Who or what is abbadon/apollyon?

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Great topic.

In order to understand we must indeed know the players and where they are presently. Satan like God is a trinity but not Holy Trinity as God Satan is a trinity of evil. In each trinity there is a father, son and spirit. Satan the father is in heaven where he accuses the righteous before God the Father day and night.

Satan the son or anti- Christ is the beast who is king of the Abyss. While Satan the son is being held prisoner waiting for the proper time to be released. God the Son ascended into heaven where He is waiting for God the Father to send Him back for His Bride. We are told the following about these two sons. Of anti-Christ we are told “He was, is not now and will be again.” Of the Christ we are told He was, is and will be again. What this means is anti-Christ like the Christ we’re both in the world. Now anti- Christ is in the prison of the Abyss he is said to not be now. Not being God the persons of Satan cannot be in more than one place at a time but of the Christ we are told He is being God He is omnipresent and therefore still is in this world even if we cannot see at the present. Then we are told both of anti- Christthey will be again. This tells us both anti- Christ have a scheduled return. Satan the son the beast out of the pit will return at the beginning of the Tribulation. It will be just before anti-Christs return the Bride is raptured and she is in heaven preparing herself for her descending for the Lord and the Wedding Supper of the Lamb at the end of the thousand years. That leaves for us the Holy Spirit and the unholy prophet or false prophet. Both are at work in the world in the present age. The Holy Spirit makes Christ and all He is and has done and a number of other similarities in their ministries. Unholy spirit testifies of anti-christ making him known to men and denies the true Christ. The Holy Spirit testifies of the Christ etc.

The time is coming when Christ will defeat anti- Christ, the false prophet and the remains remnant of their 200,000,000 fallen Angel, not Chinese army, the locusts out of the Abyss. After the defeat anti-christ and the false prophet are cast into the Lake of Fire. This is important on a number of levels. Hell we are told was prepared for the devil and his angels. No ordinary man will enter he’ll unto after the GWTJ. This tells us that these two parts are indeed not ordinary men but Satan incarnate. At this time Satan the father brought down from heaven where he accused us before the Father day and night and imprisoned in unbreakable chains where he is held prisoner for a thousand years and he is then set free for a short time where he uses his satanic lies to deceive the nations who are Gog and Magog, not just Russia who following Satan the father come against the unwalled city of Jerusalem and believing her to be defenseless comes to destroy her. But the Messiah Yeshua will be her Wall. Satan the father is defeated and he alone of all who followed him is cast into the Lake of Fire where anti-Christ and the false prophet remain imprisoned during this millennia. Before the GWTJ in the place made for Satan we find Satan before any ordinary man is judged and cast in the lake. Satan the father, Satan the son and Satan unholy spirit the only beings in that lake. Our enemy a trinity of evil not only opposes the Triune God but counterfeits them so extraordinarily he could almost deceive the elect of those days except these things have been made known to us beforehand.
 
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Bryan Huie is a favorite commentator of mine. I especially like his commentary on the parable in Luke 16:
Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary
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That aside, I would say the destroyer is either the Roman Army or Jewish Rebels or Jesus in 70ad..........

Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "a measure of grain/wheat a denari and three measures of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."
[Famine in siege of Jerusalem 70ad]

I have a thread on it here if any are interested.......

Titus sieges Jerusalem on Feast of Passover/Destroyer in Revelation

I looking over the event of Passover in Exodus 12, I noticed the word "destroyer<h7843> used.
I would like to compare that to the word "destroyer<623> used in Revelation 9:11.
First the OT and NT verses along with the Hebrew Greek words used:

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

7843
shachath a primitive root;
to decay, i.e. (causatively) ruin (literally or figuratively):--batter, cast off, corrupt(-er, thing), destroy(-er, -uction), lose, mar, perish, spill, spoiler, X utterly, waste(-r).
שָׁחַת (shachath), occurs 147 times in 136 verses

Exo 12:11
11 ‘And thus you shall eat it: with a belt on your waist, your sandals on your feet, and your staff in your hand. So you shall eat it in haste. It is the LORD’s Passover<6453>.
23 And Yahweh passes<5674> to strike the Egyptians and He sees the blood on the lintel and on two of the jambs and Yahweh passes-over<6452> the portal and not He shall allow the ruiner/destroyer<H07843>/<G1842 oleqreuonta> to come to houses of ye to strike.[Revelation 9:11]
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623. Apolluon active participle of 622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan):--Apollyon.
622. apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
3639. olethros from a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment:--destruction.

The destroyer mentioned in Exodus 12:23 is also mentioned in Revelation 9:11 concerning 1st century Jerusalem:

Revelation 9:11
and they are having of them a king the Messenger of the Abyss, name to him to Hebrew abaddwn <3>, and in the Greecian name is having destroyer/apolluwn<623/622> [Exodus 12:23]
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Was it just coincidence that Titus and the Roman army came upon Jerusalem during the feast of the Passover?

Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterist Eschatology and Preterism
The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM


The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover
; and it is deserving of the very particular attention of the reader, that this was the anniversary of that memorable period in which the Jews crucified their Messiah! At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country, and from distant parts, to keep the festival. How suitable and how kind, then, was the prophetic admonition of our LORD, and how clearly he into futurity when he said "Let not them that are in the countries enter into Jerusalem." Luke xxi. 21.
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Revelation 6:6
And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "a measure of grain/wheat a denari and three measures of barleys a denari,
and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."

............................
 
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In the Book of Enoch, it describes how the whole world had been corrupted through the works taught by Azazel, and God ascribed all sin onto Azazel. In the Bible, Leviticus 16 (where we first see the name Azazel known as the "scapegoat"), the high priest ascribes all sin onto the scapegoat and led out into the wilderness. Interestingly, in the Book of Enoch, Azazel is bound hand and foot and cast into the abyss in an opening in the wilderness. Now, if this were to be the case that all sin is ascribed to Azazel, then it would follow that that the "man of sin" depicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 (which can also be translated as the "man of destruction") is Azazel. And concerning Revelation 9, Abbadon means destruction or ruin or perdition.

So I believe there is a strong prophetic significance within Yom Kippur where the two goats are symbolic of Azazel (the Angel of the Abyss ~ Jude 6) and the End Time Prophet Elijah (the one that will restore all things before the great and terrible Day of the LORD ~ Malachi 4:5) where I can see correlations to Daniel 8 and Daniel 11 and Daniel 7, but I digress.
 
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Abbadon means destruction or ruin or perdition.

So Apollyon is the same being then?

In the Book of Enoch, it describes how the whole world had been corrupted through the works taught by Azazel, and God ascribed all sin onto Azazel.

Why Azazel and not Satan?
 
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So Apollyon is the same being then?



Why Azazel and not Satan?
Yeah, Apollylon and Abaddon are just one of the numerous names given to this angel throughout the Bible. And theologically speaking I can't see how Satan could be the Angel of the Abyss depicted in Revelation 9:11, as this would contradict other scriptures that plainly state that at the moment Satan freely moves throughout this world and the heavenly realms.
 
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Yeah, Apollylon and Abaddon are just one of the numerous names given to this angel throughout the Bible. And theologically speaking I can't see how Satan could be the Angel of the Abyss depicted in Revelation 9:11, as this would contradict other scriptures that plainly state that at the moment Satan freely moves throughout this world and the heavenly realms.

Satan is shown to be a triune counterfeit of the Holy Trinity. Satan is shown in three places in this age. Satan stands before the Father accusing the brethren day and night. Anti-Christ is presently locked in the Abyss waiting to be released. Lastly we have the spirit of anti-Christ at work in the world. Satan is shown to us like this that we might understand this trinity and how it is going to work. As you might expect the most information we are given on this triune Being is anti-Christ. Just as we have the most information on the Christ. Consider what we are told about the Christ and the anti-Christ.

He was, is, and will be again

and

He was, is not now and will be again.

Can you tell which teaching is about The Christ and anti-Christ. Look at how perfect anti-Christ mimics the Christ.What does each statement teach us? We know both were in the World physically. Good reason to think Judas who is called The Son of Perdition not a son of perdition indicating Judas is anti-Christ. Whether anti-Christ is Judas makes no difference in what is being taught about the delusion that is so perfect the Elect could almost be deceived if we had not been told before hand. Anti-Christ we are told is not while the Christ we are told is what are we to learn from this? One important truth is that anti-Christ who was in the world now is not in the world. While Christ we are told is in the world.. The Lord being God is omnipresent and is everywhere always while anti-Christ a created fallen angel is not God and not omnipresent. Each person of the evil trinity must be in their own place because they are not God. Lastly we are told that anti-Christ will be again after not being here prior to that. Anti-Christ is being held a prisoner in the Abyss the tunnel that leads from this world to the Lake of Fire. With him are his fallen angel army that is released at his return and it is going to be a 200,000,000 man army made up of the fallen angels not Chinese soldiers.

Some thoughts thanks for the thread I have high hopes is I did not pick another forum I don't belong in. Waiting nervously
 
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Satan isn't a personal name although we do use it in that way. All the "names" he has are really just descriptions of who he is. The word satan means adversary, devil means accuser, apollyon means destroyer and abaddon means destruction, dragon means a great serpent and serpent is just serpent implying deception and danger. When these are read in context it is always the one we call "Satan". They are not different beings in context.


Barnes:
Whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon - The name Abaddon means literally “destruction,” and is the same as Apollyon.

Clarke:
Abaddon - From ??? abad, he destroyed.
Apollyon - From ap?, intensive, and ?????, to destroy. The meaning is the same both in the Hebrew and Greek.

Gill:
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon; both which signify a "destroyer"



apollyon means destroyer

Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Satan is the thief who wants to destroy just as the word Apollyon means to destroy.

abaddon means destruction

1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here Satan does cause destruction. To destroy or cause destruction is the same concept which is why scholars say the two names have the same meaning.
 
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@Abraxos but why would God ascribe all son to Azazel (and not) Satan, who created the first sin?
The thing is, nowhere in the Bible does it imply that Satan is ascribed all the sins of the world. Satan (Slanderer/Liar) was certainly the first sinner and ultimately deceiving Adam and Eve to bring sin into God's creation, but Azazel multiplied the sins of men bringing about much godlessness and unrighteousness to earth.

Satan is shown to be a triune counterfeit of the Holy Trinity. Satan is shown in three places in this age. Satan stands before the Father accusing the brethren day and night. Anti-Christ is presently locked in the Abyss waiting to be released. Lastly we have the spirit of anti-Christ at work in the world. Satan is shown to us like this that we might understand this trinity and how it is going to work. As you might expect the most information we are given on this triune Being is anti-Christ. Just as we have the most information on the Christ. Consider what we are told about the Christ and the anti-Christ.

He was, is, and will be again

and

He was, is not now and will be again.

Can you tell which teaching is about The Christ and anti-Christ. Look at how perfect anti-Christ mimics the Christ.What does each statement teach us? We know both were in the World physically. Good reason to think Judas who is called The Son of Perdition not a son of perdition indicating Judas is anti-Christ. Whether anti-Christ is Judas makes no difference in what is being taught about the delusion that is so perfect the Elect could almost be deceived if we had not been told before hand. Anti-Christ we are told is not while the Christ we are told is what are we to learn from this? One important truth is that anti-Christ who was in the world now is not in the world. While Christ we are told is in the world.. The Lord being God is omnipresent and is everywhere always while anti-Christ a created fallen angel is not God and not omnipresent. Each person of the evil trinity must be in their own place because they are not God. Lastly we are told that anti-Christ will be again after not being here prior to that. Anti-Christ is being held a prisoner in the Abyss the tunnel that leads from this world to the Lake of Fire. With him are his fallen angel army that is released at his return and it is going to be a 200,000,000 man army made up of the fallen angels not Chinese soldiers.

Some thoughts thanks for the thread I have high hopes is I did not pick another forum I don't belong in. Waiting nervously
It certainly seems to be the case that the Antichrist is the "son of perdition" mentioned in 2 Thess 2:3, and I also believe that the Antichrist and the angel of the abyss are one of the same, and therefore cannot be Satan. In the same chapter of Revelation 9, we have another entity which I believe is Satan. The star that had fallen from heaven who unlocks the Abyss (Rev 9:1-2, Rev 12:7-13), setting free Apollyon and those he is king over.

Much like the relationship between Christ Jesus and God the Father, Apollyon and the Dragon have a similar affiliation. Apollyon is the Antichrist and the dragon is Satan who is worshipped as the counterfeit God by those whose names are not written in the book of life. (Rev 17:8)

Though the spirit of an antichrist is prevalent throughout this world and I agree with most of what you are saying, the Revelation depicting of the beast who is given a mouth to speak blasphemies and make war (Rev 13:5-6), is describing a single entity which I believe is Apollyon, the son of perdition, the beast, The Antichrist made manifest as a physical man on this earth.
 
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2Pe_2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;


Jud_1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

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There are different forms of the word.
Just use a lexicon/concordance and Greek/Hebrew study sites......

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon


The equivalent Hebrew word appears to be:

07843 shachath {shaw-khath'} a primitive root; TWOT - 2370; v
AV - destroy 96, corrupt 22, mar 7, destroyer 3, corrupters 2, waster 2, spoilers 2, battered 1, corruptly 1, misc 11; 147
1) to destroy, corrupt, go to ruin, decay

Reve 9:11
and they are having of them a king the Messenger of the Abyss, name to him to Hebrew abaddwn <3>, and in the Greecian name is having apolluwn <623>

622. apollumi ap-ol'-loo-mee from 575 and the base of 3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.

3639. olethros ol'-eth-ros from a primary ollumi (to destroy; a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment:--destruction.
623. Apolluon ap-ol-loo'-ohn active participle of 622; a destroyer (i.e. Satan):--Apollyon. 624. Apollonia ap-ol-lo-nee'-ah from the pagan deity Apollon (i.e. the sun; from 622); Apollonia, a place in Macedonia:--Apollonia.
684. apoleia ap-o'-li-a from a presumed derivative of 622;
ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal):--damnable(-nation), destruction, die, perdition, X perish, pernicious ways, waste.
4881. sunapollumi soon-ap-ol'-loo-mee from 4862 and 622;
to destroy (middle voice or passively, be slain) in company with:--perish with.

The meaning of “apollumi” in the Synoptic Gospels | Rethinking Hell

One of the key arguments for annihilationism is the fact that the biblical writers frequently claim that those who are not saved in the end will be destroyed. Why this appears to support annihilationism is fairly self-evident. It’s important to stress that this argument does not only rest on the fact that the word “destruction” or “destroy” is used. The biblical writers, like Jesus, sometimes describe destruction without using that specific word. Images of weeds burned up in a furnace or the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah being utterly consumed by fire also serve this purpose. But just now let’s look specifically at the term “destroy.”


It’s common to see those who deny annihilationism claiming that the word “destroy,” when used to refer to the fate of the lost, does not mean destroy in the strong sense of literally kill or wipe out. It means, they claim, something less specific, like “perish,” become “lost,” become “ruined” or something else. Hence, the argument goes, in those texts that refer to final punishment using this term, the meaning is not literal destruction at all, but rather ruination; a state of conscious but miserable existence.

Although the argument ultimately fails, it’s important to note the grain of truth on which it is based. The relevant Greek word for destroy – apollumi – is part of the apoleia word group. It is true that, as Don Carson pointed out, “the apoleia word group has a range of meanings, depending on context.”1 It can be used passively, for example, to refer to a “lost” son or a “lost” coin. It can be used of non-living things like burst wineskins that are “ruined” (although this may not be a good counterexample, because if I was burst like a wineskin I would obviously die in a literal sense). But we should grant the point: The wider word group does have some range of meaning and does not always imply exactly the same thing.

However, once we apply such limiting criteria, what we immediately find is that the range of meaning that was present in the entire apoleia word group is now filtered out entirely, and one clear emphasis of meaning remains. This is because in every single instance of the word apollumi where these criteria are met – The example is in the Synoptic Gospels, the active voice is used and the word clearly refers to the actions of one person or agent against another, the term apollumi – setting aside Matthew 10:28 – always refers to the literal killing of a person, with not a single exception. I will list just seven representative examples, but the reader is encouraged to check this for themselves:

  1. In Matthew 2:13, Herod wants to kill the baby Jesus.
  2. In Matthew 12:14 the Pharisees conspired together about how they might kill Jesus.
  3. In Matthew 21:41 (story of the wicked tenants) the vineyard owner kills the wicked tenants.
  4. In Matthew 27:20, the elders and chief priests urge the people to have Barabbas released and Jesus killed.
  5. In Mark 3:6, the Pharisees plot to kill Jesus.
  6. In Mark 9:22, the parents of a boy with an unclean spirit tell Jesus that the spirit often throws the boy into water or into a fire, trying to kill him.
  7. In Luke 6:9, Jesus asks if it is lawful on the Sabbath to save life or kill.
In each and every other instance where all these criteria are met, the meaning is the same. There literally is no semantic range in these cases. Some claims in biblical interpretation are matters of opinion and open to question, but this is not one of them. This is a feature of the raw data itself – what we think it implies however may be questioned. But at minimum, it is clear that to take a meaning that arises from a significantly different usage of apollumi – a different voice, or a different body of literature, or a different context (e.g. where we are no longer looking at the actions of one person or agent against another), and to insist that we should attribute that meaning to a use of the word that conforms to the pattern described here, at very least requires a very robust defence. The mere fact that the wider apoleia word group is capable of expressing such meanings under different conditions (e.g. ruin, lose etc) cannot be the reason that we should find that meaning in Matthew 10:28, for this would be a perfect example of the illegitimate totality transfer. However theologically inconvenient it may be for defenders of the traditional doctrine of the eternal torments of hell, this is an instance where the exegetical evidence is very heavily against them, and there is no apparent escape route via an appeal to semantics.
 
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Apollyon and Abaddon are one and the same. They are the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17.

Rev. 12 = Satan thee Dragon Beast thus he has CROWNS on the 7 Heads.

Rev. 13 = the Anti-Christ/Man of Sin Beast, thus he has CROWNS on the 10 Horns.

Rev. 17 has NO CROWNS, because he was a Demon Satan placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region thus he was OF THE 7 {of 6 and will be of the Anti-Christ}. He is not a physical being and hes not over Satan thus he has NO CROWNS but is an 8th King because hes over the Bottomless Pit. He was the prince of Persia in Dan. 10 who resisted Micheal for 21 days, God wanted Alexander the Great to win/defeat Persia, Apollyon resisted this move.

When the church was born the Beast received a Mortal Wound, the gates of hell can not defeat the Church, so said Jesus to Peter. Thus God locked Apollyon up in the pit for nigh 2000 years and he will be RELEASED at the 1st Woe. Thus he WAS...........IS NOT.............YET IS.

Apollyon is the Scarlet Colored Beast of Rev. 17. He will kill the Two-witnesses.
 
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