You need to have a plant-based diet to be saved?

Christ is Lord · Aug 29, 2019

mmksparbud said:
But, yes, Daniel and his companions were vegetarian.

Are you sure they were vegetarian?

Notice what he states in Daniel 10:1-3. I am quoting it in the KJV:

10 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The message was true, but the appointed time was long; and he understood the message, and had understanding of the vision. 2 In those days I, Daniel, was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant food, no meat or wine came into my mouth, nor did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Now, if I told you, "Hey, I ate no fish for three-weeks". What would you infer that was part of my diet before the three-weeks (however frequent)? You would conclude that I ate fish. I don't think because of the account of Daniel chapter 1 that one can conclude that he was vegetation. I think they mainly followed that diet for a period.

What say you?

mmksparbud · Aug 29, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Are you sure they were vegetarian?

Notice what he states in Daniel 10:1-3. I am quoting it in the KJV:

10 In the third year of Cyrus king of Persia a message was revealed to Daniel, whose name was called Belteshazzar. The message was true, but the appointed time was long; and he understood the message, and had understanding of the vision. 2 In those days I, Daniel, was mourning three full weeks. 3 I ate no pleasant food, no meat or wine came into my mouth, nor did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Now, if I told you, "Hey, I ate no fish for three-weeks". What would you infer that was part of my diet before the three-weeks (however frequent)? You would conclude that I ate fish. I don't think because of the account of Daniel chapter 1 that one can conclude that he was vegetation. I think they mainly followed that diet for a period.

What say you?

LOL! Yes, I should have said mostly vegetarian as they would have had to eat lamb at least on Passover, as did all Jews and Jesus Himself.

The vegetarian part comes in from this:
Dan_1:12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink. Which lasted 10 days, but more than likely was their normal way of eating, with occassional clean meats.

Christ is Lord · Aug 29, 2019

mmksparbud said:
LOL! Yes, I should have said mostly vegetarian as they would have had to eat lamb at least on Passover, as did all Jews and Jesus Himself.

The vegetarian part comes in from this:
Dan_1:12 Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink. Which lasted 10 days, but more than likely was their normal way of eating, with occassional clean meats.

Then they weren't vegetarian

mmksparbud · Aug 29, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Then they weren't vegetarian

Just during this trial period, otherwise it would have been clean meats.

dqhall · Aug 29, 2019

mmksparbud said:
I don't mind people objecting to a plant based diet, I don't even mind people calling EGW a loony, false prophet. I can handle that---what I object to is false information! Just FYI, there are more "Salad shooters" outside of Adventism then there are Adventists. Practically the whole country of India are vegetarian, as they revere cattle. There are body builders who are vegetarian, vegan, including Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Robert Cheeke

Mike Tyson

There are a about 49 celebrities that have gone vegetarian and many vegan. You can just look up vegan celebrities---none of these people follow EGW---they do it for health. So I suggest you get your facts straight.
vegan celebrities - Bing images

Dan Buettner wrote, “The Blue Zones Solution.” He wrote about local areas with higher percentages of people aged 100 or older. One of these zones is Loma Linda, CA where there is a Seventh Day Adventist college and large SDA community. There are Adventists who are vegetarian or vegan and others who eat fish or meat. They are not supposed to smoke or drink alcohol.

Christ is Lord · Aug 29, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Just during this trial period, otherwise it would have been clean meats.

My mistake. I thought they were asserting that they were always vegetarian from chapter 1 onward.

Newtheran · Aug 29, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

I can see where someone would say that a plant based diet would keep you healthier and give you a longer life. After all, we - and all creation - were designed to be vegetarian. It wasn't until after the flood that the people of God were given permission to eat meat. Scientific research on the Seventh Day Adventists show that they have a longer life expectancy than do their meat eating counterparts in the church. However, using this as a salvation requirement seems a bit sketchy.

Sketcher · Aug 29, 2019

mmksparbud said:
You'd have to ask them---I've known body builders who were life long vegetarians---from birth. My one aunt, though not a body builder, was one from birth---she lived to 100. At 95 she still walked 3 miles a day. I was not one, I had colon cancer at 65 and am wheelchair bound. My best friend was one from birth---she is 71 and rides horses, takes care of a 5 acre garden and just never slows down.

I don't doubt that they exist, but in the interest of getting facts right, it's important to stick only to those examples when making that point. Mike Tyson for instance, did not become a 220lb heavyweight champion on a vegan diet. He changed to that after he retired, and he lost much of the excess weight he had put on during retirement.

mmksparbud · Aug 29, 2019

Newtheran said:
I can see where someone would say that a plant based diet would keep you healthier and give you a longer life. After all, we - and all creation - were designed to be vegetarian. It wasn't until after the flood that the people of God were given permission to eat meat. Scientific research on the Seventh Day Adventists show that they have a longer life expectancy than do their meat eating counterparts in the church. However, using this as a salvation requirement seems a bit sketchy.

It is not a means to salvation, it is strictly for health. Vegetarianism is not going to save you any more than Sabbath keeping will. We are saved by grace. However, when convicted of a way of life, no matter what it is, and you refuse to go along with what God clearly shows you, you are in rebellion against the Holy Spirit. And God alone knows when you are sincerely convicted, yet reject His will.

Jas_4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Natsumi Lam · Aug 29, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

Can works save us?

Christ is Lord · Aug 30, 2019

mmksparbud said:
However, when convicted of a way of life, no matter what it is, and you refuse to go along with what God clearly shows you, you are in rebellion against the Holy Spirit. And God alone knows when you are sincerely convicted, yet reject His will.

Jas_4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Well said. When it comes to things were they can legitimately be a difference of opinion based on the Bible you should what you are convicted to do by faith. Paul said to do anything that doesn't come from faith is sin and I think that applies to anything were the Bible isn't "clear":

"The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. But whoever has doubts is condemned if he eats, because the eating is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin." Romans 14:22-23

renniks · Aug 30, 2019

Christ is Lord said:
Hello everyone,

This is my first time posting here. I recently came across a video in which a pastor stated that in order for people to be saved they need to have a plant-based diet.

Here is the video. (Go to 24:31 to see the statement up until 24:50)

I’ve never heard that belief before and I was wondering if any of the members here might share that too. If so I’d like to know why. I posted a comment on the video to understand how someone can come to that conclusion but it was deleted.

I have had some long conversations with vegans about this stuff... They twist scripture terribly to meet their agenda. They're just another cult as far as I'm concerned.

Strong in Him · Aug 30, 2019

Newtheran said:
Scientific research on the Seventh Day Adventists show that they have a longer life expectancy than do their meat eating counterparts in the church. However, using this as a salvation requirement seems a bit sketchy.

For "a bit sketchy", read "completely unscriptural".

Yes, a person can say that their reading of Scripture leads them to believe that a plant based diet is healthier for us, and more desirable. But there's no way the reconciliation between God and man could have ever been achieved by a carrot stick and bit of turnip. Mankind was completely unable to save itself and atone for its own sin; that's why Jesus came.

mmksparbud · Aug 30, 2019

Strong in Him said:
For "a bit sketchy", read "completely unscriptural".

Yes, a person can say that their reading of Scripture leads them to believe that a plant based diet is healthier for us, and more desirable. But there's no way the reconciliation between God and man could have ever been achieved by a carrot stick and bit of turnip. Mankind was completely unable to save itself and atone for its own sin; that's why Jesus came.

Again---IT IS NOT THE DOCTRINE OF THE SDA THAT A PLANT BASED DIET LEADS TO SALVATION!! We are saved by grace---plant based diet is for health alone.

Strong in Him · Aug 30, 2019

mmksparbud said:
Again---IT IS NOT THE DOCTRINE OF THE SDA THAT A PLANT BASED DIET LEADS TO SALVATION!! We are saved by grace---plant based diet is for health alone.

I never said that it was, don't shout.
I was responding to a post which said that it was a "bit sketchy" to say that a plant based diet is needed for salvation. Before that, I was responding to the title of the thread.
I didn't mention SDA at all.

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