Actually, the term derives from the protest, in the late 1520s, by Lutherans against a political decision made by the Holy Roman Emperor not to officially recognize the Lutherans. It was not about protesting against Catholicism, the Pope, or "tradition/doctrine."Protestant is the original term for "protesting Catholic" - Jerome of Prague , Calvin, Wycliffe, Huss, Luther etc were all cradle Catholics trained by the Catholic church - not protestants. They individually started "protests" when they happen to come across some tradition/doctrine that was found to be refuted by the Bible.
Hi. I grew up in a Catholic family, lived an atheist life of sin and returned to God through Catholicism. I knew nothing about other denominations.
My big issue was with Marion devotion, my parents being Portuguese are devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. But when I inquired about it in a Catholic forum I was labelled a Protestant.
"What is that?" So I looked into it. I always thought that Catholics where the original religion which held the bible sacred and then the denominations split off with new books, dogmas and doctrines. I was shocked to learn that its the Catholics that have a heap of other stuff besides the bible.
I learnt about "sola scripture" and that the protestants adhere to the bible and so began to wonder if I was even a Catholic anymore or a Protestant now as I believe in sola scripture and not the opportunity for humans to add doctrines to it without any bible foundation.
So now I"m surprised to learn that there are female priests in the Protestant priesthood.
"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Timothy 2:11-14 ESV
Scripture is quite clear on that topic, what happened "sola scripture" in this case?
Hi. I grew up in a Catholic family, lived an atheist life of sin and returned to God through Catholicism. I knew nothing about other denominations.
My big issue was with Marion devotion, my parents being Portuguese are devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. But when I inquired about it in a Catholic forum I was labelled a Protestant.
"What is that?" So I looked into it. I always thought that Catholics where the original religion which held the bible sacred and then the denominations split off with new books, dogmas and doctrines. I was shocked to learn that its the Catholics that have a heap of other stuff besides the bible.
I learnt about "sola scripture" and that the protestants adhere to the bible and so began to wonder if I was even a Catholic anymore or a Protestant now as I believe in sola scripture and not the opportunity for humans to add doctrines to it without any bible foundation.
So now I"m surprised to learn that there are female priests in the Protestant priesthood.
"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Timothy 2:11-14 ESV
Scripture is quite clear on that topic, what happened "sola scripture" in this case?
Actually, the term derives from the protest, in the late 1520s, by Lutherans against a political decision made by the Holy Roman Emperor not to officially recognize the Lutherans. It was not about protesting against Catholicism, the Pope, or "tradition/doctrine."
Nice misrepresentation. How about letting an Orthodox answer that question eh?Much like the Catholic church, but more ceremonial and without a Pope. Not what you are looking for, based upon your original post here.
The Orthodox Church is what the church would have been had Rome never left the fold. Their used to be one democratic Church, five patriarchs all of equal power. Rome, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Constantinople. For 1000 years this system existed, no Papacy, no Roman Catholic corruption. Then Rome decided to part with the rest of the Church for more power and became the RCC. The Orthodox are what remains of the rest of the Church (the other original 4 Patriarchs plus the newer ones). We have not had a doctrinal change in beliefs since the 700sAD- and we believe that we carry the original traditional teachings that the Apostles gave to the early church elders, including the scriptures- which we canonized.How on earth can they possible twist that passage, it's so clear.
Please tell me which churches have not buckled. What's Orthodox like?.
I've only started to learn about all these denominations and their differences and its becoming so overwhelmingly confusing.
The Orthodox Church is what the church would have been had Rome never left the fold. Their used to be one democratic Church, five patriarchs all of equal power. Rome, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Constantinople. For 1000 years this system existed, no Papacy, no Roman Catholic corruption. Then Rome decided to part with the rest of the Church for more power and became the RCC. The Orthodox are what remains of the rest of the Church (the other original 4 Patriarchs plus the newer ones). We have not had a doctrinal change in beliefs since the 700sAD- and we believe that we carry the original traditional teachings that the Apostles gave to the early church elders, including the scriptures- which we canonized.
It is accurate. I'm not saying that there was no corruption or bad things at all before Rome split. Merely that the ability for one bishop to change the church at a whim hadn't had its influence within dogma.That is rather optimistic, I admire the spirit of it.
It is accurate. I'm not saying that there was no corruption or bad things at all before Rome split. Merely that the ability for one bishop to change the church at a whim hadn't had its influence within dogma.
To the OP and to add on what @Albion said that Protestant was a legal term in the Holy Roman Empire from the Diet of Spyre in the 1500s. It had the connotation that entailed certain legal protections. At the time it generally meant Lutheran. Now it means any church body not Roman or Eastern Orthodox. The flip side is that there are non Roman and Orthodox bodies that still consider themselves as catholic meaning universal.Actually, the term derives from the protest, in the late 1520s, by Lutherans against a political decision made by the Holy Roman Emperor not to officially recognize the Lutherans. It was not about protesting against Catholicism, the Pope, or "tradition/doctrine."
I wouldn’t go so far as saying @Albion is giving a misrepresentation. I spent some time in Orthodoxy and I’m not sure I could give a truly accurate description of the differences if I’m honest. The Orthodox do theology different so it’s not just the answers are different it’s also the questions. I hope that makes sense.Nice misrepresentation. How about letting an Orthodox answer that question eh?
The Orthodox Church is what the church would have been had Rome never left the fold. Their used to be one democratic Church, five patriarchs all of equal power. Rome, Antioch, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Constantinople. For 1000 years this system existed, no Papacy, no Roman Catholic corruption. Then Rome decided to part with the rest of the Church for more power and became the RCC. The Orthodox are what remains of the rest of the Church (the other original 4 Patriarchs plus the newer ones). We have not had a doctrinal change in beliefs since the 700sAD- and we believe that we carry the original traditional teachings that the Apostles gave to the early church elders, including the scriptures- which we canonized.
Look East. We are the second largest church in the world yet never talked about. Ask yourself why?
I'm Orthodox. I converted to Orthodoxy from a conservative Lutheran (a type of protestant) group. I had looked at Catholicism and I did not believe it was the Church that Christ established. The Orthodox Church does not have female priests, like some protestant groups do.How on earth can they possible twist that passage, it's so clear.
Please tell me which churches have not buckled. What's Orthodox like?.
I've only started to learn about all these denominations and their differences and its becoming so overwhelmingly confusing.
The Bereans are great. Orthodox Christians do examine the Scriptures to make sure that what St Paul, the Apostles, and their successors (our bishops) say and teach are true. Our services and hymns are filled with Scripture. I was amazed when I started looking at the texts of the services, the prayers, and so on of Orthodoxy - I did not think there would be as much Scripture as there is, but it is truly beautiful and one of my favorite things about Orthodoxy.Persecution, jailing and or killing other Christians for opposing the doctrinal view of an EO leader?
Did that happen?
And do you claim that all doctrines of the EO can be supported sola scriptura? Or are some condemned if using the sola scriptura method of Acts 17:11?
Hi. I grew up in a Catholic family, lived an atheist life of sin and returned to God through Catholicism. I knew nothing about other denominations.
My big issue was with Marion devotion, my parents being Portuguese are devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. But when I inquired about it in a Catholic forum I was labelled a Protestant.
"What is that?" So I looked into it. I always thought that Catholics where the original religion which held the bible sacred and then the denominations split off with new books, dogmas and doctrines. I was shocked to learn that its the Catholics that have a heap of other stuff besides the bible.
I learnt about "sola scripture" and that the protestants adhere to the bible and so began to wonder if I was even a Catholic anymore or a Protestant now as I believe in sola scripture and not the opportunity for humans to add doctrines to it without any bible foundation.
So now I"m surprised to learn that there are female priests in the Protestant priesthood.
"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Timothy 2:11-14 ESV
Scripture is quite clear on that topic, what happened "sola scripture" in this case?
First you have to realize that scripture doesn't and can't claim to be the sum total of the Christian faith. The writings that were accepted and eventually canonized as scripture simple contain no error since as the Church defines them were inspired by.the Holy Spirit.Hi. I grew up in a Catholic family, lived an atheist life of sin and returned to God through Catholicism. I knew nothing about other denominations.
My big issue was with Marion devotion, my parents being Portuguese are devoted to Our Lady of Fatima. But when I inquired about it in a Catholic forum I was labelled a Protestant.
"What is that?" So I looked into it. I always thought that Catholics where the original religion which held the bible sacred and then the denominations split off with new books, dogmas and doctrines. I was shocked to learn that its the Catholics that have a heap of other stuff besides the bible.
I learnt about "sola scripture" and that the protestants adhere to the bible and so began to wonder if I was even a Catholic anymore or a Protestant now as I believe in sola scripture and not the opportunity for humans to add doctrines to it without any bible foundation.
So now I"m surprised to learn that there are female priests in the Protestant priesthood.
"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Timothy 2:11-14 ESV
Scripture is quite clear on that topic, what happened "sola scripture" in this case?
You are talking about Governments not the church. There were never any heresies put down that weren't causing civil strife. Arianism almost brought civil war, monophysitism broke a huge portion of the empire away. These things weren't just arguments like you and me are having. They were civil issues that the governments had to respond to to keep the peace.Persecution, jailing and or killing other Christians for opposing the doctrinal view of an EO leader?
Did that happen?
And do you claim that all doctrines of the EO can be supported sola scriptura? Or are some condemned if using the sola scriptura method of Acts 17:11?
Persecution, jailing and or killing other Christians for opposing the doctrinal view of an EO leader?
Did that happen?
And do you claim that all doctrines of the EO can be supported sola scriptura? Or are some condemned if using the sola scriptura method of Acts 17:11?
I would tweak your response for the OP just a bit. Magisterial Protestants state that scripture is the only infallible rule of faith while your post suggests that in addition to scripture the Church possesses this infallibility as well. Yes?First you have to realize that scripture doesn't and can't claim to be the sum total of the Christian faith. The writings that were accepted and eventually canonized as scripture simple contain no error since as the Church defines them were inspired by.the Holy Spirit.
Protestantism simply is a rejection of Authority. It is the refusal to believe Christ set up an authoritative Church to lead men to Himself. Simply put, I know l better than the Church.
"Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; the woman was deceived and became a transgressor." Timothy 2:11-14 ESV