Why are animal sacrifices done in the Millennial Temple

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There is no reason to believe the 1000 years in Rev. is not literal.

Rather, we have every reason to believe such:

The Bible itself proves there is no literal, FUTURE, earthly millennium. The "evidence" is in the apostolic eschatological doctrine that prohibits any view of the "millennium" that portrays it as a future, literal, earthly epoch. A simple examination of the NT epistles shows that there is no future historical "thousand-years" period. We know this with certainty, for the apostles explicitly identified the precise timing of the resurrection, the judgment, and the New Heaven/Earth -- they all occur at the coming of Jesus Christ, thus proving that there is no literal "thousand years" that separates these events out over time.

(1) The resurrection occurs at the coming of Christ (1 Cor 15:23)

(2) The judgment occurs at the coming of Christ (2 Tim 4:1; Rev 11:15-18)

(3) The "New Heavens/Earth" occurs at the coming of Christ -- i.e., the "thief's coming," the "day of the Lord" (2 Pet 3:10/1 Thess 5:2)

These key eschatological events all occur at the precice moment of the coming of Jesus Christ. THEREFORE, as the apostles themselves understood, there is no literal, historic millennium separating them.
 
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There may be a type in Saul's errors of sacrifice and impatience in 1 Samuel 13-15. So Paul became Saul (again)! Possibly?

Nobody can do the Nazirite vow like Sampson though!
lol that thought has passed my mind more than once. Nazarite’s time in God’s economy OT times ended at the inauguration of Kingship, (other than the prophets) and started again with John the Baptist so is completely in effect for those who follow Jesus of Nazareth.
 
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Not so. That belief is based on the opinion that ALL animal sacrifices were for sin offerings. NOT SO at all.

Ezekiel's so called "millennial temple" sacrifices, are most certainly sin offerings:

Ezekiel 40:39
In the porch of the gate were two tables on each side, on which to slaughter the burnt offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering.

Ezekiel 42:13
the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering;

Ezekiel 43:20
'You shall take some of its blood and put it on its four horns and on the four corners of the ledge and on the border round about; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it. (Memorial Atonement?)

Ezekiel 43:21
'You shall also take the bull for the sin offering

Ezekiel 43:22
'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering

Ezekiel 43:27
'When they have completed the days, it shall be that on the eighth day and onward, the priests shall offer your burnt offerings on the altar, and your peace offerings; AND I WILL ACCEPT YOU

Ezekiel 44:10
"But the Levites who went far from Me when Israel went astray, who went astray from Me after their idols, shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having oversight at the gates of the house and ministering in the house; they shall slaughter the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people

This poses an insurmountable conundrum for the Christian who insists this describes a future to us reality.
 
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Just read the scripture and don't settle on anything without checking other translations too. Dispensationalism does not come from scripture. It is a theory based on what would happen IF there were a gap of thousands of years between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks. From there they cut scripture from its context and paint in what they want it to say, rather than going by what it actually says.

The hermeneutics you are using is not found in scripture either!

The fact is, just as with the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you are twisting the Word of God to mean what you want it to say rather than what it does say.

In this case, the literal is spiritual. How convenient for you considering you have no proof of such. Nor is there any grounds whatsoever to make that claim.

Unless of course, if you have an agenda against Gods plan for Israel.
 
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Then why was the HS telling him all the way along to Jerusalem not to go. Why? because it doesn’t fit your tight little box of what the HS can and cannot do.
PS, not meant on a personal note @Dave-W because I know you agree if perhaps not knowing the reason why ...
 
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Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

“I, John, your brother and fellow partaker in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance which are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” Revelation 1:9 (NASB95)
so you're Preteristic?
 
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Here's what it means;

The angel = Greek for messenger

the chain = the message (gospel); The gospel sent to the whole world.

the 1000 years = Satan bound from deceiving the elect. The saints rule over him. the 1000 years end = Satan loosed.

Note the 1000 years are not the kingdom. It is still here when the 1000 years end. Satan attacks the kingdom when they end and he is loosed.

Satan loosed = the Post Christian era (we now live in = immanent return of Christ) the gospel message falls on deaf ears, the world assails the Church from all quarters ushering in the end.

“Jesus said, “This voice has not come for my benefit but for yours. Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out.” (John 12:30–31)


Here's what it means;

The angel = Greek for messenger

the chain = the message (gospel); The gospel sent to the whole world.

the 1000 years = Satan bound from deceiving the elect. The saints rule over him. the 1000 years end = Satan loosed.

Note the 1000 years are not the kingdom. It is still here when the 1000 years end. Satan attacks the kingdom when they end and he is loosed.

Satan loosed = the Post Christian era (we now live in = immanent return of Christ) the gospel message falls on deaf ears, the world assails the Church from all quarters ushering in the end.

“Jesus said, “This voice has not come for my benefit but for yours. Now is the judgment of this world; now the ruler of this world will be driven out.” (John 12:30–31)

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLY UNTO JEHOVAH; and the pots in Jehovah's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holy unto Jehovah of hosts; and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and boil therein: and in that day there shall be no more a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of hosts.

The Prophet Zechariah's interpretation of some of the events that have been taking place year after year as the Gentile nations go up to Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles and worship of King Messiah who rules on His Throne at this time.

I have been so blessed on seeing all the nations that attacked Israel coming up year after year. All the nations that attacked her but wasn't Rome the only nation that came against Israel in 70 AD?

How wonderful seeing everything marked Holy to the Lord Israel finally having become the Royal nation of priests.

We also had the return of the Lord to the Mount of Olives splitting it in two with the faithful remnant using it to escape. The great earthquake caused by the Mount of Olives splitting half to the north and half to the south. In the not too distant past new fault lines have been found running under Jerusalem. More topographical changes will also take place the birth pains of Messiah that have not happened.
 
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God gave this vision to Ezekiel as a reminder to Israel what might have been if they remained in Him.
Did they remain obedient? No. This is only a description of a temple to the house of Israel in order to shame them into repentance. They did not repent. This was never built and will never be built. The temple is now within each and every person in the Body of Christ.
“Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple” (Ezek. 43:10–11).

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLY UNTO JEHOVAH; and the pots in Jehovah's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holy unto Jehovah of hosts; and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and boil therein: and in that day there shall be no more a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of hosts.

some of the problems of denying the Millennial Reign and temple sacrifice. If these things have not taken place then the vision which must have a literal fulfillment or Zechariah would have to be a false prophet.
 
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Yes Dave, thanks for the reference, I hadn't compared them closely. It seems there was a procedural difference in Paul's case. We might speculate as to why this occurred, whether it was a customary variation by the oral tradition and so on. Nevertheless, there it is.
It looks to me like your original analysis is correct. Paul had not offered sacrifices nor shaved his head when the crowd seized him:

Act 21:23 You must therefore do what we tell you. Four men among us have made a solemn promise. 24 Take them with you, go through the purification ritual with them, and pay the cost of having their heads shaved. Everyone will know there is nothing to those reports about you but that you too live a life in keeping with the Law.

26 The following day Paul took the men with him and went through the purification ritual with them. He entered the temple and publicly announced the completion of the days of purification, when the offering would be presented for each one of them. 27 When the seven days of purification were almost over, the Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul in the temple. Grabbing him, they threw the whole crowd into confusion by shouting,

In numbers 6:13-21, "When the term as a nazirite is completed, the person will be brought to the entrance of the meeting tent 14 and offer a gift to the Lord."

During the ceremony, "The nazirite will shave his ordained head at the meeting tent’s entrance, take the hair from his ordained head, and put it in the fire under the well-being sacrifice."

At the end of the ritual, "Then the priest will raise them as an uplifted offering before the Lord; they are holy to the priest, with the breast of the uplifted offering and the thigh of the gift offering. After this the nazirite may drink wine," and the person is not a Nazirite any longer.

Paul had gone through the purification and was about to go through the ritual when the crowds seized him.
 
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Ezekiel's so called "millennial temple" sacrifices, are most certainly sin offerings:

Ezekiel 40:39
In the porch of the gate were two tables on each side, on which to slaughter the burnt offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering.

Ezekiel 42:13
the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering;

Ezekiel 43:20
'You shall take some of its blood and put it on its four horns and on the four corners of the ledge and on the border round about; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it. (Memorial Atonement?)

Ezekiel 43:21
'You shall also take the bull for the sin offering

Ezekiel 43:22
'On the second day you shall offer a male goat without blemish for a sin offering

Ezekiel 43:27
'When they have completed the days, it shall be that on the eighth day and onward, the priests shall offer your burnt offerings on the altar, and your peace offerings; AND I WILL ACCEPT YOU

Ezekiel 44:10
"But the Levites who went far from Me when Israel went astray, who went astray from Me after their idols, shall bear the punishment for their iniquity. Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having oversight at the gates of the house and ministering in the house; they shall slaughter the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people

This poses an insurmountable conundrum for the Christian who insists this describes a future to us reality.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLY UNTO JEHOVAH; and the pots in Jehovah's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holy unto Jehovah of hosts; and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and boil therein: and in that day there shall be no more a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of hosts.

Hi, do these things from the Prophet Zechariah 14 present any problems for those who do not believe in a Millennial Reign and Temple? Those who do not believe there is still future prophecies waiting to be fulfilled, like the topographical changes that must take place, turn the Prophets into history books. IMHO
 
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Scripture tells us that the Millennial Temple will once again have animal sacrifices. Your thoughts

Good question...... on one level you may wish to read about the near death experiences of people with previous deceased pets...... they are fascinating and indicate that death as viewed from the point of view of G-d..... or of the animals being sacrificed... .is very different than how we view their deaths.

On another level........ this is evidence for the power of the words and ideas spoken to Moses.... who was involved in a major step toward the restoration of what Adam and Eve lost in Eden.

The millennial world will be utopian...... but people will by then understand how the sacrifice of Messiah Yeshua -Jesus on our behalf made that possible.
 
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Those who do not believe there is still future prophecies waiting to be fulfilled, like the topographical changes that must take place, turn the Prophets into history books. IMHO

Only when you flat out ignore the precedent set in the OT for the usage of this language could you arrive at the conclusion these things could NOT have already taken place.

Yahweh's various day-of-the-Lord judgments were signaled by the prophets with common apocalyptic language that consists of common apocalyptic idioms and metaphoric doom language. See these fulfilled prophecies and note the common apocalyptic metaphors in each:

*Micah 1:1-9 -- Assyrian conquest of Samaria and Jerusalem
*Nahum 1:1-8 -- Nineveh's doom
*Zephaniah 1:1-10,14-18 -- Judgment against Judah
*2 Samuel 22:8-16 -- the destruction of Saul's kingdom
*Ezekiel 32:1-12 -- Judgment against Egypt by Babylon

In each of these fulfilled passages, we read all of the common apocalyptic metaphors to describe Jehovah's comings:

*the destruction of earth
*the bowing of the heavens
*the melting of the mountains like wax
*the blackening of the sun, moon, and stars
*the wiping away of every living thing
*blood as high as the mountains
*the burning of the earth and all that dwell in it (at His presence)
*Etc. etc.

This is known as APOCALYPTIC LANGUAGE, which is used by the prophets to foretell the downfall of nations and individuals by God in history. It is uniquely apocalyptic and hyperbolic in nature. So also Christ, being of this well-known prophetic tradition, used the same apocalyptic language to foretell the downfall of Israel at her greatest Day of the Lord judgment at AD 66-70 (e.g., compare Matthew 24:29-30to Isaiah 13:10-11 concerning Babylon and Ezekiel 32:7-8 concerning Nebuchadnezzar and Egypt.)

We have no scriptural instruction to interpret the OT phrases "God rides a swift cloud" and was "seen by the eyes of All Nations" as Metaphor in the OT, yet apply a polar opposite, Hyper-Literal interpretation to the Near verbatim NT phrase "He is coming on the clouds and every eye shall see"

We have no scriptural instruction to interpret this OT prophesy about the Ancient Assyrian conquest of Jerusalem and Samaria as Metaphor:
The mountains will melt under Him,
And the valleys will split
Like wax before the fire,
Like waters poured down a steep place.


Yet interpret this NT prophesy "Hyper-Literally":
Revelation
16:20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

It is ONLY the later added, fallible traditions of men that support such a hyper literal rendering of this language, as NOTHING in scripture supports it.
Nothing at all.
 
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16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations that came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso of [all] the families of the earth goeth not up unto Jerusalem to worship the King, Jehovah of hosts, upon them there shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, neither [shall it be] upon them; there shall be the plague wherewith Jehovah will smite the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all the nations that go not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLY UNTO JEHOVAH; and the pots in Jehovah's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holy unto Jehovah of hosts; and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and boil therein: and in that day there shall be no more a Canaanite in the house of Jehovah of hosts.

The Prophet Zechariah's interpretation of some of the events that have been taking place year after year as the Gentile nations go up to Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles and worship of King Messiah who rules on His Throne at this time.

I have been so blessed on seeing all the nations that attacked Israel coming up year after year. All the nations that attacked her but wasn't Rome the only nation that came against Israel in 70 AD?

How wonderful seeing everything marked Holy to the Lord Israel finally having become the Royal nation of priests.

We also had the return of the Lord to the Mount of Olives splitting it in two with the faithful remnant using it to escape. The great earthquake caused by the Mount of Olives splitting half to the north and half to the south. In the not too distant past new fault lines have been found running under Jerusalem. More topographical changes will also take place the birth pains of Messiah that have not happened.
If you rule out the millennium, which was the Pharisee's understanding of prophecy. Which Jesus clearly taught against, all prophecy fits into the New Covenant era or into the restoration of Israel that happens on the last day. That is, in the resurrection(the restoration of Israel i.e. Believers in Christ) into the new heavens and earth.
 
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The hermeneutics you are using is not found in scripture either!

The fact is, just as with the baptism of the Holy Spirit, you are twisting the Word of God to mean what you want it to say rather than what it does say.

In this case, the literal is spiritual. How convenient for you considering you have no proof of such. Nor is there any grounds whatsoever to make that claim.

Unless of course, if you have an agenda against Gods plan for Israel.
So scripture doesn't say what it says?
 
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Scripture tells us that the Millennial Temple will once again have animal sacrifices. Your thoughts
Seems the controversy of preteritism versus dispensationalism is more interesting to readers. Vicky, I have read Ezekiel many times, and the same question is in my mind. Currently I am in between the two doctrines. But it seems that animal sacrifice will be resumed for the same reason they were begun: to teach people of their need for atonement. In my imagination of the future, Jesus and the saints are on Earth in glorified bodies with no need for sacrifice, but there will be multitudes born in mortality. With Christ ruling a perfect, peaceful world, there will be no crime, so no understanding of sin. When Satan is loosed at the end of the 1,000 years, people will suddenly become aware of their sinful natures. The light will go on in those whose hearts are after God that they need atonement of which the sacrifices were teaching. They then would have a saving faith in the death and resurrection of Christ for their sins. Those whose hearts were never after God, but only obeyed because they had to, will side with Satan and be vanquished.
 
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Writing of the very end times, Isaiah quotes God as saying this about gentiles:

Isa 66:21 I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites,” says the Lord.
Ok, let me take a look >

Yes, He says He will take priests and Levites, and their name will remain >

"as the new heavens and the new earth" "shall remain".

But it does not say "while" the new heavens and new earth remain. I just noticed this.
 
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