UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson calls on Germany and France to compromise on Brexit

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But I've been reading some articles that suggest Marcon might not be willing to grant it.

He will if that's what it comes down to. As he has said himself he's just trying to be upfront, he'd rather get it over with one way or another so that he can focus on other issues he sees as more important. Merkel will talk him round however. Macron is keen to move the EU forward on new and existing projects, Merkel is a little more circumspect and presumably her replacement will be, as Germany seems like it could be on the cusp of a recession.
 
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The fact that he is seeking 'legal advice' means he knows parliament will attempt to stop him.

Ironic, as Brexiteers consistently said during the referendum that 'parliament should govern us - not the EU'. As soon as parliament tries to stop a no deal Brexit (the will of the vast majority of the electorate) Brexiteers try to shut them up! How democratic is that?
Government plans to suspend parliament with new Queen's speech on 14 October – Politics live
Parliament is to be prorogued.
 
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Not necessarily - to quote John Berkov just now, "Shutting down Parliament would be an offence against the democratic process and the rights of Parliamentarians as the people’s elected representatives,"

“Surely at this early stage in his premiership, the prime minister should be seeking to establish rather than undermine his democratic credentials and indeed his commitment to Parliamentary democracy."

Also, Labour MP for Edinburgh South Ian Murray says MPs and peers will consider seeking an interim interdict to stop prorogation.

According to BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg, "This fight is going to be legal as well as political in next few weeks."

Tory MPs are also saying that this is a shameful move and parliament will not stand for it.

I can see how the far-right are trying to take over our democracy. They have been on the rise ever since that referendum. Thankfully, we are still democratic and Johnson, Farage and their ilk will be prevented from dragging us out of the EU against our will.
 
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Not necessarily - to quote John Berkov just now, "Shutting down Parliament would be an offence against the democratic process and the rights of Parliamentarians as the people’s elected representatives,"

“Surely at this early stage in his premiership, the prime minister should be seeking to establish rather than undermine his democratic credentials and indeed his commitment to Parliamentary democracy."

Also, Labour MP for Edinburgh South Ian Murray says MPs and peers will consider seeking an interim interdict to stop prorogation.

According to BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg, "This fight is going to be legal as well as political in next few weeks."

Tory MPs are also saying that this is a shameful move and parliament will not stand for it.

I can see how the far-right are trying to take over our democracy. They have been on the rise ever since that referendum. Thankfully, we are still democratic and Johnson, Farage and their ilk will be prevented from dragging us out of the EU against our will.
Except that the courts are extremely unlikely to step in to prevent it. A no confidence vote next week is likely, and as the past 3 years have conclusively proven, the remain side will not be able to agree on anything. Corbyn will support a general election vote, as he has consistently stated for the past few years.

The polls are a landslide victory for the tories.
 
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Not necessarily - to quote John Berkov just now, "Shutting down Parliament would be an offence against the democratic process and the rights of Parliamentarians as the people’s elected representatives,"

“Surely at this early stage in his premiership, the prime minister should be seeking to establish rather than undermine his democratic credentials and indeed his commitment to Parliamentary democracy."

Also, Labour MP for Edinburgh South Ian Murray says MPs and peers will consider seeking an interim interdict to stop prorogation.

According to BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg, "This fight is going to be legal as well as political in next few weeks."

Tory MPs are also saying that this is a shameful move and parliament will not stand for it.

I can see how the far-right are trying to take over our democracy. They have been on the rise ever since that referendum. Thankfully, we are still democratic and Johnson, Farage and their ilk will be prevented from dragging us out of the EU against our will.

What a mess. Feeling more sympathetic towards Cromwell recently.
 
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Not necessarily - to quote John Berkov just now, "Shutting down Parliament would be an offence against the democratic process and the rights of Parliamentarians as the people’s elected representatives,"

“Surely at this early stage in his premiership, the prime minister should be seeking to establish rather than undermine his democratic credentials and indeed his commitment to Parliamentary democracy."

Also, Labour MP for Edinburgh South Ian Murray says MPs and peers will consider seeking an interim interdict to stop prorogation.

According to BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg, "This fight is going to be legal as well as political in next few weeks."

Tory MPs are also saying that this is a shameful move and parliament will not stand for it.

I can see how the far-right are trying to take over our democracy. They have been on the rise ever since that referendum. Thankfully, we are still democratic and Johnson, Farage and their ilk will be prevented from dragging us out of the EU against our will.

Nonsense. They don’t care about democracy. They’re the ones who want to stop Parliament from honoring the results of the referendum. They just don’t want Brexit to happen, and they willing to do whatever is necessary to stop it. Apparently the Prime Minister is likewise willing to do what is necessary to push it through. If it is going to come to hardball over Brexit, then both sides can play the game.
 
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Nonsense. They don’t care about democracy. They’re the ones who want to stop Parliament from honoring the results of the referendum. They just don’t want Brexit to happen, and they willing to do whatever is necessary to stop it. Apparently the Prime Minister is likewise willing to do what is necessary to push it through. If it is going to come to hardball over Brexit, then both sides can play the game.
A PM no one voted for, who wants a No Deal Brexit that’s never been on any ballot paper, blocking the very parliamentary sovereignty that Brexit was supposed to be about. Will of the people? Do me a favour.
 
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Nonsense. They don’t care about democracy. They’re the ones who want to stop Parliament from honoring the results of the referendum. They just don’t want Brexit to happen, and they willing to do whatever is necessary to stop it. Apparently the Prime Minister is likewise willing to do what is necessary to push it through. If it is going to come to hardball over Brexit, then both sides can play the game.
Exactly so.

The anti-Brexit crowd has been stalling and stalling. That's why Boris now has the job. He's been abundantly clear that he hopes to strike a deal with the EU, but if the EU wants to continue to play hardball then the UK will separate regardless.
 
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Exactly so.

The anti-Brexit crowd has been stalling and stalling. That's why Boris now has the job. He's been abundantly clear that he hopes to strike a deal with the EU, but if the EU wants to continue to play hardball then the UK will separate regardless.
I think the main problem is that the UK doesn't know what it wants. Especially concerning the border between north ireland and the republic of ireland.

Can you tell us what the UK wants?
 
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I think the main problem is that the UK doesn't know what it wants. Especially concerning the border between north ireland and the republic of ireland.

Can you tell us what the UK wants?
A cup of tea, and an aspirin please.
 
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A PM no one voted for, who wants a No Deal Brexit that’s never been on any ballot paper, blocking the very parliamentary sovereignty that Brexit was supposed to be about. Will of the people? Do me a favour.

Yeah. Some people only respect the democratic process when it aligns with their goals.
 
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Yeah. Some people only respect the democratic process when it aligns with their goals.
Indeed - why else would Johnson deny our elected MPs a voice?

If Boris thought the public supported his No-Deal Brexit, he could hold a referendum to make sure. He knows, or at least suspects, he's acting against the will of the people, as well as Parliament.
 
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Yeah. Some people only respect the democratic process when it aligns with their goals.
That statement makes sense particularly when applied to Tory ministers. This is what they have said before regarding proroguing parliament:

Nicky Morgan: “A mad suggestion”

Matt Hancock: “Undermines democracy”

Michael Gove: “Not true to the best traditions of British democracy”

Amber Rudd: “Outrageous”

Sajid Javid: “Trashing democracy”

It seems that to them, their careers are much more important than respecting parliament, the voice of the people.
 
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Yeah. Some people only respect the democratic process when it aligns with their goals.
Noting that the democratic process led to Boris ... because his predecessors stalled and refused to respect the democratic decision to break away from the EU. Apparently, that decision didn't align with their goals.
 
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Noting that the democratic process led to Boris ... because his predecessors stalled and refused to respect the democratic decision to break away from the EU. Apparently, that decision didn't align with their goals.
Yes Boris leader of the country with less than 1% of the electorate voting for him as leader.
 
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Yes Boris leader of the country with less than 1% of the electorate voting for him as leader.
That's your system ... apparently democratic in some fashion.

Ours is democratic in some fashion as well. Ours is technically a republic, some say that's to slow down the tendency toward 'mob rule' exhibited by pure democracies. It seems that the system in the UK must have similar safeguards, judging from the brakes having been applied to Brexit. Despite those brakes though, the push to Brexit has continued unabated.

Looking at things from this side of the pond, it appears that the UK will soon sever its bonds with the EU. Good on ya'.
 
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