Trump's trade agenda on the verge of imploding

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Apparently, some of it is not partisanship.

It would be rather hard for me to be partisan not being in any political party. This is about the content of the presidents statement not the party he represents.

Perhaps. you believe that trying to end drug trafficking is ignorant nonsense whether it is by Obama or Trump.

The president demanded that those who are not equipped nor empowered to do customs job for them, that's the ignorant nonsense I am referring to. I'm curious why you keep rushing past that point no matter how many times I make it
 
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It would be rather hard for me to be partisan not being in any political party. This is about the content of the presidents statement not the party he represents.

Perhaps. you believe that trying to end drug trafficking is ignorant nonsense whether it is by Obama or Trump.

The president demanded that those who are not equipped nor empowered to do customs job for them, that's the ignorant nonsense I am referring to. I'm curious why you keep rushing past that point no matter how many times I make it
I don't know how it is in customs work, but in manufacturing (my expertise) 100% inspection is so little better than a properly designed sampling plan as to never be worth the effort in terms of defects found. If there is a problem with drug trafficking the first thing to do is to consult with experts, not decree that minimum-wage package handlers with little or no training are going to start carrying out 100% inspection. It's not a dumb idea just because it's Trump's, it's just a dumb idea.
 
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Folks oppose because it is Trump. See below for a poster who doesn't want the post office to perform this function.

BUT, LET'S BE CLEAR
Are you all OK with the president ordering that ALL packages from China be inspected for drugs; and yes, I'm fine if it is the customs service that does these millions of inspections.

Obviously, it is much more efficient to delegate and coordinate this task to the carriers. But, I suppose if Democrats and the courts insist, the customs folks can perform the inspections.

Yes, I'm fine with all packages being scanned using the best practices laid out by experts. I'm not ok with a President too ignorant to know that agencies under the Executive Branch perform jobs he's trying to order privately held companies to do.

Just to ask, if the CEO at your work started randomly saying that the building maintenance needed to start taking care of company finances and payroll because a few mistakes happened, you'd just think to yourself "It's great he's trying to do something!" instead of "Does this guy not know how the stuff under his command runs?"
 
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Folks oppose because it is Trump. See below for a poster who doesn't want the post office to perform this function.

BUT, LET'S BE CLEAR
Are you all OK with the president ordering that ALL packages from China be inspected for drugs; and yes, I'm fine if it is the customs service that does these millions of inspections.

Obviously, it is much more efficient to delegate and coordinate this task to the carriers. But, I suppose if Democrats and the courts insist, the customs folks can perform the inspections.

As a practical matter, what Trump proposed is impossible. Think about it.
 
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Yes, I'm fine with all packages being scanned using the best practices laid out by experts.

Do we have the technology to scan thousands of containers on just one container ship for pills?
 
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There is a law with regard to national emergency. And, yes, the Congress gave the president great powers under this law. Congress can vote to refuse, but they won't.

So, yes, the president an do almost anything, with the approval of Congress (or with Congress not objecting). That is our system.

Let the Trump family lead by example...
 
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Do we have the technology to scan thousands of containers on just one container ship for pills?

What I meant is that subject matter experts in this should be brought in to implement systems that work.
 
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Fair enough.

And you are right to point out that border security is a parallel situation.

As Democrats, We should welcome many, many more inspections and support increasing whatever agencies it takes to so.

This line of argument is sounding eerily familiar. Before it was that if you don't want a 35-foot high concrete monolith wall from coast to coast then you must be in favor of completely open borders where anybody can just walk in. Now, it's if you don't want employees of private shipping companies to be carrying out 100% inspections of the packages which pass through their hands, you don't care if illegal drugs come into the country.
 
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Trump's family is not an example of anything good.

If you believe that US companies should prefer to invest in China, so be it. I would hope Democratic policy would be to avoid China and other countries with poor labor and prison rules, and also rules that violate the norms of international trade.

I welcome Trump's opposition to traditional Republican trade policy.

JUST BY THE WAY, this has been left of center Democratic policy for a hundred years.

Let the Trump family lead by example...
 
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OK, the president is inept in governing, and knows little about the running of government.

I am merely saying that Democrats should jump at Trump's ideas the 2 times a day they may be reasonable. As he has stated, he throws out ideas for vetting. One kind of response is to find flaws and reject. Another is celebrate the idea that he is focusing on a problem that need to be solved, and try to find ways to make the idea work.


Yes, I'm fine with all packages being scanned using the best practices laid out by experts. I'm not ok with a President too ignorant to know that agencies under the Executive Branch perform jobs he's trying to order privately held companies to do.

Just to ask, if the CEO at your work started randomly saying that the building maintenance needed to start taking care of company finances and payroll because a few mistakes happened, you'd just think to yourself "It's great he's trying to do something!" instead of "Does this guy not know how the stuff under his command runs?"
 
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OK, the president is inept in governing, and knows little about the running of government.

I am merely saying that Democrats should jump at Trump's ideas the 2 times a day they may be reasonable. As he has stated, he throws out ideas for vetting. One kind of response is to find flaws and reject. Another is celebrate the idea that he is focusing on a problem that need to be solved, and try to find ways to make the idea work.

He's not throwing out ideas, he's throwing out orders. Orders which he has no right to give incidentally.
 
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So, you point is that EVERY package that the carriers deliver is being inspected?

If not, Trump's request stands. The issue is NOT really who makes the inspections. The issue is that every package be inspected for drugs.
Better keep checking every ship coming from Mitch McConnell's Chinese in-laws. I hear that quite a bit of cocaine was found in one of their ships several years ago.
 
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OK, the president is inept in governing, and knows little about the running of government.

I am merely saying that Democrats should jump at Trump's ideas the 2 times a day they may be reasonable. As he has stated, he throws out ideas for vetting. One kind of response is to find flaws and reject. Another is celebrate the idea that he is focusing on a problem that need to be solved, and try to find ways to make the idea work.
2 times a day? He does not have a good idea two times a year, LOL.
 
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Trump's trade agenda on the verge of imploding

President Donald Trump is heading toward his 2020 reelection campaign with virtually nothing to show for his big trade promises — except for angry farmers and a jittery stock market.

A long-sought deal with China appears to be falling apart, exposing businesses on both sides of the Pacific to more tariffs and steep losses for farmers. His new pact with Canada and Mexico is facing significant opposition in Congress even from Republicans, who are demanding that he lift steel and aluminum tariffs before they’ll vote on it. Deals with the European Union, Japan and Great Britain are also stalled by politics here and abroad.

Trump’s failure to reach agreements with America’s trading partners could have a brutal impact on the economy and his reelection effort, even if his base likes his tough talk on China. By the time voters head to the polls in 2020, the prices of consumer goods could be skyrocketing. Farmers may be swamped with products they can’t sell abroad. And a bear market could be shrinking everyone’s retirement savings.

I wonder if folks realize that the importer is the one who pays the duty, then passes off the cost to the consumer. So GM orders parts they need from China, then has to pay the duty, and they pass the cost of that duty onto the consumer.

Politico, you don't say. Well the Left has been trying to impeach Trump or somehow run him out of office unsuccessfully since even before his inauguration. They realize (finally) it wont' work. Since the economy under Trump has inarguably done well, their only hope is to force it to tank. They are using their powers of propaganda to achieve this. Google and the triumvirate of social media are assisting as we have seen from whistleblowers. They will be helped (as usual) by illegals voting in greater numbers and in some states trying to mess with the EC. And then there's Sanders who insists that even violent felons should be allowed to vote. Which party do you think they are likely to vote for?

Bernie Sanders: Convicts Should Be Allowed To Vote From Prison, Even The Boston Marathon Bomber

So there you have it. This is the DNC plan to defeat Trump. They have no intelligent policy ideas or solutions to anything. It's all just about beating Trump by destroying him.
 
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Politico, you don't say. Well the Left has been trying to impeach Trump or somehow run him out of office unsuccessfully since even before his inauguration. They realize (finally) it wont' work. Since the economy under Trump has inarguably done well, their only hope is to force it to tank. They are using their powers of propaganda to achieve this. Google and the triumvirate of social media are assisting as we have seen from whistleblowers. They will be helped (as usual) by illegals voting in greater numbers and in some states trying to mess with the EC. And then there's Sanders who insists that even violent felons should be allowed to vote. Which party do you think they are likely to vote for?

Bernie Sanders: Convicts Should Be Allowed To Vote From Prison, Even The Boston Marathon Bomber

So there you have it. This is the DNC plan to defeat Trump. They have no intelligent policy ideas or solutions to anything. It's all just about beating Trump by destroying him.
Yes, Politico, which leans alittle left about as much as the Hill leans right, but is mostly in the middle.

The market is going to go down. The economy is not as strong as advertised. Corporate debt is too high, and corporate bonds are starting to fall. The PMI has fallen below 50 (purchasing managers index) for the first time since 2009. The yield curve dipped again the other day and then today again.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...sector-contracted-first-time-since-data-show/


Trump's trade wars are making things worse. The tax break the rich got didn't help other than to put us on a sugar high financially.
Trump's tax cut isn't giving the US economy the boost it needs


You can spout all the conspiracy stuff about it, but the truth will be in the numbers.
 
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