Satanic Temple head: ‘More than 50% of our membership is LGBTQ’

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1 Corinthians 6: NASB

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.
 
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The Gospel is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes. The Gospel transforms lives.

So why do you believe it is is our obligation to point out the perceived sins of others and make sure they are appropriately rebuked and then cast out if they don't immediately repent to our personal liking? Is God somehow deficient in that area and needs us to make sure he's doing the job in the way we believe to be appropriate?
 
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So why do you believe it is is our obligation to point out the perceived sins of others and make sure they are appropriately rebuked and then cast out if they don't immediately repent to our personal liking? Is God somehow deficient in that area and needs us to make sure he's doing the job in the way we believe to be appropriate?
With the case I speak of, no one has to point out a thing.

A same sex couple wants to become full members of a church and they proclaim their relationship is loving so can’t be sinful. The pastor counsels them on the sanctity of marriage, that God’s design for marriage is between one man and one woman and that the church statement of faith reflects such. The pastor offers that the couple is welcome to attend services and small group studies but not communion. That communion is for those who have repented, seeking God’s Grace and seeking to overcome sin by God’s Grace.

The couple states they are not stopping their relationship. The couple storms out never to return.

Was the pastor being unloving by stating the Biblical and church teachings? Do you think offering to keep the couple and their family in contact with the church but not being full members was cruel or loving?

BTW the above is a true story encountered in a close friend’s church.
 
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I for one have no concern for the conservative and evangelical right anti-spiritual judgmentalism, none.

IMO, they have lost the message of Jesus and forgiveness and will leave them to the mercies of Christ.

These people would be best served leaning on the Lord and working out their relationship with Him.
 
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That piece had some good moments.

I have to say in all the churches I’ve been in, and we moved a lot, from Catholic to Baptist to Bible church neither me nor my family were treated poorly. Even in the small rural OK town of 1500 we lived in with 5 churches. Even when they found out we were Yankees from NY.
 
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I for one have no concern for the conservative and evangelical right anti-spiritual judgmentalism, none.

IMO, they have lost the message of Jesus and forgiveness and will leave them to the mercies of Christ.

These people would be best served leaning on the Lord and working out their relationship with Him.
 
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I for one have no concern for the conservative and evangelical right anti-spiritual judgmentalism, none.

IMO, they have lost the message of Jesus and forgiveness and will leave them to the mercies of Christ.

These people would be best served leaning on the Lord and working out their relationship with Him.
It’s seems that you are promoting that forgiveness isn’t necessary.
 
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The truth we are to present is that Christ died for them while they were yet sinners and offers them a *free* gift of grace to put their trust in him. Then HE through the Holy Spirit will start a process and convict them of any sin. That's not our job. Our job is to love them and be patient and kind while HE does the work. And it's certainly not our commission to drive people away and put up stumbling blocks and obstacles before them.

And when I say "them" it's really all of us.

Read 1 Corinthians 5. Paul confronted them about specific sins and pointed out that such things should not be going on. He didn't just let them do things and leave it to the Lord to convict them. Are we to do any less if we have Christian churches actually endorsing sinful behavior such as homosexual marriage? Are we to just stay silent about it, lest we "push someone away" or offend them?
 
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Read it again, please. It is to the members of the flock not the outsiders.

5 It is actually reported that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even among the Gentiles, that one [of you] hath his father's wife.

2 And ye are puffed up, and did not rather mourn, that he that had done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, being absent in body but present in spirit, have already as though I were present judged him that hath so wrought this thing, 4 in the name of our Lord Jesus, ye being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, [even] Christ: 8 wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote unto you in my epistle to have no company with fornicators; 10 not at all [meaning] with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world: 11 but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat.
 
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Read it again, please. It is to the members of the flock not the outsiders.

5 It is actually reported that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even among the Gentiles, that one [of you] hath his father's wife.

2 And ye are puffed up, and did not rather mourn, that he that had done this deed might be taken away from among you.

3 For I verily, being absent in body but present in spirit, have already as though I were present judged him that hath so wrought this thing, 4 in the name of our Lord Jesus, ye being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 to deliver such a one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

7 Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, [even] Christ: 8 wherefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

9 I wrote unto you in my epistle to have no company with fornicators; 10 not at all [meaning] with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world: 11 but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no, not to eat.
Indeed and what did Paul instruct?
 
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It seems that I don''t think evangelicals' forgiveness is necessary.

We all have plenty in our own lives than to be worried about correcting others.

Lead by your example, brother.
This is a discussion thread. I thought I’d point this out first.

But if you think homosexuals should be part of a church without repentance, then obviously forgiveness isn’t necessary.
 
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I did not ask you what I think.

The judgmentalism in this thread is outside of our individual remits, imo.

Paul was correcting the Corinthian flock.

And anyone who speaks out against homosexual marriage being endorsed by churches and denominations is dealing with those inside the church.
But even if we let our views be known outside the church, it is to let those outside know what our stance is. As an example, this could apply when we are voting for politicians who say they support Christian views.
 
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We have every right to use the Spirit, the scriptures, and our common sense to make decisions such as who to vote for.

But to condemn or to judge is not our remit.
You should stop judging then.
 
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I did not ask you what I think.

The judgmentalism in this thread is outside of our individual remits, imo.

Paul was correcting the Corinthian flock.
I believe you are being judgmental towards a straw man. You put it up and knocked it down a few times.

It’s ok...perhaps the straw man forgives?
 
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No true Scotsman arguments because people don’t want to admit The Klan and other racist segregationists have always been bible thumping Christians in the USA . They used to refer to that verse about the children of Ham being drawers of water and hewers of wood to justify denying Blacks in the South a decent education or the right to vote My southern relatives spent a lot of time fighting for their civil rights against them

That is a statement no based in fact or logic Please do some reading on the subject. KKK is real.

The No Scotsman Logical Fallacy is out in force because it is a fact that the KKK has been allied with Christianity from the beginning.

You guys need to learn how to designate logical fallacies accurately before repeating the name of one every time you see something remotely resembling its form.

No true Scotsman fallacy only applies when a person uses a subjective definition to supplant an objective one to favour a conclusion. For example, "No true Scotsman" is fallacious if you deny a man is a Scotsman because he drinks a brand of alcohol not partisan to Scotsman in general. However, saying a man who is not a Scotsman is no true Scotsman is not a fallacy but a matter of superficially obvious fact.

"Christian" has an ontological status defined by the Scriptures that can not be violated without exposing that the person is, in fact, no true Christian. For a few examples, no true Christian can deny Jesus came in the flesh (1 John 4:1-3); no true Christian can have had true faith and then lost it (1 John 2:19); no true Christian can actively hate brothers in Christ (1 John 3:14-15); no true Christian can make a practice of sin (1 John 3:5-10).

So to sustain that the KKK is saturated with Christians you would have to be willingly ignorant and persist in using a definition of Christian that the Bible does not provide. Therefore "Christian" by your use would be just an arrangement of letters identical to one contained in an English translation of a Bible, to designate a religious group that associates itself, inaccurately, with the group described by the word meaning something entirely different in a Biblical context.
 
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