High School Bans Student After He Goes To Shooting Range With His Mom, Snapchat Post

Aldebaran · Aug 30, 2019

RaymondG said:
Pictures of Guns were posted....as well as the shooting of a gun. I think I would need to know the nature of the student before completely understanding the complaint.....was he a bully? was he bullied? has he every gotten in trouble at school? did he hate any teachers?(who hasnt?).

That's not what ended up being done. This was the result of an anonymous complaint where the complainer is safe to complain, but the person being accused gets banned from school pending an investigation. From the article:

"I called to ask why I couldn't go, and they said it was a safety concern because the student who reported it was scared I was going to shoot up the school," Nathan said.

The Myers say Nathan has never had any conflict with another student, enjoys a large circle of friends, and has no criminal record.

The Myers' "threat assessment hearing" with TVSD was scheduled for 10 a.m. Thursday.

Pro-Second Amendment site Rally for Our Rights' Lesley Hollywood reports that she spoke with Justine, "as well as two different attorneys who specialize in Second Amendment issues," and found that the school "is legally within their rights at this time."

"According to the attorneys, the school has a protocol that must be followed when a report of a threat comes in through Safe 2 Tell or other means, even if the report is completely false – and there is nothing parents or students can legally do about it, even with a lawyer," she reports

There you have it! A kid's legal rights to be considered innocent unless proven guilty are now gone due to a Red Flag law.

RaymondG said:
either way, it was not the wisest decision to post these things. I just cant bring myself to dismiss the feelings of those who may have felt scared.

The anonymous person's feelings don't have to be "dismissed". However, feelings of one person should not be grounds for the banning of another from going to school. Don't you agree?

civilwarbuff · Aug 30, 2019

RaymondG said:
And we should take time to understand that others are on different levels than we are own and therefore think twice before letting the public know we will be practicing the use of AR15s before coming to school....

Why?....so someone can relay that info to a criminal who then has the opportunity to pick up some weapons illegaly?....when you go on vacation do you advertise that fact on social media?....

Aldebaran · Aug 30, 2019

RaymondG said:
Consider yourself lucky if you own one......I have never consider it because it is a long expensive process for me which ends in failure most of the time...with no refunds. And just when I was going to try for the permit anyway.....after feeling ok with losing north of 500, those mass shootings happened, further decreasing my odds below the , throwing away money, threshold. But hey, everything happens for a reason right? (I have an interest in archery and target shooting....not protection...just to be clear)

If you've never considered it, then how has it ended in failure most of the time? The only way it could result in failure is if you failed the background check that some people seem to think doesn't exist yet. If you failed it, you only lose the background check fee, which is $15 the last I checked. You don't lose the cost of the gun you were trying to buy.

RaymondG said:
The kid being offended which lead to the suspension.....I dont believe the child will be banned.

Whether banned or suspended, the kid can't go to school until he's been investigated. Guilty until proven innocent based on an anonymous complaint.

civilwarbuff · Aug 30, 2019

RaymondG said:
Pictures of Guns were posted....as well as the shooting of a gun. I think I would need to know the nature of the student before completely understanding the complaint.....was he a bully? was he bullied? has he ever gotten in trouble at school? did he hate any teachers?(who hasnt?).

either way, it was not the wisest decision to post these things. I just cant bring myself to dismiss the feelings of those who may have felt scared.

you tube better get rid of their westerns....showing and shooting of guns, oh my!!!!!!!!!!!!!

renniks · Aug 30, 2019

Halbhh said:
I grew up with so many guns we could not fit them all inside our large 6 foot tall by 4 foot gun case (which also had drawers on bottom). Some got stored even in the attic. I was already a sorta-ok shot at age 6-7, able to hit a narrow glass bottle at like 6-8 feet away with a .22 pistol (that's not quite as easy as it sounds, for a beginner at least).

Right? So, an AR-15, which is a lightweight weapon of war really, I don't feel comfortable with the idea that a teenager down the street, close by, has one, with several 30-round clips.

Nope. It's not ok with me.

I don't mind if they have 25 guns. I don't think it's fine to have one that can only be used fully to it's design in an all-out war situation or for a mass murder.

You can use any gun for Mass murder. Or a bomb or gasoline or car or an airplane. What does the type of gun have to do with anything?

Aldebaran · Aug 30, 2019

civilwarbuff said:
you tube better get rid of their westerns....showing and shooting of guns, oh my!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Plenty of others too. I just went on Youtube and typed in "shooting guns" to see how many videos there are of people shooting guns to illustrate the idea that any one of them could be reported to the police as being a "possible threat", and one in particular caught my eye. A 10 year old girl shooting an AR15 and other guns, including handguns. The video was published in 2014, so I'm sure she's been arrested, investigated, sued, and suspended from school and workplaces by now:

civilwarbuff · Aug 30, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Plenty of others too. I just went on Youtube and typed in "shooting guns" to see how many videos there are of people shooting guns to illustrate the idea that any one of them could be reported to the police as being a "possible threat", and one in particular caught my eye. A 10 year old girl shooting an AR15 and other guns, including handguns. The video was published in 2014, so I'm sure she's been arrested, investigated, sued, and suspended from school and workplaces by now:

Maybe we can go visit her in prison.....such a desperate criminal......

MournfulWatcher · Aug 30, 2019

Halbhh said:
You know, there is another tangential issue that isn't the same as this injustice in the OP, but is slightly related, and is being indirectly discussed a bit. Here's a useful question:

Would you yourself, personally, feel ok if just down the street a few houses away you know that there is a teenager with an AR-15, and a belt for holding several 30 bullet magazines, and his AR-15 also has a bump stock on it? Cause you've seen him brandishing it around.

I'm really asking. What would you yourself think of that real-life situation?

I wouldn't care. Heck, for all I know someone on my street probably does, we have two automatic rifles in my own house (and my little sister is a teen). I see friends post pictures and videos at ranges or target shooting on their or a friend's property, and i know people who conceal carry on my college campus. My brother goes shooting with a friend every once in a while, and I even got to go and shoot with them too. My teenage sister went shooting with my grandpa a couple of months ago.

I live in Texas, so I think the hysteria around this story is kind of funny. A kid went to a shooting range with his mom and posted it on Snapchat? Yawn. I see that every day.

I can kind of understand guns making people uneasy in Colorado because of their history with mass shootings, but really? He was practicing safe shooting with supervision and being taught proper gun usage and having fun with his mom. The school should have never kicked them out.

Aldebaran · Aug 30, 2019

renniks said:
You can use any gun for Mass murder. Or a bomb or gasoline or car or an airplane. What does the type of gun have to do with anything?

It's the emotions that it triggers in people that is the main danger. Emotions have become more important than facts. That's why these red flag laws are in vogue right now. Someone becomes fearful, and that's all it takes.

Aldebaran · Aug 30, 2019

civilwarbuff said:
Maybe we can go visit her in prison.....such a desperate criminal......

She'd be 15, so she's probably in Juvee, unless they decided to try her as an adult.
Oh wait! It's even worse than I thought! She actually has a Facebook page where she poses with her arsenal along with other little kids wielding their weapons of doom! Her days in school are numbered for sure if anyone decides they don't like her, or her guns:
Shyanne Roberts

In reality, she's a successful competition shooter who loves to show what she can do, and isn't afraid of what others might think. Hmmm....maybe guns aren't really the problem some people like to make them out to be.

civilwarbuff · Aug 30, 2019

Whoa, she don't look like someone the lefties want to cross.....LOL.
Based on her shirt she seems like she may shoot competitively.......good for her.....

Aldebaran · Aug 30, 2019

MournfulWatcher said:
I wouldn't care. Heck, for all I know someone on my street probably does, we have two automatic rifles in my own house (and my little sister is a teen). I see friends post pictures and videos at ranges or target shooting on their or a friend's property, and i know people who conceal carry on my college campus. My brother goes shooting with a friend every once in a while, and I even got to go and shoot with them too. My teenage sister went shooting with my grandpa a couple of months ago.

I live in Texas, so I think the hysteria around this story is kind of funny. A kid went to a shooting range with his mom and posted it on Snapchat? Yawn. I see that every day.

I can kind of understand guns making people uneasy in Colorado because of their history with mass shootings, but really? He was practicing safe shooting with supervision and being taught proper gun usage and having fun with his mom. The school should have never kicked them out.

It's starting to look like the public school system is to be feared more than guns.

Aldebaran · Aug 30, 2019

civilwarbuff said:
Whoa, she don't look like someone the lefties want to cross.....LOL.
Based on her shirt she seems like she may shoot competitively.......good for her.....

Yep! Someone (a kid, no less) with a gun who isn't a mass shooter. Therefore, she won't be featured anytime soon (or EVER) on the news as being a good example for other kids to follow. We'll hear about people like Eric Harris, Dylan Kleibold, Stephen Paddock, Adam Lanza, etc., but we'll never hear the name Shyanne Roberts mentioned on the news.

Presbyterian Continuist · Aug 30, 2019

JCFantasy23 said:
16-year-old Nathan Myers and his mother Justine Myers went to a shooting range on Tuesday, a moment that Nathan celebrated by posting a video on Snapchat showing some of the guns they were going to bring, including hand guns and an AR-15. The caption for the post read, "Finna be lit," which he explained to Complete Colorado is just slang used among his peers meaning he's "excited" about the chance to go to the range with his mom, who he hadn't seen in a few weeks due to his parents being separated.

When they returned from shooting, Justine learned from messages left by Nathan's father that police officers had come to the house asking about his initial Snapchat post. "His father told them he was out shooting with me, I am an avid shooter," Justine explained. "So, the officers said he wasn't in trouble and left."

Though the family thought the issue was settled, the next morning they were informed by the school district that Nathan could not return to classes.

"I called to ask why I couldn't go, and they said it was a safety concern because the student who reported it was scared I was going to shoot up the school," Nathan said.

The Myers say Nathan has never had any conflict with another student, enjoys a large circle of friends, and has no criminal record.

Complete Colorado reached out to Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams to get his reaction to the situation. He said he thought it just seemed like a kid excited to go to a firing range. When he learned about the school district's response, he expressed disbelief.

"This is exactly the mechanics of the Red Flag Law," Reams told the outlet. "Someone filed an anonymous complaint, without the other person knowing it was being filed, but instead of him being deprived of his Second Amendment rights, he’s being deprived of his ability to go to school without due process."

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The result of hysteria from people who switch their pea brains off add two and two equals five, act like scared rabbits and take out their fear on a vulnerable student. I'll bet if it was the Principal's kid they wouldn't have done that!

Presbyterian Continuist · Aug 30, 2019

Aldebaran said:
It's starting to look like the public school system is to be feared more than guns.

There are some brainless pelicans running in some areas!

civilwarbuff · Aug 30, 2019

JCFantasy23 said:
16-year-old Nathan Myers and his mother Justine Myers went to a shooting range on Tuesday, a moment that Nathan celebrated by posting a video on Snapchat showing some of the guns they were going to bring, including hand guns and an AR-15. The caption for the post read, "Finna be lit," which he explained to Complete Colorado is just slang used among his peers meaning he's "excited" about the chance to go to the range with his mom, who he hadn't seen in a few weeks due to his parents being separated.

When they returned from shooting, Justine learned from messages left by Nathan's father that police officers had come to the house asking about his initial Snapchat post. "His father told them he was out shooting with me, I am an avid shooter," Justine explained. "So, the officers said he wasn't in trouble and left."

Though the family thought the issue was settled, the next morning they were informed by the school district that Nathan could not return to classes.

"I called to ask why I couldn't go, and they said it was a safety concern because the student who reported it was scared I was going to shoot up the school," Nathan said.

The Myers say Nathan has never had any conflict with another student, enjoys a large circle of friends, and has no criminal record.

Complete Colorado reached out to Weld County Sheriff Steve Reams to get his reaction to the situation. He said he thought it just seemed like a kid excited to go to a firing range. When he learned about the school district's response, he expressed disbelief.

"This is exactly the mechanics of the Red Flag Law," Reams told the outlet. "Someone filed an anonymous complaint, without the other person knowing it was being filed, but instead of him being deprived of his Second Amendment rights, he’s being deprived of his ability to go to school without due process."

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High School Bans Student After He Goes To Shooting Range With His Mom, Snapchat Post

If anyone comes across updates on this please post it here....really curious as to how this ends......

Hank77 · Aug 30, 2019

Halbhh said:
I want the police to enforce the law best they can, the way that is constitutional. They can get a warrant from a judge, and then search, constitutionally.

Do you think a judge would sign a warrant on the claims of one person with no other evidence?

RaymondG · Aug 30, 2019

Aldebaran said:
If you've never considered it, then how has it ended in failure most of the time? The only way it could result in failure is if you failed the background check that some people seem to think doesn't exist yet. If you failed it, you only lose the background check fee, which is $15 the last I checked. You don't lose the cost of the gun you were trying to buy.

I research things before proceeding.... I was referring to the success rate of others....many of whom say they had no reasons for being denied, yet get denied. Where I live, it cost 600 just to start the process... and a year later you get a declined or approval letter......after meetings with POs and having them contact employers and co-workers, 3 references etc.. I guess there are many people that can say the wrong thing that would get you declined as well..... And some may think it not even worth the fuss...and the loss of 600 is not pocket change.

You can appeal, which has a higher success rate of approval....but again this is more expensive than the initial process, and non of it refundable...... and all so that I can shoot a piece of paper and feel good if I hit the center? Maybe a nerf gun is a safer bet....

Aldebaran said:
Whether banned or suspended, the kid can't go to school until he's been investigated. Guilty until proven innocent based on an anonymous complaint.

Isnt this life as we know it? Why talk as if this is someone thing new? What happens to heads of companies if a woman post that he touched her without consent 20 years ago? He is fired and questions are asked later. Why would it be different when lives are children are potentially at risk?

RaymondG · Aug 30, 2019

civilwarbuff said:
you tube better get rid of their westerns....showing and shooting of guns, oh my!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, especially if they are in school...and describes the experience of shooting as "getting lit"

RDKirk · Aug 30, 2019

joshua 1 9 said:
I disagree with you. NO one has a right to own a gun unless they have been through military basic training and they have been trained in how to use that gun.

So you're saying only military veterans should be allowed to own guns?

I'll point out that for many military members, basic firearms training is rather minimal, btw.

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