Who thinks Trump's claim to be the chosen one was sacrilegious

Brightmoon said:

. So do hospitals . But you don’t complain about them . This isn’t making them much money because abortions are a very small part of what Planned Parenthood does. They also need the women’s consent to use their fetuses for research.

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Hospitals wasn't the topic, but sure there are alot of similar problems with hospitals which is another reason i support Trump - his re-working plans for medical industries: banning fetal tissue sales, allowing people to obtain cheaper foreign drugs, allowing them the right to try new experimental drugs, letting them keep their doctors instead of forcing them use government approved doctors under obamacare, indicting and investigation pharmaceutical execs, etc. Doing a great job and giving people hope.

Planned parenthood might have "feel good" mandate on paper and may do some good for people, doesn't change their clear degenerate practices with fetal tissue an abortions. They are a dark, subversive organization in modern times no doubt, and wasnt the founder (sanger) a racist? None of it is adding up to a good image for people with common sense

Brightmoon said:

as selfish as Clinton’s behavior was he still had consent from the woman involved. You can’t say that about Trump’ behavior.

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Right like the women who ended up dead that had open complaints or pending investigations against him? Or how his wife Hillary bullied and oppressed women who charged him or complained? Imagine if Trump and Melania did that, sjws and the media would not let that slide and it would amped up in every news source available

ToBeLoved said:

Matthew 7:1-2

1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

I hope the Trump haters avoid God’s wrath when he gives back to them the measure that they judged.

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I know right, the crazy thing to me is - for people who know the bible, they know what will happen to those who act against Gods will and refuse to open their eyes and see what that is, satanists must know what will happen to them, yet they still march forward on the path to hell like they're looking forward to it, do they not know what will happen to them there? The deception is so strong in them, i don't get it and i don't understand - who would knowingly choose hell?

Jamsie said:

What don't you understand about his bragging about walking in on women? Do you believe that behavior is acceptable? How about this...https://nypost.com/2016/10/12/former-teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-barged-into-their-dressing-room/

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I tried to find a news source that hasn't promoted pedophilia, satanic people and cannibalism (if they promote those topics i do not trust their integrity or vales in reporting anything) so i had to use Fox news even with their issues - Pageant contestants claim Trump entered dressing rooms while they were half-naked.

"The website contacted 11 other contestants from that year who did not recall seeing Trump in the dressing room. Some said they don’t believe he could have gotten in.

Allison Bowman, the Miss Wisconsin Teen USA, dismissed the possibility that it had happened.

“These were teenage girls,” Bowman told BuzzFeed. “If anything inappropriate had gone on, the gossip would have flown.”

“There was way too much security,” Crystal Hughes, the Miss Maine Teen USA told BuzzFeed. “Everybody would have noticed.”

Snoder said:

You asserted that: "Well actually there is evidence and the popular vote is being investigated"
That was absolutely false. Your link provides no evidence or comment on that.

I am going to restate this. You asserted that "Well actually there is evidence and the popular vote is being investigated"

Your link has absolutely nothing to do with that false claim.

You also asserted that: "Big tech is under investigation not only for voter fraud, but for promoting political bias, for suppressing real science, for censoring conservative and christian content...as well as law suits filed against google, youtube and twitter...the list goes on."

Also, that was absolutely false. Your link provides no evidence or comment on that.

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I made a lot of assertions, including the DOJ investigating big tech...and provided the link...what do you think they will find anyway...just asking...but in any case...I'm not forcing you to believe that the popular vote is being investigated for voter fraud at all...and I have no intention of trying to.

The Barbarian said:

No, there's no point in denying that he did this, and meant to harm those kids to get back at their parents.

Government official says he warned Trump administration against family separations
Administration officials under President Donald Trump raised the idea of separating families at the border one month after his inauguration, a government official told a House panel on Thursday, and health experts who cared for migrant children in U.S. custody warned that the impact on their mental health would be devastating.

Cmdr. Jonathan White, a career public health official at the Department of Health and Human Services, also testified that his agency was largely kept out of the loop on changes to immigration enforcement. White, who helped to oversee children's programs at the HHS Office of Refugee Resettlement in 2017 and 2018, said he was perplexed by an uptick in children being referred to federal custody in Trump's first year in office. But when he asked about it, he said he was told there was no new policy to separate families.
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A spokeswoman for Nielsen said in response to White's testimony that "there was no policy of separating families." Nielsen has made similar remarks in public, an apparent reference to the fact that zero tolerance and other tough enforcement policies under Trump didn't call specifically to separate all families.


But White's testimony and documents recently leaked by Congress suggest that Nielsen and other officials knew ahead of time that hardline immigration enforcement would result in thousands of children separated from family members.

An internal December 2017 memo by the Homeland Security Department leaked by Congress confirmed that the administration was aware of the legal implications of separating families, but thought the negative publicity might serve as a deterrent to other migrants.
Government official says he warned Trump administration against family separations



As did Obama. He deported more illegal aliens than Trump has done. But he didn't separate thousands of children from their parents. That was Trump's scheme to discourage asylum applications.

When questioned by interviewers about migrant children detained at the southern border, President Donald Trump has tried to steer the blame toward the previous administration, saying former President Barack Obama initiated the policy of separating those children from their caregivers, even though fact checkers have consistently found that claim to be false.

"When I became president, President Obama had a separation policy. I didn't have it. He had it. I brought the families together. I'm the one that put them together," he told Telemundo's José Díaz Balart in an interview that aired Thursday.

But, according to FactCheck.org, "previous administrations did not have a blanket policy to prosecute parents and separate them from their children." It was after the Trump administration announced its "zero-tolerance" immigration policy in April 2018, in which everyone who illegally entered the U.S. was referred for criminal prosecution, that thousands of migrant children were separated from their parents.
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In a May 2018 interview, then-White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told NPR a "big name of the game is deterrence" in stopping illegal immigration, and that family separations "would be a tough deterrent."
Trump defends conditions for detained migrant kids, blames Obama for family separations; fact checkers call foul

The republicans are running scared; they lost the elections in a blue wave, and now the Trump administration's policy of harming children to get at their parents has backfired. So, they're doing the usual... "blame Obama."

It's not working.

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It's ok...altering facts to suit a narrative is common place for the democrats...so no surprise there...and so is changing definitions to make them work too...

ah well...their worst nightmare is yet to come once all these investigations wind down and the continued release of unclassified data.

It's ok...altering facts to suit a narrative is common place for Trump and his followers...so no surprise there...and so is changing definitions to make them work too...

ah well...their worst nightmare is yet to come once Trump leaves office, and as the FBI points out, he then can be indicted like anyone else for the several documented attempts on his part to obstruct justice.

Zanting said:

I'm not forcing you to believe that the popular vote is being investigated for voter fraud at all...and I have no intention of trying to.

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That's been done. Trump set up a commission to do that. He hastily shut it down when the data came in and there were only four known cases, all of them for republicans and three of them for him. One member of the commission who was actually interested in finding voter fraud, found other members were hiding documents and even meeting schedules from him:

Member Of Disbanded Trump Voter Fraud Commission Speaks Out
GONYEA: So you filed the lawsuit that has now resulted in the release of those documents. It gives us some glimpse of the workings of the commission. What did you want to bring to light?

DUNLAP: Well, what's remarkable about the documents is what's not in there, and what's not in there is any substantiated evidence of voter misconduct at any scale. In fact, one of the troubling things about the documents that we saw was that before we were even really meeting, commission staff were working on a framework of a report. And several sections of report talk about voter fraud, and those sections are completely blank. They didn't insert any information whatsoever.

So that's why we've been saying that, even though the idea was to investigate voter fraud, it is pretty clear that the purpose of the commission was to actually affirm and validate the president's claims whether or not we had any evidence of any such voter misconduct.

GONYEA: And, again, you were on the panel, but you couldn't get access to the work it was doing or any evidence that it was supposedly gathering.

DUNLAP: I couldn't even get a schedule. This was the frustration that I felt when Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon forwarded me an email from the Minnesota Voters Alliance touting the fact that they've been invited to the December meeting of the commission, and that was the first word I'd had in October that they were even talking about a December meeting. So that's when I sent the formal letter which really led ultimately to the lawsuit you're talking about.

GONYEA: And, along the way, you shared your concerns with other members of the group?

DUNLAP: I did. And one of the things that came out in these documents was a probate judge from Alabama, Alan King, who was one of the other Democrats on the commission, unbeknownst to me, had also sent a similar piece of correspondence to mine asking for what we were doing, what was going on. And he didn't get an answer, either.
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I think the reason why they disbanded it was because they really didn't want anybody to know what they were talking about and working on behind the scenes, which was this report that was being framed up without any of our knowledge. We hadn't even done any substantive discussion about what a report would look like, and they were writing it. So I think that speaks to what the goal was, which was to validate the president's claims - not to do any type of investigation or explication of what those claims would actually look like or produce.
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The Barbarian said:

That's been done. Trump set up a commission to do that. He hastily shut it down when the data came in and there were only four known cases, all of them for republicans and three of them for him. One member of the commission who was actually interested in finding voter fraud, found other members were hiding documents and even meeting schedules from him:

Member Of Disbanded Trump Voter Fraud Commission Speaks Out
GONYEA: So you filed the lawsuit that has now resulted in the release of those documents. It gives us some glimpse of the workings of the commission. What did you want to bring to light?

DUNLAP: Well, what's remarkable about the documents is what's not in there, and what's not in there is any substantiated evidence of voter misconduct at any scale. In fact, one of the troubling things about the documents that we saw was that before we were even really meeting, commission staff were working on a framework of a report. And several sections of report talk about voter fraud, and those sections are completely blank. They didn't insert any information whatsoever.

So that's why we've been saying that, even though the idea was to investigate voter fraud, it is pretty clear that the purpose of the commission was to actually affirm and validate the president's claims whether or not we had any evidence of any such voter misconduct.

GONYEA: And, again, you were on the panel, but you couldn't get access to the work it was doing or any evidence that it was supposedly gathering.

DUNLAP: I couldn't even get a schedule. This was the frustration that I felt when Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon forwarded me an email from the Minnesota Voters Alliance touting the fact that they've been invited to the December meeting of the commission, and that was the first word I'd had in October that they were even talking about a December meeting. So that's when I sent the formal letter which really led ultimately to the lawsuit you're talking about.

GONYEA: And, along the way, you shared your concerns with other members of the group?

DUNLAP: I did. And one of the things that came out in these documents was a probate judge from Alabama, Alan King, who was one of the other Democrats on the commission, unbeknownst to me, had also sent a similar piece of correspondence to mine asking for what we were doing, what was going on. And he didn't get an answer, either.
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I think the reason why they disbanded it was because they really didn't want anybody to know what they were talking about and working on behind the scenes, which was this report that was being framed up without any of our knowledge. We hadn't even done any substantive discussion about what a report would look like, and they were writing it. So I think that speaks to what the goal was, which was to validate the president's claims - not to do any type of investigation or explication of what those claims would actually look like or produce.
Member Of Disbanded Trump Voter Fraud Commission Speaks Out

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Ah...but this is an old investigation you're talking about...I'm not sure when the one you have outlined started...but they are not the same...nor were they looking at the same thing...

It's ok though...I understand your confusion.

Put Trump in the title get close to 800 posts.

The Barbarian said:

It's ok...altering facts to suit a narrative is common place for Trump and his followers...so no surprise there...and so is changing definitions to make them work too...

ah well...their worst nightmare is yet to come once Trump leaves office, and as the FBI points out, he then can be indicted like anyone else for the several documented attempts on his part to obstruct justice.

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You`ve just proven the point so many make about the democrats...they love gaslighting...one of their most favorite manipulation tactics...and apparently one you like to use too.

Zanting said:

Ah...but this is an old investigation you're talking about...I'm not sure when the one you have outlined started...

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That's the one that actually exists. As you see, the evidence is that voter fraud is extremely uncommon, and the evidence shows it's republicans who do it, when it happens. Would you like me to show you that, again?

but they are not the same...nor were they looking at the same thing...

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And of course, the investigation I showed you actually exists. Yours, since you aren't willing provide any evidence, seems to be entirely imaginary.

Zanting said:

You`ve just proven the point so many make about the democrats...they love gaslighting...

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Apparently, you don't know what "gaslighting"means. Don't get upset, learn to put together a reasonable argument, with demonstrable evidence.

Then you can take part in the discussion. Worth a try.

The Barbarian said:

That's the one that actually exists. As you see, the evidence is that voter fraud is extremely uncommon, and the evidence shows it's republicans who do it, when it happens. Would you like me to show you that, again?



And of course, the investigation I showed you actually exists. Yours, since you aren't willing provide any evidence, seems to be entirely imaginary.

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If you say so...it must be so...gotcha.

The Barbarian said:

Apparently, you don't know what "gaslighting"means. Don't get upset, learn to put together a reasonable argument, with demonstrable evidence.

Then you can take part in the discussion. Worth a try.

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Why Gaslighters Accuse You of Gaslighting

Zanting said:

Why Gaslighters Accuse You of Gaslighting

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You accused me of gaslighting. Are you confessing here?

Aldebaran said:

You first accused him of not even knowing what it was.

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Actually, he brought it up and projected it to others, I merely pointed out that it appeared he didn't know what the term meant, and suggested that he try to focus on making a cogent argument.