High School Bans Student After He Goes To Shooting Range With His Mom, Snapchat Post

Maria Billingsley · Aug 31, 2019

JCFantasy23 said:
16-year-old Nathan Myers and his mother Justine Myers went to a shooting range on Tuesday, a moment that Nathan celebrated by posting a video on Snapchat showing some of the guns they were going to bring, including hand guns and an AR-15. The caption for the post read, "Finna be lit," which he explained to Complete Colorado is just slang used among his peers meaning he's "excited" about the chance to go to the range with his mom, who he hadn't seen in a few weeks due to his parents being separated.

When they returned from shooting, Justine learned from messages left by Nathan's father that police officers had come to the house asking about his initial Snapchat post. "His father told them he was out shooting with me, I am an avid shooter," Justine explained. "So, the officers said he wasn't in trouble and left."

Though the family thought the issue was settled, the next morning they were informed by the school district that Nathan could not return to classes.

"I called to ask why I couldn't go, and they said it was a safety concern because the student who reported it was scared I was going to shoot up the school," Nathan said.

The Myers say Nathan has never had any conflict with another student, enjoys a large circle of friends, and has no criminal record.

Complete Colorado reached out to Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams to get his reaction to the situation. He said he thought it just seemed like a kid excited to go to a firing range. When he learned about the school district's response, he expressed disbelief.

"This is exactly the mechanics of the Red Flag Law," Reams told the outlet. "Someone filed an anonymous complaint, without the other person knowing it was being filed, but instead of him being deprived of his Second Amendment rights, he’s being deprived of his ability to go to school without due process."

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High School Bans Student After He Goes To Shooting Range With His Mom, Snapchat Post

It seems a bit excessive on one hand but on the other we live in a time where mass shootings in schools are greatly feared. I would also be frightened by the student who displayed guns and quoted some code that no one would understand other than his social circle. The video says nothing about a family event. Let this be a lesson to others, guns are to be taken seriously and if you are not mature enough to respect that responsibility, then you are not mature enough to shoot it.

hedrick · Aug 31, 2019

This was not a red flag law. This was a school panicking. Red flag laws allow removal of firearms from someone by a court order, when there's reason to think the person has a mental condition or for other reasons might be a danger to others. Nothing about banning them from school, nor about taking action without a court order.

RDKirk · Aug 31, 2019

Maria Billingsley said:
It seems a bit excessive on one hand but on the other we live in a time where mass shootings in schools are greatly feared. I would also be frightened by the student who displayed guns and quoted some code that no one would understand other than his social circle. The video says nothing about a family event. Let this be a lesson to others, guns are to be taken seriously and if you are not mature enough to respect that responsibility, then you are not mature enough to shoot it.

I disagree. This is overreaction by the school.

The student didn't use "code," he used teen slang in communication with other teens, and it's pretty darned old teen slang.

I understood the use of "it's gonna be lit" five years ago--and I'm an old man. I have grandchildren his age.

The school's first reaction should not have been to advise the parents bluntly and abruptly that the child could not return to the school, the first reaction should have been a call for consultation along with an explanation of their concern.

And that only if for some reason they hadn't already gotten the report from the police that there was no problem.

Maria Billingsley · Aug 31, 2019

RDKirk said:
I disagree. This is overreaction by the school.

The student didn't use "code," he used teen slang in communication with other teens, and it's pretty darned old teen slang.

I understood the use of "it's gonna be lit" five years ago--and I'm an old man. I have grandchildren his age.

The school's first reaction should not have been to advise the parents bluntly and abruptly that the child could not return to the school, the first reaction should have been a call for consultation along with an explanation of their concern.

And that only if for some reason they hadn't already gotten the report from the police that there was no problem.

Not every teen is privy to slang words especially if a teen is a migrant.

RDKirk · Aug 31, 2019

Maria Billingsley said:
Not every teen is privy to slang words especially if a teen is a migrant.

But did he send his Instagram to any teens outside his own group of friends? I don't think he sent it to strangers.

Now, we do know, of course, that for some reason teenagers never seem to realize that their social media communiques do not remain within their own circle of friends, but his intent was to send the message to the kids he knew--kids who used the same slang he uses.

But the issue is not the kid, the issue is the adults. After all is said and done, the onus of action is upon adults, and adults who are in charge of government operations should operate rationally.

The rational thing to do would have been for school officials to contact the parents quickly and openly about their concerns. Communication.

Aldebaran · Aug 31, 2019

RaymondG said:
I research things before proceeding.... I was referring to the success rate of others....many of whom say they had no reasons for being denied, yet get denied. Where I live, it cost 600 just to start the process... and a year later you get a declined or approval letter......after meetings with POs and having them contact employers and co-workers, 3 references etc.. I guess there are many people that can say the wrong thing that would get you declined as well..... And some may think it not even worth the fuss...and the loss of 600 is not pocket change.

You can appeal, which has a higher success rate of approval....but again this is more expensive than the initial process, and non of it refundable...... and all so that I can shoot a piece of paper and feel good if I hit the center? Maybe a nerf gun is a safer bet....

Well, if you want to own a gun, I've got good news for you. What you are referring to as costing $600 to start the process isn't for owning a firearm. You're talking about applying for an FFL, which is a Federal Firearms License. That's what a person needs in order to be a gun dealer, not an owner. To be an owner, you don't pay anything but a background check fee. In fact, where I live, which is Wisconsin, the background check fee for buying a handgun is $15, and there's a 2 day waiting period. For long guns, there is no fee for the background check, and no waiting period.

RaymondG · Aug 31, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Well, if you want to own a gun, I've got good news for you. What you are referring to as costing $600 to start the process isn't for owning a firearm. You're talking about applying for an FFL, which is a Federal Firearms License. That's what a person needs in order to be a gun dealer, not an owner. To be an owner, you don't pay anything but a background check fee. In fact, where I live, which is Wisconsin, the background check fee for buying a handgun is $15, and there's a 2 day waiting period. For long guns, there is no fee for the background check, and no waiting period.

Do you assume that no one but you knows how to research? Or that laws in your state apply to all state? Just google the pricing of permits per state....or hardest states to get permits..... you can assume that I am on the top of both list.

Aldebaran · Aug 31, 2019

RaymondG said:
Do you assume that no one but you knows how to research? Or that laws in your state apply to all state? Just google the pricing of permits per state....or hardest states to get permits..... you can assume that I am on the top of both list.

What state do you live in? That would speed up my research. If there's a state that requires anyone to spend $600 to apply to even own a gun, I'd be shocked.

RaymondG · Aug 31, 2019

Aldebaran said:
What state do you live in? That would speed up my research. If there's a state that requires anyone to spend $600 to apply to even own a gun, I'd be shocked.

It's ok, I have no problem with you believing that, in every state and city, the license fee is $15 and wait period is two days....and that all the info I gave came from my imagination.

Aldebaran · Aug 31, 2019

RaymondG said:
It's ok, I have no problem with you believing that, in every state and city, the license fee is $15 and wait period is two days....and that all the info I gave came from my imagination.

There's no need to get snarky! I simply asked you what state you live in. I wanted to look up the laws of that state and see if it costs $$600 to get a permit to purchase a firearm. I've never heard of anywhere that had laws like that and wanted to see for myself. I searched on Google for such a thing and didn't find anything like what you're claiming.

RaymondG · Aug 31, 2019

Aldebaran said:
There's no need to get snarky! I simply asked you what state you live in. I wanted to look up the laws of that state and see if it costs $$600 to get a permit to purchase a firearm. I've never heard of anywhere that had laws like that and wanted to see for myself. I searched on Google for such a thing and didn't find anything like what you're claiming.

This is a little old, and prices most likely have gone up since.....but it will give an idea of the difference per state....taxes are not included in these numbers..... Look at a few of the states deemed high in gun crimes.:

STATE COMPARISON OF GUN PERMIT FEES

Maria Billingsley · Aug 31, 2019

RDKirk said:
But did he send his Instagram to any teens outside his own group of friends? I don't think he sent it to strangers.

Now, we do know, of course, that for some reason teenagers never seem to realize that their social media communiques do not remain within their own circle of friends, but his intent was to send the message to the kids he knew--kids who used the same slang he uses.

But the issue is not the kid, the issue is the adults. After all is said and done, the onus of action is upon adults, and adults who are in charge of government operations should operate rationally.

The rational thing to do would have been for school officials to contact the parents quickly and openly about their concerns. Communication.

The rational thing to do is teach your child that social media can lead to social disgrace.

Halbhh · Aug 31, 2019

MournfulWatcher said:
First, drones are not objects we use to protect our well being or to keep the government from oppressing us.

Second, I didn't say no regulation at all. We already have appropriate laws regulating gun usage and permits (except for laws related to gunshows, those need to be fixed).

We're still talking about a kid who was using actual safe gun practices that everyone says gun owners should be doing, and he still got in trouble for it. So what exactly is your quarell with this boy and his mom? They're following all the right procedures and did the right things.

As above, I thought the boy should not have been kept out. Perhaps I should repeat that with every post.

The separate other issue: Americans are overwhelmingly in support of such as red flag laws. If the NRA prevents those, legislators voting against what most voters want may get decreased, no matter how much money the NRA spends.

MournfulWatcher · Aug 31, 2019

Halbhh said:
As above, I thought the boy should not have been kept out. Perhaps I should repeat that with every post.

The separate other issue: Americans are overwhelmingly in support of such as red flag laws. If the NRA prevents those, legislators voting against what most voters want may get decreased, no matter how much money the NRA spends.

I don't really care about what the NRA thinks tbh. I think red flag laws give the government too much power.

hedrick · Aug 31, 2019

MournfulWatcher said:
I don't really care about the NRA thinks tbh. I think red flag laws give the government too much power.

You'd better care. Republican legislators are under their control.

Aldebaran · Aug 31, 2019

RaymondG said:
This is a little old, and prices most likely have gone up since.....but it will give an idea of the difference per state....taxes are not included in these numbers..... Look at a few of the states deemed high in gun crimes.:

STATE COMPARISON OF GUN PERMIT FEES

Ok, the one that stands out the most of the locations listed would be New York City. It's far higher than any other location. It appears that the cost includes permission to not only purchase a handgun, but also to carry it. If I were a NYC resident, I'd try buying outside the city. It's no more than $10 in the State of NY outside the city. Those high costs within NYC aren't there by accident. It's a way of taxing people out of their 2nd Amendment rights.

MournfulWatcher · Aug 31, 2019

Cimorene · Aug 31, 2019

I can 100% understand why the student who reported it was scared he was going to shoot up the school. Maybe older ppl don't get it as much but the whole time I lived in America all schools there made us do drills to prepare for a shooting. There was a shooting at my sister's school. We lived in a really nice area that had felt safe until then. My sister had such massive NONSTOP anxiety following it was one of the reasons we moved to Canada.

Literally while I'm writing this it's all over the news about the mass shooting in Texas.

Not saying the kid should be forever banned but I get wanting to use a lot of caution.

S.O.J.I.A. · Aug 31, 2019

they pick on a kid with no record of wrongdoing or nefarious behavior and ignore the kids with all sorts problems and incidences leading up to finally doing something.

keystone cops...

Cimorene · Aug 31, 2019

THE W said:
they pick on a kid with no record of wrongdoing or nefarious behavior and ignore the kids with all sorts problems and incidences leading up to finally doing something.

keystone cops...

The kid who shot up my sister's school had never had any record of any problems b4 he shot up the school. Everybody had liked him b4 then. He was nice. He was a good athlete. He was super popular. He'd just been voted as the freshman class homecoming Prince. It's like the boy version of being homecoming queen. It's a popularity contest & he literally won it.
He murdered 4 students & then he shot himself.

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