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Citizenship will no longer be automatic for children of some US military members living overseas
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As finally clarified, this won't affect the children born to a military couple where both are natural-born American citizens.
But be aware that US military installations overseas are not US soil, they are on the soil of the host country. Being born in the US military hospital makes no difference at all.
The American citizenship is extended to them by right of the parents being American citizens, but the host country might also consider them citizens. For instance, my daughter is considered by the Republic of the Philippines to be a citizen of the Philippines. But Italy does not consider a child born on their soil to be a citizen unless the father is a citizen.
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Here's an article written after the "clarification." The change does, in fact, affect some children born to US citizens, indeed exactly the ones my previous posting suggested. If you become a US citizen and join the military immediately, you are at risk. In addition to being a citizen, parents have to have resided in the US for some period of time. The Trump administration's new citizenship policy will only affect 25 military children a year, officials say
You need to read the clarification carefully. The new policy does not affect children of parents who were *born* as US citizens. It targets only naturalized citizens. Traditionally I always thought of naturalized citizens as full citizens with the same rights as others. That turns out not to be the case. It will be interesting to see whether the Supreme Court considers it constitutional to make that kind of distinction.
You need to read the clarification carefully. The new policy does not affect children of parents who were *born* as US citizens. It targets only naturalized citizens. Traditionally I always thought of naturalized citizens as full citizens with the same rights as others. That turns out not to be the case. It will be interesting to see whether the Supreme Court considers it constitutional to make that kind of distinction.
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Honestly, why? What might have led you to expect a well thought out and nuanced response to a complex problem from the current White House leadership?
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Immigration officials say new policy will only affect about two dozen military families per year
Military Times article on the matter, and this one has a graphic noting who is and isn't affected.
Nutshell: this only affects children born overseas to parents who were not themselves US citizens at the time of birth or specific naturalized citizens who had not yet met certain residency requirements.
They're estimating that perhaps 25 families will be affected.
Military Times article on the matter, and this one has a graphic noting who is and isn't affected.
Nutshell: this only affects children born overseas to parents who were not themselves US citizens at the time of birth or specific naturalized citizens who had not yet met certain residency requirements.
They're estimating that perhaps 25 families will be affected.
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So why do it at all? I'd've thought serving the US by putting one's life on the line would be worth something.
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Additional (unofficial) clarifications from Cuccinelli show that the policy is aimed toward naturalized citizens and legal residents--primarily--although some provisions will catch even native-born citizens.
Clearly, Cuccinelli didn't run the original memo through "Napoleon's Corporal."
Unfortunately, case-by-case decisions in the field will be made by low-level GS workers in their cubicles making decisions according to the original memo, not the clarifications.
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I see some arguments along the lines of, "It only affects X-number of people!" The issue is should not be affecting anyone. Just as tossing out migrants getting healthcare makes no sense, when you pair these policies with taking power away from judges to allow people to stay, you get cruel policies that hurt people. But this is all about satisfying a rabid nationalistic base that considers foreigners as "other." And while they came in attacking illegal immigration at the outset, they are looking to attack every legal form of immigration to prevent people from coming to this country. It's obvious, we have a Jean Cramer problem in this country, and xenophobia is the main motivation.
When someone is serving the United States and its interests abroad, they more than anyone, should not be forced to jump through hoops because their kids are born abroad. They are serving the interests of the United States, that should be all you need to know.
When someone is serving the United States and its interests abroad, they more than anyone, should not be forced to jump through hoops because their kids are born abroad. They are serving the interests of the United States, that should be all you need to know.
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