Some thoughts on the Sabbath

LightLoveHope said:

We do not know what Jesus wrote, so saying it is in the Ark is just a projection.
Moses was given the 10 commandments and placed in the ark. So whatever you
are saying the Ark holds all of Moses influence. Jesus if referring to this, is referring
to things affected by Moses. I therefore do not understand the difference applied in
your thinking.

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the 10 vs the oral law

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

the 10 vs the oral law

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I can see some of your ideas, but in the end you have a problem.
Jesus preached the Holy Spirit would teach us. What He has taught me is I am
not bound to the sabbath but to love and care for others.

There is great simplicity in the purification of the heart, and seeing the balance
of Gods will in our lives, but it is still there.

And I share this interpretation with the elect across all denominations.
Many have observed a day of rest, especially when work was all physical,
but since the modern age of sitting at desks, it is more about information
that actual physical exercise, so the difference is now minimal between days.

As soon as you realise the sabbath rest is 7 days a week, things take a different
perspective. God bless you

LightLoveHope said:

I can see some of your ideas, but in the end you have a problem.
Jesus preached the Holy Spirit would teach us. What He has taught me is I am
not bound to the sabbath but to love and care for others.

There is great simplicity in the purification of the heart, and seeing the balance
of Gods will in our lives, but it is still there.

And I share this interpretation with the elect across all denominations.
Many have observed a day of rest, especially when work was all physical,
but since the modern age of sitting at desks, it is more about information
that actual physical exercise, so the difference is now minimal between days.

As soon as you realise the sabbath rest is 7 days a week, things take a different
perspective. God bless you

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I was just answering the question you posted for the other poster. However, no other day of the week was made holy and sanctified by God but the Sabbath day. Do you think the Spirit teaches something different? To love your neighbor is Torah...

Willie T said:

We are each free to interpret for ourselves. I think that is one of the things Protestantism is all about. (I also read that verse more like you do.)

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Personally, I believe there is only one interpretation, and that is what was inspired by God to mean. As far as the apostles keeping the Sabbath, they went to the synagogue on the Sabbath to preach the gospel because that is where the people gathered.

CharismaticLady said:

As far as the apostles keeping the Sabbath, they went to the synagogue on the Sabbath to preach the gospel because that is where the people gathered.

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Yes, Jews, including the Apostles, gathered in the Synagogues on Shabbat...

Willie T said:

Upon looking for someplace to post this where the people Jesus actually came for (non-Christians) could also comment, I was a bit surprised to see how many forums they are excluded from.... kind of like the way we operate our churches. So, I selected this one since the name of the room sounds like where Jesus might choose to post. I know it will do little good to ask, but could you Mods leave it here?

(BTW, this is mostly taken from a book no one here will probably ever read. It's an expository on the Law.)

Now to examine the sabbath laws more specifically, it is at once apparent that, while the principle of the sabbath remains basic to biblical law, the specific form of sabbath observance changed radically in terms of the new covenant in Christ.


First, the sabbath in the Old Testament law was not primarily a day of worship but a day of rest. The pattern of weekly worship did not exist in the Old Testament law. The synagogue introduced it in the intertestamental period, and the New Testament clearly practiced it and urged it (Heb. 10:25). In the Old Testament, worship was family-centered, and woven into the fabric of daily life. It should still be so embedded in the common life of man, but there is now also the duty of corporate worship. This corporate worship cannot, however, be confused or equated with rest, although the two are closely associated. Rest has reference here to the soteriological reality, to the fact of redemption, liberation, and wholeness of life. Rest here means confidence in God’s work, so that we cease from our own labors in symbolic representation of our total confidence in God’s accomplishment. The manna in the wilderness set forth God’s rest, and the order to observe the sabbath with confidence in the sufficiency of manna reinforced this fact of God’s provision. When such a God works, man can and must rest (Ex. 16:14-36).


Second, severe laws enforced the sabbath rest. It was not worship which the laws demanded, but rest. The general law was that no work should be done on the sabbath (Ex. 20:8-11; 34:21; Lev. 23:3; Deut. 5:12-15; Jer. 17:22). “The gates should be shut” (Neh. 13:19). “Abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day” (Ex. 16:29). Asses should not be laden (Neh. 13:15), nor burdens borne (Jer. 17:21-22), nor fires kindled (Ex. 35:3), nor sheaves brought in (Neh. 13:15), nor sticks gathered (Num. 15:32-35), nor victuals or wares bought (Neh. 10:31) or sold (Neh. 13:15), nor wine treaded in the presses (Neh. 13:15).

Life, however, could be saved on the sabbath (Mark 3:4; Luke 6:9), since redemption is the essence of the sabbath. This can mean healing the sick (Matt. 12:10-13; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:8-10; 13:14-16; 14:3-4; John 7:23), or rescuing an animal that has fallen into a pit (Matt. 12:11; Luke 14:5). Since hunger alleviated is a part of redemption, it is proper for one who is hungry to “pluck and eat corn” on the sabbath (Matt. 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-28; Luke 6:1-5), and the same is true of thirst, so that a thirsty animal can be taken to water in fulfilment of the sabbath (Luke 13:15). Since redemption means defeating God’s enemies, the Maccabees finally came to the logical conclusion that it was in conformity with the sabbath to resist attacks by the enemy (1 Macc. 2:41 ). 215 These laws make it clear that the essence of the sabbath is the victory of redemption rest. Mary’s Magnificat, because it celebrates the redemption through the Messiah, is a sabbath song in essence, and it properly forms a part of sabbath worship:


(The Magnificat is a canticle, also known as the Song of Mary, the Canticle of Mary and, in the Byzantine tradition, the Ode of the Theotokos. It is traditionally incorporated into the liturgical services of the Catholic Church and of the Eastern Orthodox churches. It is one of the eight most ancient Christian hymns and perhaps the earliest Marian hymn. Its name comes from the incipit of the Latin version of the canticle's text.) This is my addition. It is not found in the book.


"My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Savior. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall called me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away. He hath helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy; As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed forever." (Luke 1:46-55)

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Hebrews 13:8

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Colossians 1:16

For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.

Luke 13:10

Now he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the Sabbath.

Mark 2:28 - Jesus speaking

So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.

1 Peter 21

To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

Jesus kept the Sabbath ... even in His death ... He rested in the tomb. That wasn't coincidence.

There will be Sabbath kept on the new earth.

Isaiah 66

22“For just as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, will endure before Me,” declares the LORD, “so your descendants and your name will endure. 23 From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.

Nope ... Jesus does not change.

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Yes, Jews, including the Apostles, gathered in the Synagogues on Shabbat...

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Of course. Why would they go there on Sunday and speak to an empty building?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I was just answering the question you posted for the other poster. However, no other day of the week was made holy and sanctified by God but the Sabbath day. Do you think the Spirit teaches something different? To love your neighbor is Torah...

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Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. Paul showed this means no celebration is binding on us, it was the shadow of our walking in Him. So that is my position. I know many who seem to want to follow the sabbath idea but not the letter of the law, but to follow it, no heating, no work, no cooking etc. Most believers have sunday as a special day of worship but not rest in the Torah way. God bless you

CharismaticLady said:

Of course. Why would they go there on Sunday and speak to an empty building?

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Exactly...

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

I was just answering the question you posted for the other poster. However, no other day of the week was made holy and sanctified by God but the Sabbath day. Do you think the Spirit teaches something different? To love your neighbor is Torah...

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Sounds like you are a Jew and then a christian.
The apostles followed Gods leading in saying gentiles are brought into the Kingdom, and are not under the Mosaic law, but the moral law of Christ.

The emphasis is the law written in our hearts and minds. No more do people need to teach what is the law, we know it.

If you wish to return to justification through the law, then you leave Jesus behind.
As to a romantic view of we are the faithful because we follow these ordinances, you would need to reestablish the temple etc. which is absurd considering who Jesus is and He is the atoning sacrifice which fulfils all that the temple meant, and made us the Holy Temple of God. Amen

LightLoveHope said:

Sounds like you are a Jew and then a christian.
The apostles followed Gods leading in saying gentiles are brought into the Kingdom, and are not under the Mosaic law, but the moral law of Christ.

The emphasis is the law written in our hearts and minds. No more do people need to teach what is the law, we know it.

If you wish to return to justification through the law, then you leave Jesus behind.
As to a romantic view of we are the faithful because we follow these ordinances, you would need to reestablish the temple etc. which is absurd considering who Jesus is and He is the atoning sacrifice which fulfils all that the temple meant, and made us the Holy Temple of God. Amen

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The moral law of Yeshua IS Torah...
If you knew it like you say, you would not be arguing with me. As for your last paragraph, the key word is "justification"...