Sick Migrants Undergoing Lifesaving Care Can Now Be Deported

I"m sure all the humanitarian folks here have filled every room of their houses or apartments with the drug addicts, the sick, elderly, mentally ill and homeless? and are willing to pay for the medical expenses of others from around the world who would like to come to the USA for treatment?

Pedra said:

I"m sure all the humanitarian folks here have filled every room of their houses or apartments with the drug addicts, the sick, elderly, mentally ill and homeless? and are willing to pay for the medical expenses of others from around the world who would like to come to the USA for treatment?

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So, you're against humanitarian ideals then?

variant said:

The morality of people can always be best demonstrated by how they treat people they don't have to treat well.

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Sure, but I don't think we need to make this a D Vs R thing, we don't need to generalise and say that either the left or the right are immoral by nature.

If we do that then people will stick to their political leanings. People on the right will hold steadfast and defend Trump and his administration in turning off the medical machines, unplugging the sick children and pushing them out of the hospital door, with a "get out! Stay out!, go back to where you came from!" in lieu of a handshake and a goodbye.

Or perhaps maybe they call the police in, if the kid refuses to crawl out and away from the hospital bed.

My cousin serves a church in a town in Nebraska near where they were keeping a group of those who had crossed illegaly. My cousin and some of the church members began to take needed supplies to them. A good many people got upset they were helping these people.

When did we start assuming people had to meet a set of conditions in order to be loved, treated with dignity, and cared for? When was obedience to the law a pre-requisite to being loved? If that's how it's going to be, then we're all hating it. You know what I mean?

stevil said:

Sure, but I don't think we need to make this a D Vs R thing, we don't need to generalise and say that either the left or the right are immoral by nature.

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You may not be but I am.

In this case one side of the political divide provided a way for sick kids to get medical treatment that they couldn't get in their home countries and the other side ended it.

Now you will see them defend the idea of kicking people who are here to seek medical treatment, that they can't get in their home countries, out of the country.

Pedra said:

I"m sure all the humanitarian folks here have filled every room of their houses or apartments with the drug addicts, the sick, elderly, mentally ill and homeless? and are willing to pay for the medical expenses of others from around the world who would like to come to the USA for treatment?

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If an illegal immigrant (non dangerous) child were at your door bleeding and bruised because they had been hit by a car and in need of immediate attention. Would you:
A - Attend to their immediate life threatening needs, as well as call an Ambulance (emergency services), and when you have time (after immediate life threatening issues have been attended to) then call the police?
B - Tell them to go away, go back to where they come from, then close your door, then call the police.
C - Make a citizens arrest, pin them down so they can't get away, then call the police. Don't worry about calling the ambulance because you don't want to waste tax payers money.
D - Shoot them

mothcorrupteth said:

The chief end of government is to defend the interests of the people it governs, not the interests of other, non-citizen people.

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Yes, just as companies exist to make money. But if the countries, and the companies, are made of those who follow Christian principles (which seems to mean non-Christians), they can and I think should have a secondary purpose of helping people. That doesn't mean the US can solve all the world's problems. But it does make sense for us to have a program to care for a limited number of foreigners were we have medical technology that they don't. It's a matter of judgement just how far we can and should help non-citizens, but I think it's hard to argue that we shouldn't do it at all.

I think it's hard to defend "we only care about our citizens" from any kind of Biblical standpoint. Of course we're not a Christian country, but our non-Christians generally seem more willing than many of our Christians to be generous. That seems like sort of a scandal.

variant said:

So, you're against humanitarian ideals then?

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I didn't know that calling others cruel and racist makes one a humanitarian, and I'm speaking collectively not pointing at you. But when any want to call it racist & cruel, then I expect that every room of your homes are filled with the homeless, mentally ill, elderly, homeless veterans , all manner of people who are living on the street and you all will dutifully hand over your pay checks weekly to pay for all those who want to come to the USA for medical care.
Lead the way , show us by example, not by finger-pointing, BE the Change you want to see.

Pedra said:

I didn't know that calling others cruel and racist makes one a humanitarian. I expect that every room of your home is filled with the homeless, mentally ill, elderly, homeless veterans , all manner of people who are living on the street and you will hand over your pay checks weekly to pay for all those who want to come to the USA for medical care.
Lead the way , show us by example, not by finger-pointing, BE the Change you want to see.

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This is a gross mischaracterisation,

One side is saying that they are happy for their taxes to contribute towards medical care for people regardless if those people are citizens, tourists or immigrants (legal or otherwise), regardless if those people are law abiding or criminal. They are saying that for people in the country that are in immediate need of treatment, then they are happy that taxes go towards saving those people's lives.

This is a far cry from saying that those people should be put up in the individual tax payer's own house, which is not equipped for such services and care. The tax payer is willing to pay taxes for this purpose, and are willing to allow these people access to that tax funded care.

Pedra said:

I didn't know that calling others cruel and racist makes one a humanitarian, and I'm speaking collectively not pointing at you.

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Well yeah, since I didn't call anyone racist.

But when any want to call it racist & cruel, then I expect that every room of your homes are filled with the homeless, mentally ill, elderly, homeless veterans , all manner of people who are living on the street and you all will dutifully hand over your pay checks weekly to pay for all those who want to come to the USA for medical care.
Lead the way , show us by example, not by finger-pointing, BE the Change you want to see.

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Well your argument is pretty weird for a couple of reasons. The first being the people who wanted to help these folks by treating their serious medical conditions can't if they are being kicked out of the country. (what were actually talking about).

And the idea that you can only be against that if you are literally hosting people in your home is crazy.

The idea that no one holding such a position is making an effort to help those in need is also just plain false.

So, maybe you should simply find a better argument for your cruel position. This justification just rings odd.

stevil said:

This is a gross mischaracterisation,

One side is saying that they are happy for their taxes to contribute towards medical care for people regardless if those people are citizens, tourists or immigrants (legal or otherwise), regardless if those people are law abiding or criminal. They are saying that for people in the country that are in immediate need of treatment, then they are happy that taxes go towards saving those people's lives.

This is a far cry from saying that those people should be put up in the individual tax payer's own house, which is not equipped for such services and care. The tax payer is willing to pay taxes for this purpose, and are willing to allow these people access to that tax funded care.

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All I've read for two pages is mostly the typical slandering of Trump & those who support his policies and accusing them of having racist & cruel motives.
What I'm saying is real humanitarians are those that do humanitarian acts , not those who just kvetch about others.
Why wait for the Government to make you, take 25% of your income now, and put it to humanitarian cause. Or take all the people that you pass on the street that are in need and provide them with a home , medical care and hot meal. Bring in the sick from other countries and pay for their medical bills.

It's pretty simple. If you favor literally deporting kids with cancer, you're probably a pretty cruel person.

Pedra said:

All I've read for two pages is mostly the typical slandering of Trump & those who support his policies and accusing them of having racist & cruel motives.

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No, actually, this thread has been about this specific change in policy. It's about people's reaction to throwing sick immigrant kids out of hospitals and telling them to leave the country.
The focus is this change in policy and the cruelty of it, rather than an overall judgement of Trump and his supporters.

Pedra said:

What I'm saying is real humanitarians are those that do humanitarian acts , not those who just kvetch about others.

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This thread isn't about defining humanitarians and telling people that they must be humanitarians. This is a mischaracterisation and it is taking things to the extreme.

People here are saying that they are emotionally and ethically uncomfortable with throwing sick kids out of hospitals. That is a far cry from them proclaiming themselves as humanitarians.

Pedra said:

oh pahlese

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Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter.

What a powerful condemnation of a lot of Trump's orders especially this one! Thank you.

SummerMadness said:

so trying to make it seem like you're paying for some ne'er do-well loafers is inaccurate

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Failure to communicate I guess....all the people I was referring to in my posts are needy --PERIOD, they are just as worthy of being helped like anyone else, they are all over our community and they are hardly what I'd call ne're do wells or loafers.
My other point which you misconstrued is that I figure if individuals point to themselves as having humanitarian ideals they should lead the way.
Pointing at others as racist does not contribute one iota, it is just negative, and divisive.
It is not a virtuous pass time in my opinion.

JackRT said:

Isaiah 5:20 "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who turn darkness to light and light to darkness, who replace bitter with sweet and sweet with bitter.
What a powerful condemnation of a lot of Trump's orders especially this one! Thank you.

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No offence but I've never agreed with your views on any thread.
The LORD God inspired it and knows exactly who this scripture applies to.

SummerMadness said:

Racism is not mentioned in any posts in this thread. And if your post does not reflect the person in this story, then it's really just an off-topic distraction.

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It's mentioned in post number 2. But that doesn't mean that all those opposing this policy change think the same way as poster number 2.

Pedra said:

I"m sure all the humanitarian folks here have filled every room of their houses or apartments with the drug addicts, the sick, elderly, mentally ill and homeless? and are willing to pay for the medical expenses of others from around the world who would like to come to the USA for treatment?

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I opened my home to a single mother and to a troubled teen who had nowhere else to go.

I bought a car for a single mother and I took her back and forth to work everyday before that.

I took care of her children while she was at work, as well as taking care of my own children.

I paid the medical bills for an unwed mother and I helped her find a home for her baby.

I donate every month to Compassion International and I have done so for many years.

My family and I sponsor one little boy and two little girls from three different countries.

My children and I volunteer at the local food bank, the soup kitchen, and Meals on Wheels.

My children and I volunteer mowing the lawn for our elderly neighbors and we visit shut-ins.

I could go because I have much more to share about my personal humanitarian efforts.

WHAT ABOUT YOU?