Are you familiar with the Bible, Steve? I think it's pretty straight forward on that.
Godless, and without morals?
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why are there so many evil people in the world?
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Are you familiar with the Bible, Steve? I think it's pretty straight forward on that.
Godless, and without morals?
stevil
Godless and without morals
I'm not familiar with the bible.
I personally don't judge people as being evil, do you?
I don't know what would qualify a person as being evil.
Do you term non believers as evil?
What about non law abiding?
What about immigrants?
What about selfish people?
What about wealthy people?
What about people that don't fit the norm?
I don't really know what you would classify as an evil person, nor how you would judge them? Do you get to judge them or is there an authority on that topic?
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If you mean "judge people" as being evil as just agreeing there are evil people, then yes, I do. Christ has the job of judging them to hell or not.
I think I told you one thing that qualifies a person as being evil.
God terms nonbelievers as evil, so I do.
What about non law abiding? All depends, occasional, constantly, Godly, or not?
Immigrants? Not unless they are Godless
Selfish people? again, to what extent. I've been selfish and probably will be again.
Wealthy people. Godly people are fine wealthy or poor.
The norm? way to broad a question. How do you mean, not fit the norm?
Again, Jesus judges them, he was appointed by God to do so.
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I think the scripture is very clear on this. Men are choosing DARKNESS rather than LIGHT because that's what they're wanting. Now generations and even cultures vary in just how much the fear of the Lord or reverence of God they walk in and Jesus said right before he returns it'll be especially bad.
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24: 12-14
So again you ask why are so many in the world evil? Simply because they've allowed their minds to be deluded into thinking independence from God and his ways is a form of strength. It isn't however. It's the greatest weakness of all for it leaves the way they were actually created to function.....in fellowship with the Lord of LOVE and LIFE!
And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Matt 24: 12-14
So again you ask why are so many in the world evil? Simply because they've allowed their minds to be deluded into thinking independence from God and his ways is a form of strength. It isn't however. It's the greatest weakness of all for it leaves the way they were actually created to function.....in fellowship with the Lord of LOVE and LIFE!
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stevil
Godless and without morals
Well, by this definition then I am as evil as they come, pure evil.
And to answer the original question in this context.
"Why are there so many evil people in the world?"
Well, I'm evil because you judge me as being evil, because I don't have a belief in god(s).
There are lots of people who don't believe in gods, why? Because of various reasons, but manly because we don't see evidence for gods and find the stories of invisible gods and angels and demons and miracles and such, well, very, very, very hard to believe.
Can I assume you also believe people who don't believe in your particular god to be evil?
It seems its an US vs THEM thing.
Good is US and Evil is THEM.
Atheists on the other hand tend to be inclusive rather than exclusive.
We don't judge you as being evil simply because you don't belong to the US group.
Myself, I don't judge anyone as being evil. It's just not my place to be doing this.
But then again, I'm pure evil. So I guess you would just expect me to be inclusive and non judgemental.
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Man is incapable of knowing another’s heart. We may say his behaviors are evil or harmful. But we cannot affirm anything beyond that. And must take care in its use.
There’s many people in the bible who committed evil acts that most would never receive or befriend.
I don’t believe Moses would be welcome in most places and nor would David. And the same holds true for Paul. Their crimes have a stigma that’s difficult to overcome. But God used each mightily.
There’s many people in the bible who committed evil acts that most would never receive or befriend.
I don’t believe Moses would be welcome in most places and nor would David. And the same holds true for Paul. Their crimes have a stigma that’s difficult to overcome. But God used each mightily.
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I agree that crime statistics are a reasonably sound proxy for identifying evil, though I think you would agree that not all crimes would necessarily fit the evil label. I appreciate you providing hard data - worth so much more than opinions. I would note two things - the US is not necessarily representative of the world at large; reported crime goes up when citizens think their reports will be treated seriously. That can blur the data.
I'll take a look at your link, reflect and may respond further.
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Is that a Boolean AND? As written, you are declaring that a person may be Godless, but if they have morals, they are not evil. I suspect that is not what you intend, hence my request for clarification.
If their God is Krishna, or Allah, are they still - in your view - Godless?
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Humans keep reproducing despite the knowledge that they aren't perfect, and that the world can likely influence their child to continue in imperfection. What should we expect?
We have been told why evil really exists; we don't want to believe it. We have been told why evil must remain until Judgment was well. Evil is rampant because of what Adam did, and it continues because removing all evil now means everyone dies. Evil entities know this, which is why the spirit entices. That way, if we (even the remnant) are always doing evil, we have to STAY in hell/under the rule of "the 'Prince' of the air" (who is real, and goes by several names).
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I wasn't making an argument. I was trying to get you to clarify your viewpoint. Why are you reluctant to do that? Please answer my questions now:
Does an evil person have to be both Godless and without morals, or will either one or the other mean they are evil?
In your definition/specification is the God referred to only the Christian God?
These are simple questions. They do not constitute an argument**. I would appreciate a straightforward reply.
**Not only are my questions not an argument I do not expect to use your answers to construct an argument.
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There are always other factors, but that margin...wow. The average wasn't so shocking, however those numbers were only due to the mostly unchanging murder rate. My guess on that is people know they can die if they do that crime so they tend to shy away from it.
I knew it was worse just from 65yrs of observation, but I had no idea until I saw that.
I don't expect much of an agreement on this, and I can't be even somewhat sure until I can find the same stats that date from, say, 1900 to 1960, but so far, it appears taking God from public schools may have had just the impact some expected.
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I would say so, at least as I understand things, but we'll leave the final prognosis up the God.
No, I thought I made that clear, God judges, the rules are his, I simply am on his side, if he says your evil, then that's it.
In so many words, yes.
Right.
If course you do, it makes many Atheists that come here livid that we are Christians because the God we believe in sends non Christians to Hell, and that worries them no end, so you come here and try to convince us that God doesn't exist, with hope to do away with the hell that frightens them so. I've seen it so often there is no doubt in my mind.
Come home to your wife and 3 kids to find a serial killer has... well lets just say, taken them away from you in an extremely violent way, over a very long time, and then tell me you don't judge anyone as being evil.
I don't "expect" anything from you.
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From wikipedia (I added emphasis):
Crime in the United States has been recorded since colonization. Crime rates have varied over time, with a sharp rise after 1963, reaching a broad peak between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since then, crime has declined significantly in the United States,[1] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.[2]
From Pew Research:
Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century.
Property crime has declined significantly over the long term.
Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data. Opinion surveys regularly find that Americans believe crime is up nationally, even when the data show it is down.
I concede there have been some increases in crime in the 1970s and 1980s.
Crime in the United States has been recorded since colonization. Crime rates have varied over time, with a sharp rise after 1963, reaching a broad peak between the 1970s and early 1990s. Since then, crime has declined significantly in the United States,[1] and current crime rates are approximately the same as those of the 1960s.[2]
From Pew Research:
Violent crime in the U.S. has fallen sharply over the past quarter century.
Property crime has declined significantly over the long term.
Public perceptions about crime in the U.S. often don’t align with the data. Opinion surveys regularly find that Americans believe crime is up nationally, even when the data show it is down.
I concede there have been some increases in crime in the 1970s and 1980s.
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