The Sixth Seal

keras said:

Two different events, the Sixth Seal years before the Return of Jesus.

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keras said:

Two different events, the Sixth Seal years before the Return of Jesus.

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What about the comparison in the rest of the two verses in Revelation 6:13-14 and Matthew 24:29 highlighted in blue - how can something of that magnitude be at two different events, separated by years?

Revelaton 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

keras said:

Why not? They are different events, placement in Revelation, different results, etc.
Stars, that is meteors and space debris fall frequently, earthquakes every day somewhere on earth, sun darkened; volcanic ash or an eclipse?

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I don't think it is talking about meteors in Revelation 6:14.

keras said:

But the sky being rolled up like a scroll happens only at the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, confirmed in Isaiah 34:4-5....for My Sword will appear and descend in Judgment upon the nations....

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But the comparison in question is between Matthew 24:29 and Revelation 6:13-14.

keras said:

At the Return, Revelation 19:11, it is heaven that opens and Jesus rides out from there with His angel army, for His Millennium reign.

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The heaven in Revelation 19:11 is the third heaven. The heaven in Revelation 6:13-14 is the second heaven.


Jesus's return will be after the sixth seal event. In the sixth seal event, it is the cosmos, the second heaven containing the stars that is departed as a scroll. It can hardly be talking about the third heaven.

In Revelation 19:11, it is the third heaven opened, the clouds of the third heaven opening*, and the world sees Jesus and the armies that are in the third heaven following Him, Revelation 19:14. In Matthew 24:30b...

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

keras said:

google; thermoluminescence
This reaction of any oxidized element to heat, is well known. You are the science teacher; do you deny this?

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Thermoluminescence is not a Thermite reaction, which is what you claimed earlier.

Get your story straight.

At least you are changing your story to get it into the realm of possibility.
That is more than many here are willing to do.
I will give you a C+ for that effort.

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keras said:

I was given bad advice before.

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Admitting an error is the first step in getting out of the ditch and back onto the road.

I have done it many times.

One time my girlfriend's father had to pull my car out of the ditch with a log chain. That was quite humbling.

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keras said:

Now, what you are doing is not addressing the facts, but attempting to discredit me personally.
However, what will happen won't be realized by you or anyone who has their own ideas of what the Lord intends to do when Iran and all the Islamic peoples go to attack Israel.

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This seems like some sort of threat.

What if the true end times calendar would come from an 'outsider', wiping out all the other interpretations due to its unexpected statements, while perfectly respecting the Scriptures with knowledge Christians didn't expect? Would the Christians recognize that truth? And be actually saved?

keras said:

Correct, but this thread is about the Sixth Seal.
Which is the next prophesied event that we can expect. Proved by Isaiah 61:2b, where Jesus quoted Isaiah 61:1-2a and stopped before; and a Day of the Lord's vengeance.

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Your statement is but a guesswork too. I state here that the very first seal has not come to fruition yet, but has symbolically started on June 21 2019 (there is a clear reason for that, of course).

What a large majority of the end times researchers seem to skip is the structure of the Book of Revelation. Of course, there is a chronology. But what matters first is how the Book of Revelation is organized: 7 churches (chapters 1 to 3) - Ceremony in Heaven (chapters 4 to 5) - 7 sealed scroll (chapters 6 to 10) - little open scroll (11 to 20) - God with man (21 to 22). ALL THESE CHAPTERS ARE PROPHETIC, as per Rev 1 & 22, from the time it has been conveyed to John...including Rev 12, ENTIRELY (Jesus Christ didn't make an exception in Rev 22).

From that structure you see that 7 sealed scroll = little open scroll = same events, the first being the decisions of God, the second being the humans' outcomes. In other words, what is said in the 7 sealed scroll has a specific correspondence in the little open scroll, what the 7 trumpets and the 7 bowls clearly prove. SAME FUTURE EVENTS!

As long as one has not understood these points, there is no discussion possible. NONE.

We actually are, LITERALLY, at the eve of Rev 4 & 5!

keras said:

Not my 'threat', but the Lord's;
Several prophesies tell us that of people choose to believe false theories and doctrines, then the truth will be hidden from them. Isaiah 29:9-12, 1 Corinthians 3:18-20, Matthew 11:25, Isaiah 42:18-20, +
Proved by how so many Christians have no clue about what is prophesied to happen.

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Ummm.....but you are setting yourself up on the Lord's side - and self-proclaiming to speak for God. That's not really a great stance to take, in my opinion.

Tis true - we ARE warned against false teaching (and pride, too).

keras said:

but I do have the task to promote what the prophets wrote.
What is your real objection to that?

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Personally......I believe God tasked the Holy Spirit with that job and am confident in the Holy Spirit's ability to do so well.

keras said:

We never hear the Prophetic Word preached and most of what we read on forums like this one, is peoples opinions.
BTW, Seventh Head, please take your opinions elsewhere.

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We still have just "people's opinions".

Sorry keras, I thought it was a forum where one could share opinions and disprove points when they are wrong. Sorry, I was mistaken.

Seventh Head said: ↑
Sorry keras, I thought it was a forum where one could share opinions and disprove points when they are wrong. Sorry, I was mistaken.

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Anyone can post in any thread as long as they follow the forum rules.

It would be best to stick to the subject matter of the thread title. And not get too side-track, although that inevitable happens.

I think Keras was responding to your posts #70 and #71.

I think your posts #70 and #71, imo, was taking the topic too far toward another discussion. Don't you already have a thread on that subject?

keras said:

Have you really read and thought about the scriptures that I have presented on this thread? They are not opinions, but what the Prophets have told us will happen. That you reject them is your prerogative, so for you and most people; it will only be after these things have happened, you will see how the information was there all the time.
Just as the Jews couldn't see the prophesies about Jesus coming.

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I don't think the issue is over whether anyone here rejects what is written the bible, but there is difference of opinion of what those passages mean and application.

I would say argue the subject and not the person (other posters).

Making someone aware of a passage(s) exists in the bible is fine, or reminding them, and giving the rationale of what is in those passage is important to consider if fine. But if they don't agree over the meaning and application and rationale, that is no reason to attack them personally. Because that is when the threads degenerate.

Douggg said:

It would be best to stick to the subject matter of the thread title. And not get too side-track, although that inevitable happens.

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I was showing keras, who stated that the next prophesied event is the 6th seal, that he was wrong and told him why I disagree. Now, if keras prefers 'to be right' when asking me to take my opinions elsewhere, I don't want to bother him. He seems to have enough work with other posters.