Kentucky Supreme Court to hear case on Christian’s refusal to make LGBT pride shirts
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Makes you think how many city ordnances across the US violate the Constitutional rights of individuals.
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Remember that nothing keeps these Gay Pride people from making their own tee-shirts.
The question is, does a non-Christian have a right to force a Christian to speak against his will?
There is a bus line in NYC that refused to run pro-life ads from a Christian organization--the law clearly prohibits religious discrimination. Doesn't, then, the Christian organization have a right to force the bus line to run their ads?
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Moving there later this year.
Relationship situation changed so I no longer need a 5-bedroom home and I paid for it anyway so I'm getting the money back from the sale.
Looking forward to it!
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So this is objectively false.
The God of Christianity has been described in this way for over a millenium and a half:
"We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the only-begotten, begotten of the Father before all ages. Light of Light; true God of true God; begotten, not made; of one essence with the Father, by whom all things were made; who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven, and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became man. And He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered, and was buried. And the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures; and ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father; and He shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead; whose Kingdom shall have no end.
And [we believe] in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father; who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified; who spoke by the prophets. In one Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."
In contrast to this, Islam teaches that Jesus was never cruicified, that he was not God, and that God has no Son. In fact, that phrase - "God has no son" is on the Dome of the Rock:
- [4.171] O followers of the Book! do not exceed the limits in your religion, and do not speak (lies) against Allah, but (speak) the truth; the Messiah, Isa son of Marium is only an apostle of Allah and His Word which He communicated to Marium and a spirit from Him; believe therefore in Allah and His apostles, and say not, Three. Desist, it is better for you; Allah is only one God; far be It from His glory that He should have a son, whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth is His, and Allah is sufficient for a Protector.
As I said, the concept that Islam and Christianity worship the same deity is objectively false.
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This is the prelude to the Mark of the Beast, where no one can buy or sell unless they bear it. Homosexuality came about because mankind rebelled against the God that they knew. Romans 1 traces this tragic decline. Now that the Western world has thrown off any pretence of being Christian, no one should be surprised if homosexuals are flaunting their rebellion and trying to force acceptance of what is patently ungodly. The world system is controlled by the evil one. The Church has become so insipid that there is nowhere near enough spiritual warfare happening. So we suffer as a result. Homosexuality has become a "stronghold" that Satan uses to attack Christians. Wake up, Church, before it is to late.
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I had a gay friend. He got saved, married, children, backslid, went back to his old ways, died of AIDS. God did not kill him. God has a reason for His moral codes. It is for the best good of mankind. Homosexuality strikes at the very root of God's creation of the human race, that is why it is an abomination. It is simply total rebellion against God and His ways. Jesus died to save us from sin, not to allow us to live in it without guilt. No, gay bashing is not right. But neither is patting them on the head and saying it's all ok.
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That"same God" stuff is a myth. Why would the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ command His followers to kill Christians and Jews? "Allahu Akbar" is often shouted by terrorists intent on murdering anyone not Muslim. Not all Muslims are violent. However, it is written in the Koran that Jews and Christians are open season. In Muslim societies where non-Muslims are tolerated, they are mostly treated with disdain and as second class citizens. Ask the Christians in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc. how wonderful a god Allah is. No, we do not worship the same God. Allah is just another name for Satan.
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Suppose they tell him that must print those shirts or face the consequences, that he must compromise on his religious, moral and/or spiritual beliefs or, well, "face the consequences"...?
Where does it stop and where does it end, for this is the start of it...
I fear where it will not stop and will not end... for in that day, Christians are going to have critical hard choices and very difficult decisions to make... and increasingly difficult choices and decisions to make that are only just now starting and beginning right now, but will get and become much, much worse in the future...
The Bible says it will happen, so why are we so surprised...?
God Bless!
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Where does "you will compromise on your moral and spiritual beliefs, especially in they are (based on) Christian (moral and spiritual) beliefs, or you must face (or pay) (the) consequences" (or punishment) "end"...?
And how does it "begin", if not this or things like these...?
And "who is being discriminated against" again...?
And "what constitutional or moral right is being violated" again...?
The one about religious freedom and liberties maybe, most especially if they are Christian maybe...?
This is only the beginning...
God Bless!
And how does it "begin", if not this or things like these...?
And "who is being discriminated against" again...?
And "what constitutional or moral right is being violated" again...?
The one about religious freedom and liberties maybe, most especially if they are Christian maybe...?
This is only the beginning...
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It's very sad that they don't seem to see, (or maybe they do and just don't care), (or maybe they are already against us as well now maybe)...? Anyway, It's very sad to see, that they or many just don't seem to see, that this is about way, way, much "more" than just plain and simple wedding cakes or T-shirts...
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He should be concerned. The shirts might be for a child's school project.
The child might be his pastors kid or might be his sisters kid or it might
be his own kid's shirt request. Or from his grandmother. They all have
the right not to be discriminated against by businesses.
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Wedding cakes are artistically designed and hand formed.
T-Shirts do not require personal artistic effort on the subject matter
so T-Shirt manufacture is not a special case for allowing illegal
discrimination by businesses.
Like if a muslim run company refused all christian customers.
Or refused to hook up internet to christian homes.
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T-shirt designs are art imprinted on a shirt. People wear slogan T-shirts usually to spread a message or a cause they believe in. For the people who want this pride shirt made, purposely selecting a Christian company to try to force into doing it, that's obviously targeted. They are asking him to create the product they are wanting to endorse, involving him in something he's against. This guy sounds like he runs a small business, it's not a large, generic T-shirt company, it's advertised as Christian and even had that in the title. He wants to make Christian related T-shirts, that is said from the start, and that is why they are selecting him.
Cable companies hooking up wiring for internet is religious-neutral and isn't any comparison.
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Not the same God at all, they dont worship Jesus Christ who is God come in the flesh.
It is a common misconception that other religions worship the same god as another religion.
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Any T-shirt company should be able to select what it will or will not print out or put out, as a product that they will sell, even if that persons religious, moral, or "whatever", his or hers views are that are involved, are involved, period, for any reason...
Or should he be forced to print out "any kind of shirt" or whatever on "any kind of customer request" or he is discriminating against them if he or his company won't...?
And this is a "Christian" company or business involved in "Christian" products, that reflect "Christian" views, and he's made that abundantly obvious and clear, and to force him to make gay shirts or whatever, or he will have to pay or suffer consequences for it if he doesn't or they in his company do not or won't or will not, is just ridiculous and is the beginning of something else entirely... And I think they know it/that, all to well... the gay, and gay pride people, etc...
And why are they targeting him specifically, if only because he is a Christian, and "just because they can" basically, would be my guess, and you don't expect them to eventually try for more, and then a little more, and then even more, then some more, then way, way more, in time...?
Don't delude yourself, this is not about wedding cakes or T-shirts at all...
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I have a friend who prints out hats, and He's got some really strange ones, as he's kind of an odd friend of mine, one I can recall is "first cousins should be legal", hat, etc...
Now if a Christian company refused to print those out, is that discrimination...? And if not, then tell me how it is any different...? And what if were something, or "some things" that are/were even worse, would that be discrimination if it was refused...?
God Bless!
Now if a Christian company refused to print those out, is that discrimination...? And if not, then tell me how it is any different...? And what if were something, or "some things" that are/were even worse, would that be discrimination if it was refused...?
God Bless!
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