Marriage in Heaven and Beyond

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"I don't think you have answered my question, however, by the abundance of your words. It seems, following the logic of what you said, that as we come from Christ, and Eve came from Adam, then Eve was both the "child" of Adam and his wife."

Eve was made from a part of Adam but Eve was CREATED by God, using that part, to be the complement of Adam, corresponding directly to him, as another human being, so no, it is illogical to say Eve was a child of Adam.

That was my point of quoting Gen 2:23: this at last is bone of my bone & flesh of my flesh... and in showing that Paul used that to describe Christ & the church: 'of His bone & of His flesh.'

You might want to read the context of the following verses: I Cor 6:12-20. The earthly marriage relationship is not in view here, either of a husband or a wife. It is talking about the kingdom of God & the members of Christ making right decisions, in terms of legal issues or turning from sinful practices or fleeing from fornication because we are a temple of God, with the living God indwelling & making His habitation in us.

The very illustration of one flesh is used in this passage, but in a negative sense of committing fornication with a prostitute. Since we are one spirit with Christ & members of His, that includes our spirit & our body & both are to be holy before the Lord. Our bodies are the temple of the Lord & indwelt by the HOLY Spirit. To be one flesh with 'strange' flesh makes us no longer one spirit with the Lord, united to Him in holiness. The temple is defiled. The body is not meant for fornication but for the Lord.

I hope that brings more clarification.
 
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so ... regarding animals .... those that did not survive the flood were the land animals. What did survive were the birds and the ocean creatures (and those on the ark).

Those are interesting thoughts, but, at this time I don't see the Scriptures saying we spend a thousand years in heaven. That means, Adam will have been in heaven 8,000 years by then.

God created the Earth for man to inhabit, not heaven.

Isa_45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

A thousand years in heaven makes no sense. When Christ returns to the Mt. of Olives, we will be caught up with him, and given our glorified bodies at that moment, in my reading of the Scriptures. Heaven is a spiritual domain and man was made to live in a physical domain. Yes, two physical men are in heaven right now, Elijah and Enoch, but they are special cases.

But, as I said, I had never heard that view before, and it is something to think about further.
 
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Those are interesting thoughts, but, at this time I don't see the Scriptures saying we spend a thousand years in heaven. That means, Adam will have been in heaven 8,000 years by then.

God created the Earth for man to inhabit, not heaven.

Isa_45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

A thousand years in heaven makes no sense. When Christ returns to the Mt. of Olives, we will be caught up with him, and given our glorified bodies at that moment, in my reading of the Scriptures. Heaven is a spiritual domain and man was made to live in a physical domain. Yes, two physical men are in heaven right now, Elijah and Enoch, but they are special cases.

But, as I said, I had never heard that view before, and it is something to think about further.

Heaven is a spiritual domain and man was made to live in a physical domain.

and when He returns, we will be changed and given spiritual bodies.

1 John 3:2

Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we shall be. We know that, when He appears, we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him just as He is.

At the transfiguration, Jesus shone with a bright light.

Matthew 17:2

And He was transfigured before them; and His face shone like the sun, and His garments became as white as light.

1 Corinthians 15:44

It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body.

The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections. During this time the wicked dead will be judged; the earth will be utterly desolate, without living human inhabitants, but occupied by Satan and his angels (nobody to tempt, "in prison" - bound) .

At its close, Christ with His saints and the Holy City will descend from heaven to earth. The unrighteous dead will then be resurrected, and with Satan and his angels will surround the city; but fire from God will consume them and cleanse the earth. The universe will thus be freed of sin and sinners forever. Revelation 20
1 Corinthians 6:2, 3 Jeremiah 4:23-26
Revelation 21:1-5 Malachi 4:1 Ezekiel 28:18, 19

A thousand years in heaven makes no sense.

1st Corinthians 6

Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

Satan and his minions Bound to the desolate earth for the 1,000 years - nobody to tempt

Revelation 20

1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3And he threw him into the *Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.

*Abyss ... same condition as described in Genesis, before creation.

Genesis 1:2

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

the deep - Hebrew meaning (Strongs)

tehom: deep, sea, abyss
Original Word: תְּהוֹם
Part of Speech: Noun
Transliteration: tehom
Phonetic Spelling: (teh-home')
Definition: deep, sea, abyss

confusion, empty place, without form, nothing, vain, vanity, waste,

Then the 2nd resurrection happens - after the 1,000 years.

That means, Adam will have been in heaven 8,000 years by then.

So, evidentially you believe when one dies they go to heaven or hell? Rather than resting in the grave until the Lord returns?

We are sort of getting off topic .... common to do ;o)

So, back to the OP, no there will be no marriage in heaven ... Jesus is clear on that point.

Matthew 22:30

For when the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage. In this respect they will be like the angels in heaven.

Luke 17:27 - Jesus speaking

27 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27 People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came
and destroyed them all.
 
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The millennium is the thousand-year reign of Christ with His saints in heaven between the first and second resurrections
It still makes no sense. Christ has already been reigning in heaven since his resurrection. What kind of reign is it in heaven? There is no evil, nothing to control. It will be on Earth where unregenerates are still born and need to be taught Christ.
 
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It still makes no sense. Christ has already been reigning in heaven since his resurrection. What kind of reign is it in heaven? There is no evil, nothing to control. It will be on Earth where unregenerates are still born and need to be taught Christ.

Does not our Lord intervene (reign) from His heavenly throne? Hasn't He always done this ... even before coming to earth in the form of a man?

Of course He has.

John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.

He IS God.

He has always reigned and always will.

Hebrews 1:3

He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high

It will be on Earth where unregenerates are still born and need to be taught Christ.

This is going on now ...and will continue, until He returns.

One day He will see this .... (that everyone has made their choices)

Revelation 22

10Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of prophecy in this book, because the time is near.11Let the unrighteous continue to be unrighteous, and the vile continue to be vile; let the righteous continue to practice righteousness, and the holy continue to be holy.”

12Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to each one according to what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”

Psalm 47:8
God reigns over the nations; God sits on his holy throne.

Psalm 93:1-5
The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved. Your throne is established from of old; you are from everlasting.

Isaiah 52:7-10
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him who brings good news, who publishes peace, who brings good news of happiness, who publishes salvation, who says to Zion, “Your God reigns.”
 
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Does not our Lord intervene (reign) from His heavenly throne? Hasn't He always done this ... even before coming to earth in the form of a man?
How, then, do the saints of God rule the Earth from Heaven?
 
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In Matthew 22 the Saducees (who don't believe in a resurrection) tried to entrap Jesus with their question (regarding 7 brothers dying and the wife being passed down the line until she died) whose wife would she be in the resurrection? Jesus bypassed the trap by saying they did not know the Scriptures nor the power of God.

Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.​

He did not say we were angels, but that we were "as" the angels in neither marrying nor being given in marriage.

For the longest time I considered this a settled question. We not marry in the Kingdom of God. However, I have recently rethought the issue. Three points instigates my reconsideration.

  1. When we marry in this life, we become one flesh. Obviously, apart from intercourse, we are not physically one flesh. This must mean we are joined in spirit and soul. (Eph. 5:31)
  2. When a believer is born again, we become come joined to the Lord in our spirit (1 Cor. 6:17). This is the essence of true marriage. And is stronger than biology, since the spirit is greater than material since God is a Spirit.
  3. So, being married in the Lord to our spouse makes us one spirit, can this union be broken. Romans 7:2 talks about the covenant of marriage being broken when a spouse dies, but spiritual union is not the same as legal union.

So the point of reconsideration is this: Jesus said we are neither marry nor are given in marriage, but he did not say those who are married are no longer married in the new life.

I am not convinced yet of my own reasoning, but I am still meditating on the topic and would love to hear what other's have to say about it. Thank you for your feed back.

The answer for me is intimacy. With Christ there is no less intimacy with others as there would be with a spouse. We live in a community of service and worship of the Lord and we are one in purpose and mind. Rather than our oneness in marriage being diminished, we are now part of the Kingdom of heaven, where boundaries and trust are now bounded with care and love.

Relationships are not sexual but founded on love and respect. Marriage is about family and building a foundation for the protection and bringing up a family. This unit is no longer relevant, so the distinction will also disappear.
 
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How, then, do the saints of God rule the Earth from Heaven?

He reigns (is king) and we are with Him.

Where does is say in the New Testament that the righteous and the wicked will live together after Christ's second coming? To the contrary, in His parable of the sheep and the goats, Jesus said that at His second coming the righteous and the wicked will be separated from each other "as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats" Matthew 25:32 see also Matthew 13:40-43

The righteous, on the other hand, will be in heaven, and Revelation 20 says that they will be "given authority to judge. . . . They will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years" Revelation 20:4-6

Other verses in the New Testament give us some idea of the nature of this judgment. Paul said that "the saints will judge the world" and "we will judge angels" 1 Corinthians 6:2- 3. Also, Jesus said that "when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" Matthew 19:28. In this verse, Jesus combined both the idea of reigning with Him and judging that John spoke about in Revelation 20:4.
 
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The answer for me is intimacy. With Christ there is no less intimacy with others as there would be with a spouse. We live in a community of service and worship of the Lord and we are one in purpose and mind. Rather than our oneness in marriage being diminished, we are now part of the Kingdom of heaven, where boundaries and trust are now bounded with care and love.

Relationships are not sexual but founded on love and respect. Marriage is about family and building a foundation for the protection and bringing up a family. This unit is no longer relevant, so the distinction will also disappear.

I like your thinking, but I believe it still goes further.

Psa 127:1 A Song of degrees for Solomon. Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.​

The body of Christ, as the temple of God is the house the Lord is building. Houses are not a pile of bricks. Houses have bricks laid out in a pattern so that each brick supports the other bricks. Marriage and family is the cornerstone of the Church of God. In a godly marriage, the Lord chooses the spouses for each other. If God is building his own house, and he chooses who marries who, is God only concerned with this life? God looks at eternity. He builds relationships in this life for the purpose of the everlasting life to come. This is why I think it might be possible that spouses joined in the Lord remain joined together in eternity.
 
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He reigns (is king) and we are with Him.

Where does is say in the New Testament that the righteous and the wicked will live together after Christ's second coming? To the contrary, in His parable of the sheep and the goats, Jesus said that at His second coming the righteous and the wicked will be separated from each other "as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats" Matthew 25:32 see also Matthew 13:40-43

The righteous, on the other hand, will be in heaven, and Revelation 20 says that they will be "given authority to judge. . . . They will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years" Revelation 20:4-6

Other verses in the New Testament give us some idea of the nature of this judgment. Paul said that "the saints will judge the world" and "we will judge angels" 1 Corinthians 6:2- 3. Also, Jesus said that "when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" Matthew 19:28. In this verse, Jesus combined both the idea of reigning with Him and judging that John spoke about in Revelation 20:4.
Thank you for your point of view. As I have said, 1 thousand years in heaven is a new point of view. You might be right, but it still does not sit well in my spirit. Perhaps the Lord will show me more on this in the future. I had followed the rabbit trail with you but it is off topic of my post. My meditation is on marriage in the kingdom to come.
 
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Thank you for your point of view. As I have said, 1 thousand years in heaven is a new point of view. You might be right, but it still does not sit well in my spirit. Perhaps the Lord will show me more on this in the future. I had followed the rabbit trail with you but it is off topic of my post. My meditation is on marriage in the kingdom to come.

Yes ... sorry about getting off topic ... happens a lot.

God Bless.
 
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