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Yes, Rev 14:10-11 are the words of the third angel warning the nations (14:6) to repent. Rev 20:10 is about the devil, not the nations. They are mentioned in the preceding verse (20:9):
They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
Looks like the end for the nations...but wait:
He who sits on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” (21:5) Heaven comes to earth in the form of the New Jerusalem. (21:10), and then...
The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth and the nations will bring their glory and honor into it; (21:24,26)
So the nations are delivered from the consuming fire repentant. They are also purified, so they can enter the City of God, since we're told:
nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life. (21:27)
But there's more. Once they come inside through the open gates (21:25), they find:
a river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming from the throne of God and of the Lamb, in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. (22:1-2)
Wow! Did you get that? The nations are consumed by holy fire, and enter heaven purified to worship the Almighty, to be treated with the healing leaves from the tree of life. There will no longer be any curse (22:3). Their worm dieth not.
But it's no cakewalk. They need encouragement to overcome:
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost. (22:17)
So our role is to encourage the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars (21:7) to no longer do wrong or remain filthy (22:11), but 'wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.' (22:14), and ultimately: The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen. (22:21)
So....another happy universalist joins the party!
May I say to all reading our discussion that A good portion of Christianity is already on the road of being brought together under a false unity that excludes doctrine, so it is not surprising to see individuals drawn to false teachings.
Just so that we are all clear, Universalism teaches that all religions are worshipping the same God in different ways. This is what is known as syncretism.
Universalism also affirms that all people will be saved. Within this belief system the concepts of hell and punishment are rejected as inconsistent with a loving God. People often want to do away with a concept that they cannot understand.
There are many things in the Bible we cannot understand; we can’t really understand how God spoke and the universe leapt into existence! But this does not stop one from accepting the fact from one who was there and passed it on.
In the secular world the majority of people do not know how electricity works or why but they accept it in their everyday lives. What we can understand from the bible we can know is true therefore it is not a blind leap to accept the things we may not fully understand. The premise for all this is the authority of the Scriptures being God inspired.
Ask some questions and you will find that most of those spearheading this movement are committed to a liberal view point and do not hold to the infallibility or inerrancy of the Bible.
This is the ONLY WAY that Universalism can be propagated. !!!!!!
Again, make sure you all understand this fact right here...…….
When you adopt universalism you are denying the gospel. Then it makes no difference if Christ died for sin, we would do just fine with other religious systems without him. Their teaching is that Jesus only added another way to God equal to the many ways already there.
Those who accept what is also called the “Wider Mercy Doctrine” are ignoring the clear teaching of Jesus Christ who said to believe and follow Me. By accepting this they must also reject those who are true believers, that are His sheep who are led by the Shepherd who claim Jesus is the only way to know God.
The Universalist are people do not want to enter the fold by means of the door which is Christ, but want to allow for people to enter other ways (as if it is up to their broad minded view).
John 10:9-14 …….
“I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.”
Jesus himself said “if you enter ANY OTHER WAY you are a thief and a robber”.
He goes on to say “The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.”
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.”
“I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.”
Jesus does not accept any other way, in fact He makes this exclusive statement of Himself in John 14:6:...…….
“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”
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