My latest chart (number 3)

Marilyn C said:

Hi Douggg,

While I do agree with some of your points may I suggest you look at the 45 days a bit more.

- You see the A/C is only given 42 months, (1,260 days), (Rev. 13: 5) This is when Jesus returns.

- Also the cleansing of the Temple is at 1,290 days. (Dan. 12: 11)

- Then the extra 45 days, (30 + 15) leads to Adar 2 when there is the celebration of their National Deliverance. It is held on the 15th of Adar in Jerusalem.

Marilyn.

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Hi Marilyn,

I have the cleansing of the temple at the end of the 2300 days, based on Daniel 8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

What does cleansing of the temple actually mean? It means removing those things that will have made it desolate.

There are three things that will make the temple desolate (in chronological order).

1. the Transgression of Desolation act by the Antichrist sitting in the temple

Then added to by:

2. the Abomination of Desolation statue image placed in the temple

Then added to by:

3. the statue image incarnated by Satan.

Those three things are removed the day that Jesus returns. The beast and false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire. The statue image turned to ashes, and Satan cast into the bottomless pit. The 1335 days end on that same day.
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Why do the 1290 days end on the sixth seal day?

Based on the sixth seal, the biggest event since creation - the Revealing of Jesus in great power and glory before the throne of God in heaven, the very universe parted in half. The immensity of that event demands that the 1290 days from when the AoD setup is the countdown to that day. That leaves 45 days until the end of the 1335 days.

The entire universe is going to be shaken and moved aside. The third heaven where God's throne is, is going to take up the sky. It is going to be the most amazing event ever.
It is unmeasurable in it immensity.

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The 42 months you have mentioned is on my second chart, which I have posted before...(you can click on the chart to zoom it in, to make the small print it more readable)

(I note the 42 months next to Day 1263.5)

Marilyn C said:

I believe you need two coordinates to pin point the temple cleansing. Now when the Lord returns and reveals Himself to the people of Israel He will anoint a king plus some priests. (Jer. 30:9, Isa. 66: 21) Then it will be the priests who will perform the ceremony to cleanse the temple.

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That kind of cleansing is because of what the priests do inadvertently, in normal times. The cleansing was not necessary because the temple having been made desolate.

Desolate, in the case of the temple, no praise and worship of the One True God taking place in the temple during that time.

The three things that will make the temple desolate are major. The presence of the Antichrist sitting in the temple. The statue image of the beast placed in the temple.
Satan incarnating that statue image, making it appear to come alive, and worshiped.

BABerean2 said:

Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Mat 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

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What you haven't addressed is the head on the first beast that is mortally wounded and why.

The reason is because the seventh king, after becoming the Antichrist, goes into the temple sits and claims to have achieved God- hood, the ToD act. In Ezekiel 28:1-10, God has the person killed for the action. Then in Isaiah 14:19-20, in disdain for the person, God bring him back to life - which the person then becomes the beast, worshiped for seemingly overcome death. It will be the strong delusion that God sends for people who rather believe a lie than the truth.

I show the transgression of desolation, followed by the abomination of desolation on my chart. Each horizontal line segment represents time passing. One of the critical things you need to do in your eschatology is to know there is a difference between the ToD, transgression of desolation, and the AoD, abomination of desolation.

A few updates to my chart. I added the two witnesses testimony time of 1260 days. And made few cosmetic color highlight changes to easier to distinguish the timeline day from the time durations. In my post below.

BABerean2 said:

"My eschatology objective is I try to understand the prophecies to put them all together into a start to finish scenario where everything fits together. That's the objective for me."

You left out the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:15-18...

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I don't have any of the trumpets on that chart.

But if you look at this other companion chart I made, I show the 7th angel sounding his trumpet. Right after day 1263.5. The judgement of the dead in not on that very day, but is after the final destruction of Satan; the judgement of the dead is at the great white throne judgment.

BABerean2 said:

Because Christ returns in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19, we know the Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.
Your chart seems to deny this fact.

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I have said repeatedly that the straight through reading of Revelation is not in chronological order. How many times do I need to say that over and over? (my venting)

My charts are not based on straight through reading of Revelation chronological order, and doesn't reflect it.

BABerean2 said:

The kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God, and Christ "forever", at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible.
The time of the judgment of the dead occurs also at that time in Revelation 11:18.
Your Bible says the same thing, but that is not what is on your chart.

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The term "are become" in Revelation 11:15, is different than "have become". It indicates a process of taking the kingdoms of this world from under Satan's control, and destroying his kingdom of Mystery Babylon the great.

What "are become" means in Revelation 11:15-19 is the time "has come" for all those things to take place. It doesn't mean those things will be completed that very day. Nor at that very instant.

(a) the time of Judgement for the dead is actually over a thousand years away at the great white throne judgement. And (b) the reward to the prophets and saints to rule with Jesus spans a thousand years, and extends into eternity in Revelation 21.

(c) Destroying them who are destroying the earth, is imo referring to the destruction of Satan and his angels (who have been out to destroy the earth that God created) - which that final judgement on Satan being cast into the lake of fire will be at the end of the thousand years.

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My charts are in accordance with what's in the bible. My charts certainly don't agree with your interpretation(s). My charts were never intended to agree with everyone, nor be acceptable to everyone. Christianity is divided by factions and personal beliefs at varying degrees of odds with one another. It comes out in every thread in this forum and all Christian forums elsewhere.

tranquil said:

This chart is a mess.

The point Barean is trying to make (I think) is that the kingdom of heaven starts at the end of the 2nd woe/ start of the 7th Trumpet - which on your chart you would then have the kingdom of heaven starting in the middle of the '70th week'. (which started last year, btw, but because people insist on a whisked away rapture, etc happening exactly on that day, that marker has sailed by with no one noticing! Gee, how did that happen?)

The very least you could do would be to address the fact that Trumpets come after the Seals.

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Then same message to you that I just wrote to Bab2...

"My charts are in accordance with what's in the bible. My charts certainly don't agree with your interpretation(s). My charts were never intended to agree with everyone, nor be acceptable to everyone. Christianity is divided by factions and personal beliefs at varying degrees of odds with one another. It comes out in every thread in this forum and all Christian forums elsewhere."

The Kingdom of Heaven will be brought from heaven, the day that Jesus returns to this earth from heaven.

Jesus's Return is on day 2520 of the 7 years and is shown on my charts, as the final event of the 7 years.

My charts were never intended to show that trumpets chronologically on a timeline following the events of the seals. Because the trumpet events coincide with all, but the first seal. The events of the 7 seals span the 7 years of the 70th week of Daniel 9.

eleos1954 said:

What is it that signifies the sanctuary be cleansed and what does that mean .... the sanctuary be cleansed. What is it that cleans the sanctuary and what is the result of it being cleansed and where does that fit in ... in your chart?

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Hi eleos,

There will be three things that will make the sanctuary desolate.

1. initially, the Antichrist going into the temple sitting, claiming to have achieved God-hood. The transgression of desolation act. Who after being killed for the act and brought back to life as the beast will continue sitting in the temple, until the day Jesus Returns.

2. After the person has come back to life as the beast, the false prophet will have the image of him made and placed in the temple, the abomination of desolation. The signal for the Jews to flee to the mountains. Initially, the statue image of the beast will be inanimate, just as we would view any statue image today.

3. after the two witnesses are killed, come back to life, and ascend to heaven, the seventh angel sounds his trumpet. And God begins dismantling Satan's kingdom called Mystery Babylon the Great, overshadowing and affecting the nations of the earth. His kingdom gets cast down to earth, and Satan
has a time, times, half time left.

During that period, Satan will be enter the abomination of desolation statue image, making it appear to come alive and speak, and everyone will be required to worship the image.

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Those three things ....(1) the beast, (2) the image of the beast, and (3) Satan....will be removed from the temple. That is what it means by the sanctuary cleansed.

The day that Jesus returns, the (1) beast (and the false prophet) will be cast alive in the lake of fire.

And also at that time, (2) the outer facade of the abomination of desolation statue image will be reduced to ashes, exposing Satan in plain view. (3) Satan will be bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit.

I have a thread on the abomination of desolation turned to ashes, based Ezekiel 28:16-19, which in those verses, God declares the end of Satan's terror in this current age.

Futurist Only - The abomination of desolation turned to ashes

On this chart, at the bottom, I noted those three things. Whether the temple, cleansed of those three things, means that particular structure will continue into the millennium - imo, I don't think so. I think there will be a new glorious temple built.

BABerean2 said:

You have ignored the Second Coming of Christ found at the end of Revelation chapter 6.
Those present would not be hiding from the wrath of the Lamb, unless the Lamb is present at this point in time. There are signs in the sun, moon, and stars, just as there are in the Olivet Discourse, at the Second Coming of Christ.

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The sign of the Son of Man in heaven is the sixth seal in Revelation 6, corresponding to Matthew 24:29 -30a.

The wicked of the earth reaction will be to try and hide. But the beast and the false prophet and the dragon (Satan) in Revelation 16 convince them to make war on Jesus, to keep him from destroying them.

They assemble their armies and take action to hold them in Jerusalem as hostage.... over the 45 days after first seeing the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

On the 45th day, Jesus comes down to earth, seen coming in the clouds of heaven, in power and great glory, corresponding to Matthew 24:30b. And destroys the armies, the kings; the false prophet and beast cast into the lake of fire; the AoD reduced to ashes; Satan bound in chains and cast into the bottomless pit.

You are ignoring the fact that the 7th trumpet is the last trumpet found in the Bible.

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no, I am not.

BABerean2 said:

You said "the time of the judgment of the dead" in Revelation 11:18 does not occur at that time, because it kills your doctrine.

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What I stated fits with the text. What does not fit is your interpretation, because you ignore the meaning and understanding of "are become": to which, in those collection of verses Revelation 11:15-19 associated with sounding of the 7th trumpet means the time has come.