Your Thoughts on Creation & Evolution
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Atheism is weak. Yep, I said it
And likewise, good to see you.
Depends on your background. If you pretty much know nothing, this would be a big help:
"Despite what some other reviewers say, this is a deep and superb book on evolution. It does cover a lot of ground, but it never talks down to the reader or skimps on supporting facts. It takes a historical perspective, going chronologically through the important thinkers in the field. The cartoonish drawings might make it look like a children's book but it actually is suitable for any age, from bright 12-year-old through adult. If you are new to the subject this is an excellent introduction. But even if you know quite a bit about evolution this book will fill in the blanks and give you a better sense of the history and bibliography of the subject."
https://www.amazon.com/Get-Grip-Evolution-David-Burnie/dp/0737000368
If you have a slightly better understanding of science, and a longer attention span, you could get this:
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41qAdrPVFlL._SX311_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
If you're pretty well read in biology and you have a really good attention span, you might go to this:
This one, while no page-turner, is about as detailed and complete a summary of evolution as you can find in one tome. I'm still getting through it.
https://www.amazon.com/Structure-Ev...utionary+theory&qid=1565872612&s=books&sr=1-1
A change in allele frequency in a population over time.
Since every organism is different from every other of its kind, each birth and death in a population produces a change in allele frequencies.
The problem for understanding is people (often in complete innocence) conflate evolution, with agencies of evolution like natural selection and mutation, with consequences of evolution, like common descent. And of course, evolutionary theory isn't evolution; it's the theory that best explains the phenomenon.
Well, you know how diffident barbarians are...
Hey hey sir
I choose "Structure-Evolutionary-Theory-Stephen-Gould". Only one i could find a free pdf on. I aint wasting my money on such boring material ;p
Wow 1400 pages. Im starting to read it but i have found some interesting statements on the first few pages i would like you to consider.
"always treat "obvious" truths with skepticism. In so doing, Darwin also challenged the celebrated definition of science as "organized common sense," as championed by his dear friend Thomas Henry Huxley."
What should i make of this statement?
"well that the most dependable data on behavior and breeding of domesticated and cultivated organisms would be obtained from active farmers and husbandmen"
Could dependable spiritual data be obtained from a Christian?
"Darwinian logic can be defined by the practical strategy defended in the first section of this chapter: by specifying a set of minimal commitments, or broad statements so essential to the central logic of the enterprise that disproof of any item will effectively destroy the theory"
What minimal commitments and statements are essential to evolution?
"a new wave of discoveries and theoretical reformulations began to challenge aspects of the three central principles"
Please consider this article i have provided
Massive Genetic Study Reveals 90 Percent Of Earth’s Animals Appeared At The Same Time
What does this article mean?
Cheers. I definitely want a discussion with you. Sorry @Kylie, i will continue here. Once ive finished we will continue - you should not hold your breath. Plus you aint going nowhere, you practically live here my dear
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The creatures formed from the Earth were made by the Hands of Jesus and were subject to death. The "living" creatures were made by God the Trinity, ETERNALLY, or destined to live forever in Heaven. Since man was made from the dust of the ground, he MUST be born again Spiritually, by God the Trinity in order to enter the kingdom of God. Jhn 3:6 The choice is simple, believe God's Truth and become immortal.
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Do you agree with Aman777's specific interpretation of the Bible? Do you believe that Adam was created ~9 billion years ago and that the first humans came to Earth from another world and then interbred with prehistoric people that had evolved from earlier primates?
I'm trying to see if any other Christians on this site agree with him, but so far it's zip.
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Oooooooooooh... see, I didn't realize you were talking about True Science(TM).
Are you also talking about True History(TM), True Math(TM) and True Genetics(TM) as well?
If you don't distinguish between those things and regular science, regular history and regular math, it's a little hard to follow.
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The Holy Spirit writes in mysterious ways so that unbelievers CANNOT definitely define what the same word, means to the Holy Spirit. The only way you can find out is to allow Him into your heart and seek to understand His Truth. It's really easy when you understand God's complete story of the creation of the perfect Heaven.
Doesn't matter to me since my view is that we live in the last days before Jesus returns. It's too late for the NRSV to provide salvation for all those who have already left this Earth. Do you know WHY Jesus returns? Hint: Mat 24:22
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Not really. What I have learned over the years online, is that it takes a long time for those who have believed the traditional creation story, to believe a Christian who lives in the last days. The stories seem contradictory until you understand what Day it is (6th Day) and then you begin to see the enormity of the Supreme Intelligence of God.
Scripture AGREES with Science only for those with the "increased knowledge" available online, in these last days before Jesus returns. Daniel 12:4 Scripture MUST agree with every other discovered Truth or it is NOT God's Truth.
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True Science is fact, repeatable and not theory. Scientific Theory is the best guess or consensus of most scientists of the time based on what they think the facts show. It's changeable because the facts we discover as knowledge advances, change. IOW, Scientists can assume something which is totally false, thus the ToE.
True Science agrees that Humans have the superior intelligence which only God and Humans have Genesis 3:22 AND we also have the DNA of prehistoric people who evolved from water beginning with the last universal common ancestor who lived 3.8 Billion years ago, in man's time. Did God tell us this more than 3k years ago? Yes. Gen 6:4
The Nephilim are the children of the sons of God (prehistoric people) and Humans (descendants of Adam). Today's 8 Billion living Humans are the Nephilim. We are a combination of the sons of God and Humans. We have the mind of God and the bodies of people who evolved from the water. Genesis 1:21
Scientists, currently being ignorant of this True Science, have falsely assumed that we MUST have evolved from the water. Actually, Humans are a special creation, made by the hands of Jesus and destined to live with Him forever.
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So I guess anyone who existed before the Internet was kinda screwed then?
No, and that's one of the evidences of God. Anyone who lived and died on planet Earth until the present last days, believed by blind Faith, which is what God wanted. Only the people of the last days have the increased knowledge to understand Genesis. Daniel 12:4 It's proof that Jesus is coming in the present last generation. Beware of those who can destroy all life on this Earth. Mat 24:22 Mar 13:20
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Why? Do you think you understand the mysteries of the creation hidden in Genesis? A good example is the Scriptural Fact that 1 firmament, which God called Heaven was made the 2nd Day. Genesis 1:8 Other firmaments/Heavens were made on the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4 Can you tell us how many firmaments/Heavens were made?
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Frankly, I don't give a monkey's - I was curious to hear whether you had a consistent and coherent story about it - many believers do - but I didn't expect quite such a confused and changeable explanation!
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You missed the point (again). You claim "all animals came from water just as science discovered", but then you claim "Jesus made some animals from Earth". You can't have it both ways. If all animals came from water, then Genesis 1:25 is wrong. But if Jesus made some animals from Earth then Genesis does not agree with science.
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Atheism is weak. Yep, I said it
Hey kylie
Excellent, we both agree that you should not hold your breath until i respond and continue our fun conversation.
I like our conversations but i do like to converse with others. I think its coming on to 2 years since we first began our dialogue. Wow the time goes by.
It would be amazing if i did see you anywhere else. Im curious, besides convincing your husband to become a "critically thinking Christian" - see i remember - what else do you get up to?
While i await @sfs and @The Barbarian to reply, Is there a link between you being here and your husbands belief system?
Cheers
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