Can we date divorcees?

joshua 1 9 said:

Mark 2:17 "Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." If the law could save then Jesus would not have had to go to Calvary.

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I'm not sure why you posted this in response to my post?

Dave L said:

This was OT Law replaced by the NT. It does not apply. But it is interesting that Jesus says the innocent wife also commits adultery when she remarries. Even though divorced from an adulterous husband.

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Under the old covenant a man could have as many wife's as he wanted. People were still saved under the Old Covenant. Even though they had multiple wives. David for example had 8 wives and God told him he could have more if he wanted them. But he committed adultery when he took another man's wife.

"I gave your master’s house to you and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah, and if that was not enough, I would have given you even more. 9 Why then have you despised the command of the LORD by doing evil in His sight? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife as your own, for you have slain him with the sword of the Ammonites" (2Sam12)

joshua 1 9 said:

Under the old covenant a man could have as many wife's as he wanted. People were still saved under the Old Covenant. Even though they had multiple wives. David for example had 8 wives and God told him he could have more if he wanted them. But he committed adultery when he took another man's wife.

"I gave your master’s house to you and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah, and if that was not enough, I would have given you even more. 9 Why then have you despised the command of the LORD by doing evil in His sight? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife as your own, for you have slain him with the sword of the Ammonites" (2Sam12)

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Polygamy is not the same as divorce and remarriage.

joshua 1 9 said:

Why do you ignore the exception? Jesus said: "I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” (Matthew 19:9)

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I didn't get a chance to reply before Dave L did, but I was going to tell you exactly what he would say.

I wonder if he would throw out the sermon on the mount as OT as well?

Dave L said:

What can I say? I'm only trying to avoid sin in my life and it rubs people wrong at times.

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You want to live like that, have at it. However, your wrong interpretation should not be pushed onto others.

Francis Drake said:

I'm not sure why you posted this in response to my post?

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I struggles with this a lot. If I had not gotten married my son would have never been born. Yet God is able to cause good to come out of that. Lots of people find themselves in dysfunctional situations. Yet God can still cause good to come out of that. My first wife did not want to get married. Her sister and mother advised her not to get married. But she wanted to have a child.

God said to: "Be fruitful and multiply. Fill the earth" before there was marriage.

Dave L said:

This was OT Law replaced by the NT.

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Jesus was the mediator of the new covenant. Moses said: "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him." Deut 18:18. ONLY Jesus can add to what we received from Moses in the Torah.

Moses did not say anything about: "Except for adultery". But give it your best shot. Show me where this is a part of the Old Covenant.

joshua 1 9 said:

Jesus was the mediator of the new covenant. Moses said: "I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him." Deut 18:18. ONLY Jesus can add to what we received from Moses in the Torah.

Moses did not say anything about: "Except for adultery". But give it your best shot. Show me where this is a part of the Old Covenant.

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The New Covenant makes no provision for divorce. Jesus was setting the Pharisees straight when teaching on the Law.

nanookadenord said:

I didn't get a chance to reply before Dave L did, but I was going to tell you exactly what he would say.

I wonder if he would throw out the sermon on the mount as OT as well?

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The issue is he does not understand the law. I did not understand the law until I read the 119 Psalm.
David tells us again and again about his love for the law of God: "165 Abundant peace belongs to those who love Your instruction; nothing can make them stumble."

Again and again David proclaims his love for God and for the Law of God. The commanments, precepts, instructions and so on. "Oh, how I love your law! I meditate on it all day long." Psalm 1:2
"But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on His law he meditates day and night."

joshua 1 9 said:

The issue is he does not understand the law. I did not understand the law until I read the 119 Psalm.
David tells us again and again about his love for the law of God: "165 Abundant peace belongs to those who love Your instruction; nothing can make them stumble."

Again and again David proclaims his love for God and for the Law of God. The commanments, precepts, instructions and so on. "Oh, how I love your law! I meditate on it all day long." Psalm 1:2
"But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on His law he meditates day and night."

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“realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,” 1 Timothy 1:9–10 (NASB95)

Do you think it was this law?

Or this one?


“And He said to him, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ “This is the great and foremost commandment. “The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ “On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.”” Matthew 22:37–40 (NASB95)

Dave L said:

The New Covenant makes no provision for divorce. Jesus was setting the Pharisees straight when teaching on the Law.

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Swing and a miss. Nice try though. Jesus teaches the same lesson in the Sermon on the Mount. The Greatest Sermon every preached that very much is a discussion of the New Covenant.

"31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

Pay close attention to what He is saying. IF you divorce your wife you make her the victim of adultery: "except for sexual immorality" Then he goes on to say ANYONE that marries a divorced women commits adultery with no exception. I see a ban on divorce: "except for immorality" and I see a ban on getting married to a divorced women.

Paul reinforces what Jesus teaches when he says: "10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 111 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife."

Later on Paul says: "But if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." (1 cor 7:28)

joshua 1 9 said:

Swing and a miss. Nice try though. Jesus teaches the same lesson in the Sermon on the Mount. The Greatest Sermon every preached that very much is a discussion of the New Covenant.

"31“It has been said, ‘Anyone who divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery."

Pay close attention to what He is saying. IF you divorce your wife you make her the victim of adultery: "except for sexual immorality" Then he goes on to say ANYONE that marries a divorced women commits adultery with no exception. I see a ban on divorce: "except for immorality" and I see a ban on getting married to a divorced women.

Paul reinforces what Jesus teaches when he says: "10 To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. 111 But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife."

Later on Paul says: "But if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." (1 cor 7:28)

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This is the Old Covenant. It is not part of the New. Paul does not teach divorce and remarriage.

Dave L said:

Do you think it was this law?

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1 Timothy 1:8 says: "Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately." IF the law is good then why would you have a problem to follow the law? All of the law is an expression of love. So again why would we not follow the law? 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness"

What part of: "all scripture" do you feel justified in ignoring and disregarding? Clearly the law is good if one uses it legitimately. "16 All Scripture is God breathed and useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work."

Dave L said:

This is the Old Covenant. It is not part of the New. Paul does not teach divorce and remarriage.

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Yep, it is as I thought. He throws out the sermon on the mount.

Dave L said:

This is the Old Covenant. It is not part of the New. Paul does not teach divorce and remarriage.

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So, because Paul doesn't teach something it means that it doesn't exist?

I have a ocean front property in Arizona for anyone that believes that drivel!

Dave L said:

Paul does not teach divorce and remarriage.

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Paul does not teach marriage at all and neither does Jesus. Both teach that you are better to remain single and devote your life to serving God. Not everyone is able to do this. That is why they say it is better to marry then to burn with passion. This is an exception, a loophole. This is what people are allowed to do when they have gotten themselves into a bad situation. This is not a cure, this in not going to solve all of their problems.

It is better to remain single. It is better to never get married at all. "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefined: but harlot mongers and adulterers God will judge." Hebrews 13:4 I have been there engaged to a women that had a husband. She needed to be reconciled with her husband. If for no other reason then for the sake of her children. I needed to be reconciled to my wife but she did not want to be reconciled. I gave her 12 years to change her mind and she did not relent. Even I had a priest in the episcopal church advise her to separate herself from me. Although he died from Aids about a year after he advised her to do that. That was when the associate priest in the church wanted to date her. I was not getting much help out of them to get her to change her mind or her ways.

Dave L said:

This is the Old Covenant. It is not part of the New. Paul does not teach divorce and remarriage.

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I keep giving you this scripture: Paul says: "But if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." (1cor7:28)

I got married based on 1cor7:28. I do not recommend a women to marry someone that is divorced because: "they will fact troubles in this life". Even my wife tells me point blank, I did not expect this, I did not sign up for this. But she did, she just did not realize it at the time. So I have to do what what I can to make it up for her in a way she can appreciate.

joshua 1 9 said:

I keep giving you this scripture: Paul says: "But if you do marry, you have not sinned. And if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this." (1cor7:28)

I got married based on 1cor7:28. I do not recommend a women to marry someone that is divorced because: "they will fact troubles in this life". Even my wife tells me point blank, I did not expect this, I did not sign up for this. But she did, she just did not realize it at the time. So I have to do what what I can to make it up for her in a way she can appreciate.

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All I am going to say is that, all marriages take work. There will be troubles, because when you put two people together in the most intimate of relationships, there will be troubles. Plus life itself is full of troubles. Dealing with my own right now.

However, when I am married again, there is, at least to me, no better relationship on this earth!

nanookadenord said:

So, because Paul doesn't teach something it means that it doesn't exist?

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ONLY Moses and ONLY Jesus can teach. Everyone else helps us to understand what was reveiled though Moses and Jesus. "For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." 1John1:17

The law was designed to bring us to Jesus: "For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. " (Matthew 5:18) This whole approach that we can disregard the law is a plague on our church today.

joshua 1 9 said:

ONLY Moses and ONLY Jesus can teach. Everyone else helps us to understand what was reveiled though Moses and Jesus.

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That is what a good teacher does.

Is a math teacher teaching creating the math or are they helping you to understand the math that was revealed before?