Why are animal sacrifices done in the Millennial Temple

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Wrong. There still is a very alive and functioning people of Israel. And they are NOT the church. In many cases they are still as Paul wrote in Rom 11: "enemies of the gospel."

Yet the people you believe are Biblical Israel today have no verifiable relationship to the pre-desolation Hebrews.

They do not have the same religion, they do not have the same government, they do not have an operating covenant relationship with the Living God, and they have no verifiable genetic link to any pre-desoaltion Hebrew person.

Hardly "alive and functioning" by any scriptural criteria at all.
 
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They do not have the same religion, they do not have the same government, they do not have an operating covenant relationship with the Living God, and they have no verifiable genetic link to any pre-desoaltion Hebrew person.
Wrong on all 3 counts.

Those identified as Kohenim and Levites have the same Y chromosome as tests done on remains from known priests from 2000 years ago.
 
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Wrong on all 3 counts.

Those identified as Kohenim and Levites have the same Y chromosome as tests done on remains from known priests from 2000 years ago.

Link to those tests?

...and please explain in detail how Talmudic Judaism, invented by men hundreds of years after Christ, is the same religion as Mosaic Judaism, delivered by God on Sinai, and explain how the Secular, Democratic Government of Modern Israel is the same Government as the Hebrew Theocracy of Pre desolation Israel.
 
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...and please explain how Talmudic Judaism, invented hundreds of years after Christ, is the same religion as Mosaic Judaism,
You said "pre desolation" which is before the Temple was destroyed in 70 ad. Talmudic and Mishnaic Judaism is the extension of Pharasaic Judaism which is in the Gospels. the synagogue service has been almost the same since then.
 
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You said "pre desolation" which is before the Temple was destroyed in 70 ad. Talmudic and Mishnaic Judaism is the extension of Pharasaic Judaism which is in the Gospels. the synagogue service has been almost the same since then.

I get that these are your claims.
Link us to the evidence that supports them.
 
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Believers have toyed with the idea of a 1000 year reign since the beginning. One of the hallmark periods was actually 1000 AD when people gave up their belongings and waited for the Lord to arrive. When He didn't show up some recalculated and figured they must've been off a year or so.
The same scenario has played itself out again and again, with different dating systems used based on varying interpretations of certain Scriptural passages. For it's part, FWIW, the Catholic church has taught against millennialism or chiliasm for centuries.

even if the so-called gap theory was to be removed it would have no effect on the promised millennial Temple whether men have misinterpreted the Christ we are shown in Scripture being enthroned by the Prophet Ezekiel as being enthroned in heaven in the first 5 chapters. Then Ezekiel in chapters 6- 20 we are taught by the Prophet of the Tribulation, Wrath of God and Lord enthroned on David's Throne here on earth for a Thousand Years. Then the Lord in the chapters 21 and 22 the Lord is enthroned in the New Creation. A rule in interpreting Scripture is a literal interpretation if that is possible first.

I know the Lord has taken His rightful place on the Father's throne. I know the Lord must be seated on David's Throne which has never taken place and will be literally fulfilled or we must make a determination the tribulation, wrath of God and the Millennial Reign are all just make believe for they are cause and effect with each other. Lastly the Lord will be enthroned in what we are told is the new creation.
 
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I'm not sure where the 7-year preparation is in the Bible. The Bride has been preparing herself for almost 2000 years.

7 Let us rejoice and be exceeding glad, and let us give the glory unto him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.

8 And it was given unto her that she should array herself in fine linen, bright [and] pure: for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Re. 19: 7-8

This has been taking place in heaven during the time of what the O. T. calls The Time of Jacob's Trouble or what is known to Christians The Tribulation. When the Bride has been taken by the Bridegroom to the Father's House, Heaven

 
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Wrong. There still is a very alive and functioning people of Israel. And they are NOT the church. In many cases they are still as Paul wrote in Rom 11: "enemies of the gospel."

There is, like Elijah was shown, more than we might be able to conceive. There is a Faithful Remnant in every generation just as in the End Times when all who have accept the Lord will be saved by the Return to the Mount of Olives and it splitting in two opening, like the Red Sea, the way of escape not from Pharaoh but from the one Pharaoh was a shadow of anti-Christ. We are only given the number of the Faithful Remnant on earth one time, in the Revelation of 144,000 who will fulfill the promise that Israel would become a Royal Nation of Priests. That's a lot of Priests isn't it? When you consider that the Millennial Temple is going to be 47 miles by 47 miles larger than the city of Jerusalem let alone the Temple Mount a lot of Cohanim are going to be needed
 
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This has been taking place in heaven during the time of what the O. T. calls The Time of Jacob's Trouble or what is known to Christians The Tribulation. When the Bride has been taken by the Bridegroom to the Father's House, Heaven
So, you concede there is nothing in the Bible to indicate either that this preparation takes place for 7 years or that it takes place after the rapture?
 
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So, you concede there is nothing in the Bible to indicate either that this preparation takes place for 7 years or that it takes place after the rapture?

can you prove it does not happen. The entire context of the passage is the Tribulation. If she did not enter he
So, you concede there is nothing in the Bible to indicate either that this preparation takes place for 7 years or that it takes place after the rapture?

if the entire context of the passage was not the Time of Jacob's Trouble/ Tribulation I might through mydelf on the ground and proclaim you caught me. If she did not ascend into heaven at the beginning of the Trib when did she ascend into heaven to prepare herself for the Wedding Supper of The Lamb? She must have ascended in order for her to descend at the end of the 1,000 years and the final defeat of Satan the father who is cast into the Lake of fire where anti-Christ and the false prophet have been for the thousand years before he is released to deceive the nations, Gog and Magog.
 
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can you prove it does not happen. The entire context of the passage is the Tribulation. If she did not enter he


if the entire context of the passage was not the Time of Jacob's Trouble/ Tribulation I might throw myself on the ground and proclaim you caught me. If she did not ascend into heaven at the beginning of the Trib when did she ascend into heaven to prepare herself for the Wedding Supper of The Lamb? She must have ascended in order for her to descend at the end of the 1,000 years and the final defeat of Satan the father who is cast into the Lake of fire where anti-Christ, satan the son, and the false prophet, satan the unholy spirit, have been for the thousand years before satan the father is released to deceive the nations, Gog and Magog.
 
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Scripture tells us that the Millennial Temple will once again have animal sacrifices. Your thoughts
My thoughts are that as Christians we don't have an adequate understanding of the sacrificial system. But that aside... all they ever did was point forward to the one who would do the real work, right? So if they are done at a later date, they will simply be pointing back at that same work. Either way, all they really did was point.

Who does them? Probably not us unless we are using them to teach the nations which will still exist. Consider Zech. 14:16 as one example of many.
 
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I know the Lord has taken His rightful place on the Father's throne. I know the Lord must be seated on David's Throne which has never taken place.

Rather, it ABSOLUTELY has.

Just as the earthly temple and animal sacrifices were mere types of the heavenly realities, so too was David's earthly throne. According to the apostles, Jesus (the God-King and eternal melchizidekian priest) was raised to the eternal throne of David (Acts 2:30-36). We should therefore NOT say or teach otherwise.

Acts 2:30-36
"Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him [David], that of the fruit of his [Davids] loins, according to the flesh, he would "raise up" Christ to sit on his [David's] throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses..."Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ

Peter is stating a COMPLETED prophecy has occurred. "He seeing this before SPOKE OF THE RESURRECTION OF CHRIST...THIS JESUS HATH GOD RAISED UP."

Peter sees Christ's resurrection by the Father as one that gave Jesus the eternal and immortal throne of his father David. Jesus took that [David's] throne unto himself in Matthew 21:1-17, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. His death and resurrection made his reign IMMORTAL AND ETERNAL over all of heaven and earth (Matthew 28:18-19).
 
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If she did not ascend into heaven at the beginning of the Trib when did she ascend into heaven to prepare herself for the Wedding Supper of The Lamb? She must have ascended in order for her to descend at the end of the 1,000 years and the final defeat of Satan the father who is cast into the Lake of fire where anti-Christ and the false prophet have been for the thousand years before he is released to deceive the nations, Gog and Magog.
I'm not interested in arguing but rather in understanding your point view.

From what I gather, your theory is kind of unique bec it combines the Dispensationalists' Premillennialism with the Adventists' Premillennialism and adds to the mixture a sacrificial system during the Millennium. Did I understand you correctly?

I have a few questions and will be interested in further explanation of your beliefs:

1) Where is Christ in your scenario, on earth or in heaven? And where is the Holy Spirit?

2) Are people on earth mortal or resurrected or a mixture?

3) Why are animal sacrifices done in the Millennial Temple?

4) What are the resurrected people in heaven doing?

5) What parts in the NT become clearer using your system?
 
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My thoughts are that as Christians we don't have an adequate understanding of the sacrificial system. But that aside... all they ever did was point forward to the one who would do the real work, right?
While they were pointing forward to Christ, They were effectual at atoning for Sin, were they not?
Not completely & eternally, for they had to be performed over again and again, but they were effectual at putting off the Sins of the Jews for a time, until they had to be performed again...

So if they are done at a later date, they will simply be pointing back at that same work.

But will they again be effectual at putting off the sins of the People between performances of them?

Here they are.
Notice they are not "memorial" at all, rather they are the proprietary offerings of the Mosaic Law, a Law Christ made OBSOLETE nearly 2000 years ago:

Ezekiel 40:39
In the porch of the gate were two tables on each side, on which to slaughter the burnt offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering.

Ezekiel 42:13
the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering;

Ezekiel 43:20
'You shall take some of its blood and put it on its four horns and on the four corners of the ledge and on the border round about; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.

Ezekiel 43:21
'You shall also take the bull for the sin offering

Ezekiel 43:22
'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering

Ezekiel 43:27
'When they have completed the days, it shall be that on the eighth day and onward, the priests shall offer your burnt offerings on the altar, and your peace offerings; AND I WILL ACCEPT YOU

Ezekiel 44:10
"But the Levites who went far from Me when Israel went astray, who went astray from Me after their idols, shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having oversight at the gates of the house and ministering in the house; they shall slaughter the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people


All these offerings are the propitiatory offerings of the Mosaic Law that Jesus came to make obsolete forever. The teaching of a reinstitution of this blood sacrificial system is a rebuke against the blood of Jesus Christ, and a cause for anathema according to the apostles. A return to this system is a falling away from salvation, according to the apostles. A falling from the grace of Jesus Christ.

And What of Circumcision? Why will that be back?
Ezekiel 44:9
'Thus says the Lord GOD, "No foreigner uncircumcised in heart and uncircumcised in flesh of all the foreigners who are among the sons of Israel, shall enter My sanctuary.

Paul said Physical Circumcision avails you NOTHING.
Was Paul Wrong?
 
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My thoughts are that as Christians we don't have an adequate understanding of the sacrificial system. But that aside... all they ever did was point forward to the one who would do the real work, right? So if they are done at a later date, they will simply be pointing back at that same work. Either way, all they really did was point.

Who does them? Probably not us unless we are using them to teach the nations which will still exist. Consider Zech. 14:16 as one example of many.

That is exactly correct the sacrificial system to point to the true Passover Lamb this was meant to lead men to the Lord. Having done so the Law was at an end. With the destruction of Israel God set them aside like a car on a narrow road while the car representing Gentiles is presently on that road with Israel waiting for the times of the Gentiles to be at an end. This will end at the Tribulation or first revealed in O. t. As The Time of Jacobs Trouble when the Bride will be taken into heaven leaving nothing but unbelieving Gentiles on earth and the nation of Israel waiting to once more begin her journey on that narrow road that we see turns out to be two Israel’s one is the apostate portion who will continue to reject Messiah and the other is the Faithful Remnant who will escape through the valley opened when the Returned Lord stands on the Mount of Olives.

The faithful remnant will be the extent of the nation of Israel as apostate Israel has been destroyed by anti- Christ before his defeat by the returned Lord. This faithful remnant will be the Royal nation of priests Israel had always meant to be. These 144,000 purified priests will serve the Lord in His temple while also ministering through the Offering meant to point the unbelieving Gentile nations to a saving knowledge/ belief in the Lord. But the same two streams that made up Israel make up the Gentiles unbelievers and a Faithful remnant of Gentiles never meant for temple service. When Satan the father is loosed for
 
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I'm not interested in arguing but rather in understanding your point view.

From what I gather, your theory is kind of unique bec it combines the Dispensationalists' Premillennialism with the Adventists' Premillennialism and adds to the mixture a sacrificial system during the Millennium. Did I understand you correctly?

I have a few questions and will be interested in further explanation of your beliefs:

1) Where is Christ in your scenario, on earth or in heaven? And where is the Holy Spirit?

2) Are people on earth mortal or resurrected or a mixture?

3) Why are animal sacrifices done in the Millennial Temple?

4) What are the resurrected people in heaven doing?

5) What parts in the NT become clearer using your system?


oh darn it I was really hoping for a knockdown drag out dustup. Guess I have to look elsewhere. :holy:
I thought we were seeking to sharpen each other. Here goes.

1 Since we are dealing with omnipresent being He is everywhere. In Revelation we are told of the Christ "He was, He is, and He will be again." meaning the Lord was in the world, is in the world and will come again in the world. of the delusion who could almost deceive the Elect, ant-Christ, we are told "he was, he is not now and he will be again.' The difference being that anti Christ is not omnipresent, only God is, and is not in the world now. Anti-Christ did not ascend into heaven like the Christ he has been being held prisoner in the Abyss waiting for his time to be released back into this world with all the fallen angels that will be his satanic army.

2 great question and could be tricky but here goes. When we believed in Christ He began a good work in us that He will finish. When that work began we became to people our Old Man our flesh and our Spiritual New Man. The flesh is so polluted it cannot be saved and will perish, the Lord has given us a great gift in death. The Lord has accomplished at least two great things through death. If our flesh did not perish it would plague us forever. The Lord has used death to open a Door, Christ, into eternal life. So I go for answer c for number 2.

3to teach the unbelieving Gentile nations who are commanded to come up to Jerusalem to worship the Lord in what same claim is an imaginary temple. It is not. The faithful remnant of Israel that came through the tribulation will become what God had always intended Israel to be a royal nation of priests. They will serve using those sacrifices to teach of the Lord and His shed blood for salvation. At the end of the thousand years satan the father is rleased for a short time deceives the nations Gog and Magog and is destroyed not at Har Megiddo but at Jerusalem itself when he finds the Lord will be their wall in that day.

4 no resurrected people yet. First resurrection has not happened yet. There are the saints under the altar but the only Resurrected Person is the Lord Jesus Christ.

5 I pray this is not my flesh speaking but I think just about all of it. If it is my flesh being prideful I am sorry Lord and may your Holy Spirit humble and correct me.

Your answers to same if you would, thanks.
 
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That is exactly correct the sacrificial system to point to the true Passover Lamb this was meant to lead men to the Lord. Having done so the Law was at an end.
With the upmost respect intended, you are hitting on what I was talking about. The sacrificial system didn't point to the Passover Lamb, the Passover sacrifice pointed to the Passover Lamb. Other sacrifices point (or pointed) to other aspects of messiah's work. We are raised to see his work as dealing with sin... but the Passover Lamb wasn't even a sin sacrifice. The Yom Kippur sacrifice was a sin sacrifice. :) Each sacrifice and each feast point to DIFFERENT facets of his work... which deals with more than just sin. And... when it comes to the feasts, the spring feasts basically pointed to his first coming and the fall feasts basically point to his return (I say "basically" because there is some overlap). So to say that the law was brought to an end means his work is finished and yet you are still decaying, getting disease, dying. He still has to perfect us... he still will set up a Kingdom... he still will (metaphorically) consummate the marriage to his bride (Feast of Tabernacles) and so on.

There is still more work to do and a blanket statement like, "having done so the law was at an end" is why we see things that God called an "abomination" now legal in our society. Sin is still sin and the law defines sin (1 John 3:4).

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EDIT PS- His "it is finished" line meant he did what he needed to do. It doesn't mean he has applied it all yet.
 
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With the upmost respect intended, you are hitting on what I was talking about. The sacrificial system didn't point to the Passover Lamb, the Passover sacrifice pointed to the Passover Lamb. Other sacrifices point (or pointed) to other aspects of messiah's work. We are raised to see his work as dealing with sin... but the Passover Lamb wasn't even a sin sacrifice. The Yom Kippur sacrifice was a sin sacrifice. :) Each sacrifice and each feast point to DIFFERENT facets of his work... which deals with more than just sin. And... when it comes to the feasts, the spring feasts basically pointed to his first coming and the fall feasts basically point to his return (I say "basically" because there is some overlap). So to say that the law was brought to an end means his work is finished and yet you are still decaying, getting disease, dying. He still has to perfect us... he still will set up a Kingdom... he still will (metaphorically) consummate the marriage to his bride (Feast of Tabernacles) and so on.

There is still more work to do and a blanket statement like, "having done so the law was at an end" is why we see things that God called an "abomination" now legal in our society. Sin is still sin and the law defines sin (1 John 3:4).

Peace.
Ken

EDIT PS- His "it is finished" line meant he did what he needed to do. It doesn't mean he has applied it all yet.

hi Ken, great stuff thanks for sharpening and being sharpened. Again I agree that the entire Mosaic system pointed to the Lord as well as being that which revealed and condemned sin in men. There is no one thing, hundreds of things probably trillions of things that could in and of themselves reveal the Lord. Even with the amount He has made Himself known to us we still can't grasp the true magnitude of all He is or all He has done.

It is a very popular teaching about the spring feasts being fulfilled and the rest waiting fulfillment. But consider this from the 70 Week of Years. The decree to rebuild Jerusalem and the temple was given on Passover and 7 weeks of years later on Passover the work was done. From that Passover another 62 Weeks of Years was to finished when Messiah came to Jerusalem was as we know on Passover. With these 69 Weeks of years at an end with His crucifixion when He was cut off and had nothing. This leaves one Week of Years, 7 years the length of the tribulation that will also begin on Passover and come to a close 7 years later on Passover with the Return of the Passover Lamb. The Feasts in their order may yet be revealed to hold more but Passover is distinctly and uniquely the Day of the Lord.

I believe the Lord spoke of a number of things as being finished. Yes He looked to see if anything had been left out under the criteria of the Law and when He saw He had done all that was to be done on His first coming He spoke the words "It is finished." One thing we have failed to understand is the Lord was also speaking of the Written Law that Scripture tells us we died to the Law through the Law. God designed His Law to accomplish certain things when the Passover Lamb of God lay down His life the Law had been fulfilled and His people are to live not under the Written Law but the Royal Law of Love or more accurately Love in action or Grace.
 
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