Adam and Eve and The Garden of Eden, "You shall not touch it, lest you die"...
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No they hadn't, not yet...
That happened either at or with the fall of Adam and Eve or maybe not even until after Christ, and after Christ did what He did, etc... (Luke 10:17-18)
But nothing and no one and no creature was fallen yet at that time before they ate the fruit at the very least...
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But the serpent had already sinned before Adam sinned:
Ezekiel 28:11–19:
11 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within, and you sinned; therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God; and I destroyed you, O covering cherub, from the midst of the fiery stones.
17 Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, that they might gaze at you.
18 You defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your trading; therefore I brought fire from your midst; it devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; you have become a horror, and shall be no more forever.” ’ ”
Ezekiel 28:11–19:
11 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
12 “Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “You were the seal of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering: the sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold. The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created.
14 You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created, till iniquity was found in you.
16 By the abundance of your trading you became filled with violence within, and you sinned; therefore I cast you as a profane thing out of the mountain of God; and I destroyed you, O covering cherub, from the midst of the fiery stones.
17 Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor; I cast you to the ground, I laid you before kings, that they might gaze at you.
18 You defiled your sanctuaries by the multitude of your iniquities, by the iniquity of your trading; therefore I brought fire from your midst; it devoured you, and I turned you to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you; you have become a horror, and shall be no more forever.” ’ ”
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What about Satan and the Origin of Evil?
When Did Satan Fall?
Satan sinned when pride overtook him and he fell from perfection (Ezekiel 28:15–17). When was this? The Bible doesn’t give an exact answer either, but deductions can again be made from the Scriptures.
How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: “I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High” (Isaiah 14:12–14).
When he sinned, he was cast from heaven (Isaiah 14:12). This must have been after day 6 of creation week because God pronounced everything very good (Genesis 1:31). Otherwise, God would have pronounced Satan’s rebellion very good; yet throughout Scripture, God is absolute that sin is detestable in His eyes.
God sanctified the seventh day. It seems unlikely that God would have sanctified a day in which a great rebellion occurred. In Genesis 1:28, God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. Had they waited very long to have sexual relations, they would have been sinning against God by not being fruitful. So, it couldn’t have been long after day 7 that Satan tempted the woman through the serpent.
Archbishop Ussher, the great 17th-century Bible scholar, placed Satan’s fall on the tenth day of the first year, which is the Day of Atonement. The Day of Atonement seems to reflect back to the first sacrifice when God made coverings for Adam and Eve from the coats of animal skins (Genesis 3:21). It may be that the generations to come (from Abel to Noah to Abraham to the Israelites) followed this pattern of sacrificing for sins on the Day of Atonement.
Regardless, the fall of Satan would likely have been soon after day 7.
When Did Satan Fall?
Satan sinned when pride overtook him and he fell from perfection (Ezekiel 28:15–17). When was this? The Bible doesn’t give an exact answer either, but deductions can again be made from the Scriptures.
How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who weakened the nations! For you have said in your heart: “I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation on the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High” (Isaiah 14:12–14).
When he sinned, he was cast from heaven (Isaiah 14:12). This must have been after day 6 of creation week because God pronounced everything very good (Genesis 1:31). Otherwise, God would have pronounced Satan’s rebellion very good; yet throughout Scripture, God is absolute that sin is detestable in His eyes.
God sanctified the seventh day. It seems unlikely that God would have sanctified a day in which a great rebellion occurred. In Genesis 1:28, God commanded Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. Had they waited very long to have sexual relations, they would have been sinning against God by not being fruitful. So, it couldn’t have been long after day 7 that Satan tempted the woman through the serpent.
Archbishop Ussher, the great 17th-century Bible scholar, placed Satan’s fall on the tenth day of the first year, which is the Day of Atonement. The Day of Atonement seems to reflect back to the first sacrifice when God made coverings for Adam and Eve from the coats of animal skins (Genesis 3:21). It may be that the generations to come (from Abel to Noah to Abraham to the Israelites) followed this pattern of sacrificing for sins on the Day of Atonement.
Regardless, the fall of Satan would likely have been soon after day 7.
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When was iniquity found in him...?
And that description sounds more like a Man or Adam of a Son of God than a serpent, but, if he did fall before "The Fall" I don't think the Bible tells us, unless you can maybe show where or how it does maybe...?
I think to assume that goes beyond what the Bible actually tells us or says...
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How could he weaken nations when no nations were around yet...?
And, God did not have to make coverings for Adam and Eve until after they sinned...?
And you might want to check this out maybe: Genesis and Creation, Days are long "ages" ect...?
I think he more than likely fell or was cast out or down or out of the Garden when Adam and Eve were, or along with Adam and Eve, after what he did with them, and to them, is maybe when iniquity was found in him, etc...
Just my take though, anyway, anyways...
I think The Garden of Eden could be symbolic of Heaven, and the animals symbolic of angels, and Adam symbolic of a Son of God over them, etc...
I think much of the story of Adam and Eve and the Garden Paradise, the animals, etc, was very much a "likeness" or was symbolic or was metaphorical of "Heaven" and the Heavenly realm and/or existence, and being kicked out of it, was being kicked out from there, etc...
That the whole "tale" is heavily laced with heavy symbolism and metaphor, being a "likeness" of Heaven, or the heavenly realm and/or existence or world...
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I would agree with this more.
Adam is the representation of Christ the Son of God. In fact Luke 3:38 says "... Adam was the son of God." John 3:16 says, "For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son..." Jesus would constantly refer to himself as the Son of Man (Ben Adam... Bin Adam). Paul says, "The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." ! Corinthians 15:45. John 1: 14, And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,...
In referring to himself as the Son of Man -although the devil refereed to him as the Son of God during temptations-, Jesus meant to stamp his place as man (One who eats the fruit given to him by the woman). The bible is so categorical while using the article "the". Secondly, the author would have referred to Eve, instead uses the term "the woman."
This picture of the woman and the serpent is shown in the book of revelation 12. The bible is very consistent... The serpent here stood before the woman to devour her child who would rule the all the nations. This is he who opposes or the adversary or Satan or the devil. The woman having proceeded from the man is a consistent representation of the Church. As Jesus said I will establish my church, from the church proceeds the authority of Christ who is the Godhead dwelling bodily. This is the Son that the serpent seeks to devour.
Adam in being consistent with the scriptures "ate" from the woman. Isaiah 53: 4. "Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows... 1 Peter 2:24 "He Himself bore our sins in His body..." Romans 4:25 "Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification." Hebrews 2:17 "Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren...to make propitiation for the sins of the people."
This is how he who ate the fruit brought death in that he died for our sins... for the wages of sin is death... but rose again in life. Thus First Adam (in the flesh) died to take away every condemnation, and rose again in Christ to give life to all by reconciling men back to God.
So the picture of Adam and Eve represent the gospel of Christ in every way. It is not the history of sin per se but a demonstration of grace. In that he took our own form of weakness and conquered the chain of death and hades do that those who dwelt there might be loosed to life with the Father. He created a room for us all in the Father.
Colossians 3:1-43 1 Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. 2 Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. 3 For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.
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Conquered (tasted) (ate) (swallowed up) death, by or through death, or by dying for every man who would believe... in and on Him and His Father and all that They did and/or accomplished for us together, etc...
And by living a sinless life and dying also...
Very, very good...
Great post.
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Everything represents something on at least five levels if not more. I do not try to get into understanding all of the symbols so much as what each individual letter represents. God is infinite. So we could spend our whole life to study and understand what the very first letter in the very first word means. This represents the incarnation. Jesus becoming a humble part of His Creation. So that heaven and earth could be united to become one. This is what they call to run and return or the cycle of life. God made them male and female so that could be united and become one. God made Heaven and Earth so that He could be united and become one. So we are to pray, Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. So that creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.
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Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”
Gen 3:1 "Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made"
The serpent was a manifestation of Satan. If that is the right word.
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There are several facts easily discerned: First, Satan had already fallen when, as Sneaky Snake, he talked Eve into sinning.
And, while some claim Eve added to God's words by saying He said to not even touch the fruit, we don't know exactly what God had told A&E. Remember, God didn't SAY Eve had added to His command; He rebuked & punished them for DISOBEYING that command, as well as punishing Sneaky Snake for leading them into sin.
And, while some claim Eve added to God's words by saying He said to not even touch the fruit, we don't know exactly what God had told A&E. Remember, God didn't SAY Eve had added to His command; He rebuked & punished them for DISOBEYING that command, as well as punishing Sneaky Snake for leading them into sin.
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Do you think that if Adam had chosen to lay down his life for Eve, knowing that the penalty for sin is death, that he would have experienced a similar experience as our Lord did?
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I never really considered Adam's motive for eating. Also another point that was brought up was when was the war in heaven when the angels were cast out? If God was talking to Satan at the time of Job was that pre or post eviction? Or is God still talking to him?
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IMO. As soon as Eve ate of the fruit both Adam and Eve sinned at that moment even before Adam ate. They were made as "one flesh". Adam represents all mankind thus the fall reflected on him immediately. After all, it was the fall that caused him to eat of the forbidden fruit in the first place. He was made aware of good and evil and lost the relationship with God.
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He would have got a nice pair of snakeskin trousers instead of waiting and ending up with an apron.
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I think the picture is of individual choice.
Eve, first disobeyed God .... then Adam ... it also states Adam was with with her.
Genesis 3
6When the woman saw that the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eyes, and that it was desirable for obtaining wisdom, she took the fruit and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Each were given an individual consequence, and then of course sin entered into the bloodline of humanity.
Also, the serpent received a consequence.
Genesis 3
14So the LORD God said to the serpent:
“Because you have done this,
cursed are you above all livestock
and every beast of the field! ...
16To the woman He said:
“I will sharply increase your pain in childbirth;
in pain you will bring forth children.
You will desire your husband,
and he will rule over you.” ...
17And to Adam He said:
“Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
from which I commanded you not to eat,
cursed is the ground because of you;
through toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.
All three disobeyed God ... each had a individual choice.
So we also have the picture of how ones sin(s) effects the individual as well as the collective.
It's interesting they chose to blame one another, rather than any of them immediately admitting their individual sin (disobedience) and asking for forgiveness.
God provided clothing for them (Genesis 3:21) and allowed them to have children (Genesis 4). He also promised “the seed of the woman” to crush the power of the serpent (Genesis 3:15) (first prophesy pointing to Jesus). This promise was fulfilled in Jesus Christ, who defeated sin and death on the cross and provides abundant life now (John 10:10) and eternal life with God in heaven (John 3:16). As Romans 5:19 says, “For as by the one man's [Adam’s] disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's [Jesus’] obedience the many will be made righteous.”
and so it is today ... we all have individual choices, we will experience consequences due to those choices, our choices effect others and accepting Jesus, through Him our sin (nakedness) is covered by His great sacrifice and the perfect life He lived .. and He helps us to overcome ... and this is over our life-time on earth.
Philippians 1
6And I am sure of this, that He who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ. AMEN!
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