Kentucky Supreme Court to hear case on Christian’s refusal to make LGBT pride shirts

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Sadly I think you are correct. The business owner is genuinely a nice guy as shown by the fact that he helped them find a place that would print them (and probably cheaper.. Hands On originals was more expensive anyway). He will win, ultimately...but it stinks he has to go through this.
Sign of the times, evidence of the rise in persecution of the Christians and there is an increase in anti-Semitism worldwide also.
 
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Sign of the times, evidence of the rise in persecution of the Christians and there is an increase in anti-Semitism worldwide also.
You're sadly correct on both counts. Be blessed.
 
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Kentucky Supreme Court to hear case on Christian’s refusal to make LGBT pride shirts

LEXINGTON, Kentucky, August 23, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) – The Christian owner of a Kentucky print shop who has spent years fighting for his right not to create “gay pride” T-shirts has taken his case to the state Supreme Court.

Blaine Adamson is the owner of Hands On Originals Christian Outfitters, a Lexington company that advertises "high quality, customized Christian apparel.” For the past several years, he has been fighting the Lexington Human Rights Commission over his polite refusal of the Gay and Lesbian Services Organization’s (now called the Pride Community Services Organization) request to print shirts for the Lexington Pride Festival.

The Kentucky Court of Appeals sided with Adamson in 2017, and the Kentucky Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the case Friday, NBC News reported.

“For the last seven years, the government has tried to punish me for declining to print a message that violated my conscience,” Adamson told the public outside the court chamber. “So far, the lower courts have upheld my freedom as a creative professional, and I’m hoping the Kentucky Supreme Court will uphold that freedom as well.”

“Blaine serves everyone; he just doesn’t print all messages. In fact, Blaine has printed materials for a lesbian musician who performed at Lexington’s 2012 Pride Festival,” said attorney Jim Campbell of Alliance Defending Freedom, which is representing Adamson. “It’s all about the message that Blaine is asked to print; he’s not concerned with the person who requests it. Upholding Blaine’s rights protects freedom of speech for everyone.

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He should just do what most businesses do if they don't want a certain contract..... make the price outrageous... Happens all the time...

"that project should be appraised at $6000.00.. but we don't want it.. It's dirty... it's too far away.. .it's got too much red tape... SOooooo.. the price is $60,000.00.... You lose the contract.... next!
 
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As a Christian you haven't a clue that Allah is not the Name of the God of Abraham, the Muslims do not believe Jesus is God or that He is the only begotten of the Father. etc., etc., etc.



Really?

There was a time a Homosexual would not do anything to draw any kind of attention to himself, do you know why?

But, here we are in the 21 century and guess what, were in a no holds bared society, where everything and anything goes.

Our Society and that around the Globe already adhere to a belief that Good is Bad and Bad is Good, Society is upside down in the 21 century and you don't see anything wrong with it.

Rom 1:28-32
28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29) Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30) Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31) Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32) Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
The only discrimination that is allowed... Is against Christians..... and.... white male Christians are the least protected and fair game for all.
 
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Couldn't care less about gay wedding cakes or gay pride t-shirts, people profit from far worse.

I do believe a business should be able to refuse service though, outside of certain professions, e.g. health care, emergency services etc.
What about hotels, restaurants, ski resorts, movie theaters, event centers, etc.?
 
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By a Christian saying I will not make a Gay Pride shirt for you he is actually saying, "I believe you are practicing an Immoral Lifestyle and I will not condone your behavior, by making a shirt for you" the question is, does a Christian have the Right to say such a thing?
I wouldn't do the shirts either, but not for the reason you wouldn't, "I will not condone your behavior..."
I wouldn't because I couldn't be a part of that for my own conscience sake.
 
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I'd like to see some LGBTABCDEFG group tell a mosque to allow gay marriage... or a muslim anything to deal with LGBT bullying...

It would be the cage match..... LGBTQ homophobia in the left corner.. vs... Islamophobia in the right.... keep the fight clean.....
 
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So this is objectively false.

The God of Christianity has been described in this way for over a millenium and a half:

"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end.

And [we believe] in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."

In contrast to this, Islam teaches that Jesus was never cruicified, that he was not God, and that God has no Son. In fact, that phrase - "God has no son" is on the Dome of the Rock:
  1. [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
Contrast this verse from the Koran to John 3:16.

As I said, the concept that Islam and Christianity worship the same deity is objectively false.
So you believe the God of Christians and the God the Jews are are different beings?
 
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So, you can refuse service to people as long as it does not violate existing law....the gay community is out of luck then because there is no FEDERAL law against refusing them service and Federal law always trumps state law.
That isn't correct. State laws can go beyond federal laws but they can't be less than federal laws.
States have a lot of power, we are a Republic after all.
 
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I'd like to see some LGBTABCDEFG group tell a mosque to allow gay marriage... or a muslim anything to deal with LGBT bullying...

It would be the cage match..... LGBTQ homophobia in the left corner.. vs... Islamophobia in the right.... keep the fight clean.....
No one forces a homophobic church to conduct a gay wedding. My church just isn’t homophobic
 
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What about hotels, restaurants, ski resorts, movie theaters, event centers, etc.?

Anything like that is optional, so I believe business owners should have a right to refuse that, whether it's because they're gay, Christian, whatever.

Emergency services, medical care etc, should not be refused.
 
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So you believe the God of Christians and the God the Jews are are different beings?

Christians and Jews use the exact same Old Testament.

Muslims use a different book. A few similar names and stories, but a very different book. The difference between the Old Testament and the Koran is like the difference between Romeo and Juliet and Gnomeo and Juliet.
 
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No one forces a homophobic church to conduct a gay wedding. My church just isn’t homophobic
The term "homophobic" is a farce.... It was coined in order to shame people as if they have some sort of "fear" and then to condescend them.

There may be a few that are "afraid" of homosexual and other types of people... But, for the most part, people are not afraid of them. They just don't agree with them and don't feel that they should be forced to appease them.

Churches that don't conduct same sex marriages are not "homophobic" they are just disagreeing with this type of union.
My wife was previously divorced and we had a very hard time, back then in 1992, finding a church that would marry us...

We didn't go shaming and name calling.. That was their right within their policies..

If a church won't marry you... for what ever reason... Go to the JP...

Why a same sex couple would want the blessing of a church...... is beyond me.
 
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I'd like to see some LGBTABCDEFG group tell a mosque to allow gay marriage... or a muslim anything to deal with LGBT bullying...

It would be the cage match..... LGBTQ homophobia in the left corner.. vs... Islamophobia in the right.... keep the fight clean.....
I dont know about the US but in Iraq and Afghanistan homosexual behaviour was common. Men are for pleasure, women are for babies. In certain forms like Sunnis it can carry the death penalty, but Shiites don't seem to care.
 
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What about hotels, restaurants, ski resorts, movie theaters, event centers, etc.?
I don't see it extended along those lines, gay marriage is the big one. I understand why people do it but at the same time, I love the smells and unique products you get in bakeries. This controversy spoils that a little for me. Sometimes I think we have evolved as culture into over grown spoiled children.

A deficit at a trillion dollars, silos across the globe that can nuke us into oblivion, global warming threatening to devastate our ecosystem on an epic scale.

What are we upset about, luxury cake. On principle I like the cultural issue cake and caligraphy as a Constitutional issue? Just not seeing it.
 
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Sorry , but that is incorrect. Unfortunately disinformation is the name of the game now, since the www.

You need to do better than that... demonstrate HOW it's wrong... provide documentation refuting the documentation I provided, otherwise you're just blowing hot air.
 
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The term "homophobic" is a farce.... It was coined in order to shame people as if they have some sort of "fear" and then to condescend them.

There may be a few that are "afraid" of homosexual and other types of people... But, for the most part, people are not afraid of them. They just don't agree with them and don't feel that they should be forced to appease them.

Churches that don't conduct same sex marriages are not "homophobic" they are just disagreeing with this type of union.
My wife was previously divorced and we had a very hard time, back then in 1992, finding a church that would marry us...

We didn't go shaming and name calling.. That was their right within their policies..

If a church won't marry you... for what ever reason... Go to the JP...

Why a same sex couple would want the blessing of a church...... is beyond me.
well gays are welcome in my church ....as is !
 
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Christians and Jews use the exact same Old Testament.

Muslims use a different book. A few similar names and stories, but a very different book. The difference between the Old Testament and the Koran is like the difference between Romeo and Juliet and Gnomeo and Juliet.
you just demonstrated your ignorance of Islam . Muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet just like they accept Moses or Abraham . The Bible was actually the basis of Islam and Muslims refer to Christian and Jews as the People of the Book . But that figures , some ignorant Protestants don’t even think Catholics are Christians :rolleyes:
 
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you just demonstrated your ignorance of Islam . Muslims consider Jesus to be a prophet just like they accept Moses or Abraham . The Bible was actually the basis of Islam and Muslims refer to Christian and Jews as the People of the Book . But that figures , some ignorant Protestants don’t even think Catholics are Christians

And Romeo and Juliet was the basis of Gnomeo and Juliet.

I have read the Koran, and I know what a hash it makes of the Old Testament. A hash. It's not the same book and it doesn't say the same things.

And Jesus is not just a prophet--the Koran gets Jesus wrong as well.
 
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Why a same sex couple would want the blessing of a church...... is beyond me.

It would be so the Homosexual Community could then get on their high horse and declare The Church Condones our immoral Lifestyle, therefore you should too..... It's that simple
 
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