney, completely lacking in credibility.

I can't speak for the CF threads, but the Biden campaign is starting to circle the drain as more and more of these misstatements of Biden hit the news cycle. I suspect even the liberal side of the media isn't wild about Biden as the presumptive nominee.
 
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I mean $8 to $12 is a 50% wage increase.
This is not an increase it is a pay range. People were making $8, $9, $10, $11 & $12 an hour. I just saw a job opening for a store where they are paying $3 more for people to work on weekends. Now people are making $12, $13, $14 & $15 an hour. This is what they said they wanted. In some states Walmart is already paying $15 and hour and they have plans to pay everyone everywhere that amount.

My wife is only making $12 which she is not happy with. But they give her pretty much all the overtime she wants. So she ends up making the amount she wants.
 
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Sort of like how Trump claimed there were thousands and thousands of Muslims in Jersey City cheering the towers as they fell
In some countries there is a very high approval rating for terrorism.
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Are you for real?
You can do the research for yourself. I am not going to do it for you. If you read Tyson's book the universe started out one trillion degrees Kelvin. From there according to Tyson the universe began to expand and the universe began to cool. Now if you want to disagree with Tyson that is fine with me. I don't care if you accept what he says or not. I am no expert I just read what the experts say about the subject.
 
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So Miami changes the building codes. What? You think then that they're going to tear down a million homes
Do you know what a building code is? IF you flunk your inspection then YES, the city will make you tear down a million dollar house and do it right. Once you pass your inspection then you are free and clear. I never had any problem with building inspectors because I respected them and followed the laws and the codes.
 
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Your scenario, however, assumes that it is normal for every last syllable that the president utters to be second-guessed and re-interpreted, even off-the-cuff comments that are not particularly critical to anything.
Second-guessed and re-interpreted? No, those criticizing Donald are the ones taking his words at face value leaving his fans to do the re-interpreting so he doesn't look quite so daft.

Meanwhile, the man who is likely to be the Democrat nominee (Joe Biden), and quite possibly the next president, campaigns on tales of his past doings that he has simply invented, ones that are false from beginning to end. And ones, if believed, benefit him, unlike a casual comment about the weather which was the occasion for this thread attacking President Trump!

Where are the threads berating Biden for his many lies and misstatements? Where are the threads about Biden penned by self-appointed analysts of the man's mental state started by those CF members who miss no opportunity to analyze every comment by President Trump?

Of course they are not to be found, proving that all the pious claims are baloney, completely lacking in credibility.
Well then, Albion, shouldn't the reverse be true as well? All those kind folk slagging Biden but giving Donald's plethora of lies a wink and a nod, shouldn't they be also considered completely lacking in credibility?
 
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How did they get away with not building under the new codes?
Maybe because there was just too many homes for the building inspectors to keep up on inspections?

Hi hank,

Well, what the insurance company would give you for a home wasn't given to the county officials. So, whether a home was 50% destroyed or not could be rather subjective. If all you lost was a roof and carpet and 3' of drywall all around the house, could you really say that was 50% of the value of the home. As I said, a lot of people just took the insurance money and began rebuilding their homes. I rebuilt three homes and never had a single enforcement officer stop by and check. Yes, that was likely because they were too busy. Seriously, every house within a 10-20 mile swath from Biscayne Bay to 177 Ave. needed to be repaired to some extent.

Hurricane Andrew came ashore just north of the Homestead Air Base. That's SW 268 ST. I lived on SW 200th ST and that was not the end of the damage. I think the actual point of landfall was about SW 248th St. The police roadblock was at SW 152 St. Then the damage ran south of the SW 248th St. landfall all the way to Florida City which was SW 344 St. That's about the end of civilization in South Dade. Then you go into the keys and there's about a 20 mile break of mangroves from Florida City to Key Largo, which is the first key in the chain.

So, you're talking a swath of homes and businesses from SW 152 ST to SW 344th St from Biscayne Bay to as far west as growth went, which was Krome Ave. (SW 177th Ave.) on the northern part of the border and about SW 322 Ave on the southern end. It was just a huge swath of pretty densely developed acreage.

I had a rental in Homestead Florida that lost a part of its roof. It was on SW 306th St. I started repairing the roof and I came back the next day and there was a red tag on the door. Ordering me to cease and desist work. I took it off the door and kept right on going and never heard another word about it. I had tenants living in the house and they didn't have anywhere to go. You couldn't get a motel room after the storm for as far north as Hollywood FL. People talk about, just leave! You couldn't just leave unless you were willing to drive 100 miles for a hotel room. Most people still needed to or wanted to go to work and many worked in Miami downtown where there was very little damage. All the banks and high rise office buildings were open for business. You couldn't just move 50-100 miles away while everything got right again. Right now today, we have people getting hotel rooms in Greenville, 250 miles from the coast, because there's nothing left available any closer than that.

People without credit cards and some money in the bank can't just leave. You can go to a shelter, but most people think of them the same as the homeless think of homeless housing. You're crowded up with hundreds of other families on some school gymnasium floor. Sleeping on cots. No thanks. I hunkered down through Andrew and it was as tough a storm as Dorian and as far as our health, we were fine. People that had left, then had to sit around and wait for the officials to give out the all clear. That was a couple of days later. I already had most of the debris in front of my house piled up on the right of way for bulk waste pick up, which went on for months free of charge, by the time they were just getting back to their homes. I had my insurance company put a 12 by 55 mobile home in the front yard. My family made it through just fine, but it was scary that night hunkered in the closet. I'd never been through a hurricane that strong before.

However, I didn't have to deal with storm surge. My home was quite a ways from the water and storm surge wasn't an issue where I lived. Flooding can really be the worst part of a hurricane. The water ruins everything. With just wind damage you can nail down a tarpaulin on your roof and sleep in your bed at night, but you won't have any electricity and the mosquitoes will literally eat you alive. But, we made it ok. However, I was 40 then. Now I'm 64 and I would not want to have to do it again at this age. It's just too much work. One of the main reasons that I now live in the upstate of South Carolina is because I moved the year that 5 hurricanes criss-crossed Florida. My wife and I looked at each other and said, "uh-uh. I'm not spending the rest of my life putting hurricane shutters up every year or every other year." Of course, Miami Dade now hasn't had a hurricane of any importance since we left. It's just the luck of the draw just as it is with most natural disasters.

God bless,
In Christ, ted
 
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Perhaps if White House staff had referred to each hurricane of devastating magnitude that hit the United States during his tenure as Trump 1, Trump 2, Trump 3, Trump 4, he could have remembered.

You should ask if any of your profs have a connection to the White House & have them pass along the suggestion. We all got a chuckle out of the idea but in truth it would probably work.
 
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