How can some Christian's believe that not all of our sins are forgiven?

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When Christ said 70 x 7 he did not mean there's a limit to one's forgiveness. He just gave an exponential number as to how many times we should forgive to make a point. He did not mean that we should only forgive those who sinned against us 490 times and then after that, there's no forgiveness. That would be a contradiction to Christ's previous statement in Matthew 6:14-15.

One verse I forgot to put in the OP is Colossians 2:13. I'll do that now.

Yes, I know that .... the point was .... we sin a lot ... we often repeat the same sin(s) ... when we sin ... we need to ask for forgiveness (every time - as you said) ... He is quick to forgive ... but we have to ask for His forgiveness when we are made aware of our sin.

He died for everyone's sin and provided the way one might be reconciled to God.

Some people are of the mind that one can accept Jesus and then just go on sinning without any changes, and that simply is not the case ... asking for His forgiveness and our repentance is on-going.

We all struggle in sin and I don't think he or I in my OP was trying to deny that. I think what the OP was trying to say is that we aren't held accountable for our sins anymore.

Correct .... once we confess and repent.

Acts 3:19

Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out
 
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I see this way too much here on CF. A lot of people claiming that once we accept Christ only our past sins are forgiven and various other things. If this is the case why does the bible teach the opposite?
Hello, I'm one of those people. If our future sins are already forgiven then I have a question: why do we ask for forgiveness every time we speak the Lord's Prayer?
 
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Where in the post did I say that? If I claimed such a thing I would not be reading my Bible now would I?
Where did I post that you said anything? I see question marks in my reply. Only you can say whether or not you read the bible......whether or not you do doesnt change my ability to respect your opinions.
 
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I see this way too much here on CF. A lot of people claiming that once we accept Christ only our past sins are forgiven and various other things. If this is the case why does the bible teach the opposite?

Matthew 18 -- sins that are past forgiven and that forgiveness can be revoked. "I forgave you all that debt..." - debt which was owed.
2 Peter 1:9 NASB - For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.

Complete atonement is taught throught the Bible.

And Lev 16 "Day of Atonement" points out that both the death of Christ on the cross as the sin offering AND the work of Christ in heaven after He ascended to heaven as our High Priest - is required to be completed for the full Gospel scope of "atonement" to be complete.

1 John 2:2 "The atoning sacrifice for our sin and not for our sins only but for the sins of the whole world"

The payment includes all debt for all sin in all of time - but the application of that atoning sacrifice depends on the sinner's interaction with Christ our High Priest -- which is why universalism is not true.

And it is why Peter points out that we have forgiveness of sins " that are past"

So what about 1 John 1:9 then if our sins are completely forgiven? See:
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Indeed - it is answered by Peter's clarification that it is only "sins that are past" and by Christ's clarification on the point "forgiveness revoked" in Matthew 18
 
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I see this way too much here on CF. A lot of people claiming that once we accept Christ only our past sins are forgiven and various other things. If this is the case why does the bible teach the opposite?

Complete atonement is taught throught the Bible. Some example verses are Micah 7:18-19, Isaiah 43:25, Luke 7:47-48, Acts 3:19, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:10, 1 John 2:2, Colossians 2:13 and many more. Those are just a few examples. When Jesus healed the sick and did many miracles he said to the sinners "your sins are forgiven." He did not say "your past sins are forgiven but you have to keep repenting of them and constantly confess your sins to God in order to have your future sins forgiven..." NO he said your sins are forgiven past, present, and future.

So what about 1 John 1:9 then if our sins are completely forgiven? See:

Why do we need to confess our sins if they have already been forgiven (1 John 1:9)? | GotQuestions.org for the answer.
Faith isn't a license to keep sinning, or an excuse from our obligation to be righteous/obedient. In fact, faith provides the authentic means to that true righteousness. But if we walk away from God again, we walk away from the only partnership that can hope to keep us aligned with His will, walking in His ways. The wages of sin is still death but the one who is born again, who lives in the Spirit, now has the ability to overcome.

"Do not be deceived: God is not to be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return. The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life." Gal 6:7-8

"Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and every expression of evil, and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save your souls. Be doers of the word, and not hearers only. Otherwise, you are deceiving yourselves. For anyone who hears the word but does not carry it out is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror, and after observing himself goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the one who looks intently into the perfect law of freedom, and continues to do so—not being a forgetful hearer, but an effective doer—he will be blessed in what he does." James 1:21-25
 
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When Christ walked this earth... yeah He had not died yet. Even then no one was force to sin. Its clear to me when we sin we give the enemy the right to come and do things. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.

"Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God" "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

Paul said "Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me." Shall we keep on sinning because were not under the law but grace? God for bid. So what is born of God that cannot sin? Whats the new man? What is YOU that sits in heavenly places? That can boldly come before the throne of God? Can't be this flesh. This the meat.

You seems so many times this kind of thread starts I always read how it some how turns in to "woot we can freely sin now" Or like one said "license to sin" <---yet I never read the post of ANYONE talking like that. Are you saved moment by moment? Is that really how this works? God based salvation on this flesh? You know feelings alone are up and down all the time. We sin goof up miss it so man times. At what moment were you REALLY saved verses now?

Makes you wonder how any one was save BEFORE the NT huh. All they had was some that heard Christs words and others that hear it from so and so said they heard Christ say believe He was of God and you live forever. No "Over come or your lost".. No Heb to 1st John or the like to quote :)

Behold the lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world. SIN.. sins? Christ goes so the sweet sweet Holy Spirit can come. Whats His job? Convict the world of sins or sin? Of sin.. what sin? They the world do not know believe on Christ. So much of this is meat.
 
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I see this way too much here on CF. A lot of people claiming that once we accept Christ only our past sins are forgiven and various other things. If this is the case why does the bible teach the opposite?

Complete atonement is taught throught the Bible. Some example verses are Micah 7:18-19, Isaiah 43:25, Luke 7:47-48, Acts 3:19, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:10, 1 John 2:2, Colossians 2:13 and many more. Those are just a few examples. When Jesus healed the sick and did many miracles he said to the sinners "your sins are forgiven." He did not say "your past sins are forgiven but you have to keep repenting of them and constantly confess your sins to God in order to have your future sins forgiven..." NO he said your sins are forgiven past, present, and future.

So what about 1 John 1:9 then if our sins are completely forgiven? See:

Why do we need to confess our sins if they have already been forgiven (1 John 1:9)? | GotQuestions.org for the answer.
Is the sin of unbelief forgiven in advance?
 
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I see this way too much here on CF. A lot of people claiming that once we accept Christ only our past sins are forgiven and various other things. If this is the case why does the bible teach the opposite?

Complete atonement is taught throught the Bible. Some example verses are Micah 7:18-19, Isaiah 43:25, Luke 7:47-48, Acts 3:19, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:10, 1 John 2:2, Colossians 2:13 and many more. Those are just a few examples. When Jesus healed the sick and did many miracles he said to the sinners "your sins are forgiven." He did not say "your past sins are forgiven but you have to keep repenting of them and constantly confess your sins to God in order to have your future sins forgiven..." NO he said your sins are forgiven past, present, and future.

So what about 1 John 1:9 then if our sins are completely forgiven? See:

Why do we need to confess our sins if they have already been forgiven (1 John 1:9)? | GotQuestions.org for the answer.

Well, GotQuestions did not even offer any context for 1 John 1:9. They just stated their opinion as it being fact that it is dealing with relationship forgiveness (When this is clearly not the case according to the context).

1 John 1:9 is dealing with salvation because 1 John 1:7 says if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin. Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy. We learn in Psalms 51, that David's confession dealt with salvation (Psalms 51:12). 1 John 3:15 says that whoever hates his brother is like a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. This relates to John statement involving walking in the light in 1 John 1:7. For John defines that walking in the light is loving your brother in 1 John 2:9-11 by using other words.

We know future sin is also not forgiven a person because Jesus says to a man that he healed, "Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." (John 5:14).

Why would Jesus say to the man "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." if his future sin was forgiven him?

If all future sin is forgiven, then Ananias and Sapphira could not be condemned for their sin of lying to the Holy Ghost (Acts of the Apostles 5:1-11). They were instantly killed for lying to God. A great fear came upon the church in hearing about this event. If you were to put on your detective cap for a moment, and think like a detective, fear does not make any sense in the "all your future sin is forgiven type belief here." For if Ananias and Sapphira were fakes and the church knew it, they would not be in great fear over what happened to them. They would be unbelievers that deserved what they got. If Ananias and Sapphira were saved believers, then the emotion of fear would not make any sense. Why would you fear for the lives of Christians who are safely in the arms of Jesus? It doesn't add up. The only reason why the church had great fear over their deaths is if the same thing could happen to them if they are not careful to guard against sin in their own lives. But if future sin is forgiven a person, there would be no need to fear God.

Job 28:28 says, "Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding." Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine according to godliness, they are proud and they know nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). Paul says if you live after the flesh, you will die, but if you put to death the deeds of the body by the Spirit, you will live (Romans 8:13). Doesn't sound like future sin is forgiven a person. For Hebrews 5:9 essentially says that Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him.

Furthermore, Hebrews 10:26 says if we willfully sin after we received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin. Again, it doesn't sound like future sin is forgiven a person here.

Romans 11:21-22 essentially says we have to continue in the Lord's goodness, otherwise we can be cut off just like the Jews. If future sin is forgiven us, then there would be no way for us to be cut off like the Jews were.

In the Parable of the Prodigal Son, we learn that when the son came back home from a life of living in sin, and he repented (sought forgiveness with his father), his father said that he was "dead" and is "alive again" two times. His father also said that he was "lost" and now he is "found." This means that he was "dead spiritually" and he now is "alive again spiritually." For generally when we speak about one being lost in the Bible, it is dealing with a person who is not saved. The son was once alive, he died spiritually by living in sin, and he became alive again through repentance. James 5:19-20 also confirms this truth, as well.

So yeah, the Bible does not teach future sin is forgiven you.
If such were the case, then the sin of Adam and Eve would not effect the whole of humanity whereby we would need a Savior.

But the devil still pushes the same lie back in the Garden.
He pushes the belief that a person will not die if they sin (Just like with Eve).
Ye shall not surely die." (Genesis 3:4).
 
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I see this way too much here on CF. A lot of people claiming that once we accept Christ only our past sins are forgiven and various other things. If this is the case why does the bible teach the opposite?

Complete atonement is taught throught the Bible. Some example verses are Micah 7:18-19, Isaiah 43:25, Luke 7:47-48, Acts 3:19, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:10, 1 John 2:2, Colossians 2:13 and many more. Those are just a few examples. When Jesus healed the sick and did many miracles he said to the sinners "your sins are forgiven." He did not say "your past sins are forgiven but you have to keep repenting of them and constantly confess your sins to God in order to have your future sins forgiven..." NO he said your sins are forgiven past, present, and future.

So what about 1 John 1:9 then if our sins are completely forgiven? See:

Why do we need to confess our sins if they have already been forgiven (1 John 1:9)? | GotQuestions.org for the answer.

Also, 1 John 5:12 says, He that has the Son has life and He that does not have the Son does not have life.

Meaning, if a person is out of fellowship with the Son, they do not have life. Life can only be found in the Son. For Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.
 
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I see this way too much here on CF. A lot of people claiming that once we accept Christ only our past sins are forgiven and various other things. If this is the case why does the bible teach the opposite?

Complete atonement is taught throught the Bible. Some example verses are Micah 7:18-19, Isaiah 43:25, Luke 7:47-48, Acts 3:19, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:10, 1 John 2:2, Colossians 2:13 and many more. Those are just a few examples. When Jesus healed the sick and did many miracles he said to the sinners "your sins are forgiven." He did not say "your past sins are forgiven but you have to keep repenting of them and constantly confess your sins to God in order to have your future sins forgiven..." NO he said your sins are forgiven past, present, and future.

So what about 1 John 1:9 then if our sins are completely forgiven? See:

Why do we need to confess our sins if they have already been forgiven (1 John 1:9)? | GotQuestions.org for the answer.

Also, the word "repent" is another way of saying "seek forgiveness with God."
Jesus says, "repent or perish." (Luke 13:3).

How do we know the word "repent" means to "seek forgiveness with God"?
Check out my next post.
 
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A Biblical Case For Repentance:

At the heart, I believe the Bible teaches that repentance means, "Asking God for forgiveness" (Which of course naturally then leads to the "fruits of repentance", i.e. obedience to the Lord):

Important Note: While I may believe "Repentance" does involve to a certain degree a "change of mind" (like a person changing their mind about their old life of sin), I do not think "Repentance" exclusively means a “change of mind.”

Anyways, here are my ten points using Scripture showing that "repentance" means "asking God for forgiveness of sin."

#1. Acts 2:38,
The New Living Translation says in Acts 2:38 to "repent of your sins."
Douay Reheims says in Acts 2:38 to "Do penance."
New Life Version says in Acts 2:38 to "Be sorry for your sins"

#2. Luke 17:3 says, "Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him." This doesn't make any sense if "repent" means believe in Jesus (as some teach) or to have a change of mind about sin (as others teach) or to exclusively forsake sin. Yes, we are to forsake sin as a part of repentance but that comes later after repentance (Which is to ask God for forgiveness of our sin). For how can we reconcile with a brother if we do not say we are sorry vs. just going on about life as if we did nothing wrong?

#3. Jesus said in Matthew 12:41 that the Ninevites will rise up in Judgment against this generation because they repented at the preaching of Jonah. If you were to turn to Jonah chapter 3, you would be able to see in Jonah 3:6-10 that the King of the Ninevites had told his people to:

(a) Cry out to God (i.e. Repentance) (See Jonah 3:8).
(b) Turn from their sins or evil ways (i.e. The Natural Fruits of Repentance).​

#4. Matthew 3:6 (which then lines up with Matthew 3:8). Also, in Mark 1:4-5, it says John preached the "baptism of repentance" for the remission of sins (verse 4), and it then defines this "baptism of repentance" by saying they confessed their sins when they were baptized (verse 5).

#5. We see in Acts of the Apostles 8:22 a clear example of Peter telling Simon to "repent" of his wickedness in trying to pay for the Holy Spirit. Peter is telling Simon to make a prayer towards God. For Peter says that he should pray that God might forgive him. In other words, Peter is telling Simon to repent of a one time event of wickedness by way of prayer to GOD. This only makes sense if "repent" means to "ask for forgiveness."

#6. Ezekiel 14:6 says,
"Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;" Repent makes the most sense here if a person is asking God for forgiveness by way of prayer instead of a person just believing in God. Naturally a person believes in God as their Savior if they are planning on forsaking their idols.

#7. We see repentance is the topic of discussion in Luke 15 (Luke 15:6) (Luke 15:10); This is then followed up by the "Parable of the Prodigal Son" with the son desiring to be reconciled with his father. We learn the WAY the Prodigal Son desired to be reconciled with his father when he said,

"I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee, And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants." (Luke 15:18-19).

In other words, the Prodigal Son was seeking forgiveness. This ties into the point of repentance in Luke 15:6 and Luke 15:10.

#8. Luke 10:13 says,
"Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes." This rules out the theory that repentance is exclusively forsaking sin. Granted, forsaking sin always follow true repentance (Asking God for forgiveness of one's sins) but forsaking sin is not repentance. The word "repented" here is describing a one time event because they "repented", sitting in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:6 we learn that the King of Nineveh sat in sackcloth and ashes. In Jonah 3:8, the King of Nineveh tells people to put on sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God (i.e. repentance): and then turn from their evil way (i.e. the fruits of repentance).

#9. John the Baptist says we are to bring forth fruits worthy of repentance (Luke 3:8). Fruits are deeds (or obedience to God). How can repentance be the same thing as the fruit? Is the fruit the same thing as the tree?

#10. Jeremiah 8:6 says, "I hearkened and heard, but they spake not aright: no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course, as the horse rusheth into the battle." Here we see the word "repented of wickedness" tied with the words, "What have I done?" This is an acknowledgement of one's sin to God as a part of asking His forgiveness.


Notable Additional Verses that Deal with Repentance
(But They Do Not Use The Word "Repent" or "Repentance"):


"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13).

13 "And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted. (Luke 18:13-14).

Proverbs 28:13 says whosoever confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.
 
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My point here is to show that seeking forgiveness with God deals with salvation (Which means that 1 John 1:9 is dealing with salvation), which means that future sin is not forgiven a person. A person has to confess of sin to be forgiven of sin.
 
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I see this way too much here on CF. A lot of people claiming that once we accept Christ only our past sins are forgiven and various other things. If this is the case why does the bible teach the opposite?

Complete atonement is taught throught the Bible. Some example verses are Micah 7:18-19, Isaiah 43:25, Luke 7:47-48, Acts 3:19, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, Hebrews 10:10, 1 John 2:2, Colossians 2:13 and many more. Those are just a few examples. When Jesus healed the sick and did many miracles he said to the sinners "your sins are forgiven." He did not say "your past sins are forgiven but you have to keep repenting of them and constantly confess your sins to God in order to have your future sins forgiven..." NO he said your sins are forgiven past, present, and future.

So what about 1 John 1:9 then if our sins are completely forgiven? See:

Why do we need to confess our sins if they have already been forgiven (1 John 1:9)? | GotQuestions.org for the answer.

You cannot forgive sins that have not taken place, and there is no fate, sin is freely chosen. If we are given a pass to behave as we like with no consequences, that is a denial of holiness, love and truth, denying the power of Christ to overcome the passions that lead us to sin.

Jesus commits to protect us and guide us through. If one is part of the elect you listen to Jesus and follow His ways because they are embedded in ones heart.
 
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